Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
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Jim Quinn (quinnje.1)
Jun 4, 2015, 11:47:57 AM6/4/15
to Peter Klosky, pedalers
Riders can write phone numbers on their cues if they wish.
Ride leader phone numbers are often listed in the schedule.
Participants need to take a little more initiative. The silver spoon
is tarnished!
My printer is out of ink. Others have already printed some of both
cue options.
From: Peter Klosky
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:22 AM
To: rberns...@yahoo.com ; Rudi Riet
Cc: Carol Linden ; Linda Kolko ; Jim Quinn ; Monique Sears
; Ed
Hazelwood ; lauraw...@gmail.com ; Matt
birnbaum ; Bob
Manka ; Martine Palmiter ; karen
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Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of
5/25/2015
Bob,
The T-Mobile map is
below. The areas in white, 50 miles to the West, are the ones that
T-Mobile marks as "no coverage."
Peter
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Cc: Carol Linden <cdli...@hotmail.com>; Linda Kolko <127l...@gmail.com>; Jim Quinn <quin...@gmail.com>; Monique Sears <moniqu...@rcn.com>; Ed Hazelwood <eehaz...@comcast.net>; "lauraw...@gmail.com" <lauraw...@gmail.com>; Matt birnbaum <noshb...@comcast.net>; Bob Manka <x3b...@gmail.com>; Martine Palmiter <mpal...@gmail.com>; karen Berlage <karenb...@verizon.net>; Eric Pilsk <epi...@gmail.com>; Nancy Avitabile <nan...@mindspring.com>; "dean...@hotmail.com" <dean...@hotmail.com>; Teresa Brooks <tacb...@cox.net>; Dan Lehman <ride...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
Peter,
Do not assume that all riders or ride leaders have Verizon. For instance, I have T-Mobile and would be willing to bet my cell coverage will be next to nil.
Bob B.
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From: "Peter Klosky" <peter...@yahoo.com>
To: "Rudi Riet" <rdr...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Carol L." <cdli...@hotmail.com>, "Linda Kolko" <127l...@gmail.com>, "Jim Quinn" <quin...@gmail.com>, "Monique Sears" <moniqu...@rcn.com>, "Ed Hazelwood" <eehaz...@comcast.net>, "lauraw...@gmail.com" <lauraw...@gmail.com>, "Bob Bernstein" <rberns...@yahoo.com>, "Matt birnbaum" <noshb...@comcast.net>, "Bob Manka" <x3b...@gmail.com>, "Martine Palmiter" <mpal...@gmail.com>, "karen Berlage" <karenb...@verizon.net>, "Eric Pilsk" <epi...@gmail.com>, "Nancy Avitabile" <nan...@mindspring.com>, "dean...@hotmail.com" <dean...@hotmail.com>, "Teresa Brooks" <tacb...@cox.net>, "Dan Lehman" <ride...@yahoo.com>
Subject: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
Date: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 10:52
Yes, there are rural areas that have limited cell coverage. To our good fortune, it does not look like the BRC area is one of them. The coverage maps from Verizon are fairly accurate, in my experience, and they show coverage for our area, based on my reading. Again, this will be something we can check as we go.
I'm no actuary, but the basic math is that 2000 folks riding 50 to 100 miles in a day means somewhere between 100K and 200K miles of riding on the day of the BRC. Given this number of miles, the odds that someone will crash on the BRC are high. In the past, our club has even set up first aid stations. For whatever reason, I don't think we do that any more.
Adding a ride leader cell number to the cue has been a help, as recently as this season. After a crash, the ride leader is often in a good position to help out with getting the person's bike and car to the ER. In addition to being a cue sheet service, our club is also our support group.
From: Rudi Riet <rdr...@gmail.com>
To: Peter Klosky <peter...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Carol L. <cdli...@hotmail.com>; Linda Kolko <127l...@gmail.com>; Jim Quinn <quin...@gmail.com>; Monique Sears <moniqu...@rcn.com>; Ed Hazelwood <eehaz...@comcast.net>; "lauraw...@gmail.com" <lauraw...@gmail.com>; Bob Bernstein <rberns...@yahoo.com>; Matt birnbaum <noshb...@comcast.net>; Bob Manka <x3b...@gmail.com>; Martine Palmiter <mpal...@gmail.com>; karen Berlage <karenb...@verizon.net>; Eric Pilsk <epi...@gmail.com>; Nancy Avitabile <nan...@mindspring.com>; "dean...@hotmail.com" <dean...@hotmail.com>; Teresa Brooks <tacb...@cox.net>; Dan Lehman <ride...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
While I think it's a great idea to have the ride leader's number printed on the cue sheet, realize that it won't always be useful. In more rural areas, cell phones can be close to useless.
www.randomduck.com
On 4 June 2015 at 09:52, Peter Klosky <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Also, please consider noting a ride leader cell number on the cues. Can come in handy if someone crashes.
From: Carol L. <cdli...@hotmail.com>
To: Linda Kolko <127l...@gmail.com>; Jim Quinn <quin...@gmail.com>; Monique Sears <moniqu...@rcn.com>; 'Ed Hazelwood' <eehaz...@comcast.net>; 'Peter Klosky' <peter...@yahoo.com>; "lauraw...@gmail.com" <lauraw...@gmail.com>; Bob Bernstein <rberns...@yahoo.com>; Matt birnbaum <noshb...@comcast.net>
Cc: Bob Manka <x3b...@gmail.com>; Martine Palmiter <mpal...@gmail.com>; karen Berlage <karenb...@verizon.net>; Eric Pilsk <epi...@gmail.com>; Rudi Riet <rdr...@gmail.com>; Nancy Avitabile <nan...@mindspring.com>; "dean...@hotmail.com" <dean...@hotmail.com>; 'Teresa Brooks' <tacb...@cox.net>; Dan Lehman <ride...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
I will print a bunch of the longer cues....assuming the printer cooperates. Carol
From: 127l...@gmail.com
To: quin...@gmail.com; moniqu...@rcn.com; eehaz...@comcast.net; peter...@yahoo.com; lauraw...@gmail.com; rberns...@yahoo.com; noshb...@comcast.net
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Subject: RE: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 21:12:42 -0400
Jim: I will print 30 copies of the 50.5 mile ride, giving me 60 cue sheets. I can’t imagine we need more than that, do you? I’ll print them out on Saturday in case there are any changes. I have one quick question on the bottom of the first page of the 50.5 mile cue sheet: Is the 1.0 Mile, 148 ft. Alternate Version a steeper hill? If it’s an easier hill, then I’ll test it out for you! It is going to be an adventure on Sunday! Linda Borst Kolko117 Sherman AveTakoma Park, MD 20912H-301-270-5680C-...@gmail.com "Begin to look less at yourself and more at others. Being of service is a gift you can give yourself." Sargent Shriver From: Jim Quinn (quinnje.1) [mailto:quin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:00 PM
To: Monique Sears; Ed Hazelwood; Peter Klosky; Linda Kolko; lauraw...@gmail.com; Bob Bernstein; Matt Birnbaum
Cc: Bob Manka; Martine Palmiter; Carol Linden; Karen Berlage; Eric Pilsk; Rudi Riet; Nancy Avitabile; dean...@hotmail.com; Teresa Brooks; Dan Lehman
Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015 Ride leaders (To addressees),(FYI - other BRC leaders, coordinators, and interested parties) The route maps and cue sheets for the BRC Preview Ride from Shepherdstown WV at 10 AM on Sunday June 7, 2015 are complete. 50.5 : http://ridewithgps.com/routes/786960966.5 : http://ridewithgps.com/routes/8187061 The PDF files of the cue sheets for a 50.4 and 66.5 mile ride are attached. The 50 mile route shows a variation that adds 1 mile and 148 ft (hopefully not all in the same mile!). Check the map and cue sheet. I’m tired of looking at them and another set of eyes would be nice. If anyone would like to volunteer to print some, let me know. Each PDF file is 2 pages (DUPLEX printed front and back) and produces 2 cues (left and right side) per page and requires cutting down the middle. My ink gave out printing Saturday’s ride and 2 Costco refills both failed to print. Pre-ride rest rooms are available in Shepherdstown at the following places: Sheetz - 8332 Martinsburg Pike Follow WV-230 (German St.) north through town, cross WV-480, continue on WV-45 for .3 mi to Sheetz on left. Shepherdstown Sweet Shop Bakery - 100 W German StFollow WV-230 (German St.) north for 1 block north of Princess St. Happy Creek Coffee & Tea is around the corner from the bakery at 104 S King St. There are several eating places across the street from the bakery in the same block.I think it was Mellow Moods that had the good sandwiches and berry drinks. The Blue Moon Café is across from parking on Princess and High St but may not be open at 10 AM. They do have BEER and good sandwiches. -------------------------------------------------------------- This 50 mile route starts south along the river and turns west to cross over towards WV-9.The crossing of WV-9 on WV-480 / Leetown Pike differs from an option that I rode with friends about 3 weeks ago. This route is more scenic but this section crossing WV-9 needs to be checked for traffic. Our ride will probably start about 1 or more hours later than the BRC ride but we will still get through this area before 11 AM. I have biked this section but in reverse and mid afternoon on a weekday. I have biked most of the remainder of the route and have driven the roads several times during route planning. 50 mile rest stops are at mile 19.8 at Sheetz (rest rooms) and at mile 37.4 at Bedington Cross Roads Convenience Store (rest rooms out of service). There is a Sheetz about 1.3 miles off course north on WV-901 / US-11 with rest rooms that can be reached by turning from Nipetown Rd left onto T J Jackson Dr just before going under I-81 and then turning right on 901. I’m not sure how safe US-11 would be to return to Bedington Rd. -------------------------------------------------------------- Our BRC metric options may be around 62 miles or 65 miles. It will start like the century and follow the river farther south than the 50 mile route before turning west to cross over towards WV-9 one interchange south of the interchange our 50 mile route is using. The shortest option that can start on the river and use this WV-9 crossing is 55 miles and probably too long for our half century BRC ride. We will do a 66.5 mile ride so that we can observe the most of the same roads that the century and 75 mile rides will use to cross WV-9, pass through the congested Inwood WV area, and cross I-81 into the valley farther south than the 50 mile routes. If we choose the shorter metric option, it will curve north and join the 50 mile route near the Martinsburg airport before crossing I-81. 66.5 mile rest stops are at mile 28.1 at Sheetz (rest rooms) and at mile 55.6 at Bedington Cross Roads Convenience Store (rest rooms out of service). There is a Sheetz about 1.3 miles off course north on WV-901 / US-11 with rest rooms that can be reached by turning from Nipetown Rd left onto T J Jackson Dr just before going under I-81 and then turning right on 901. I’m not sure how safe US-11 would be to return to Bedington Rd. From: Jim Quinn (quinnje.1) Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:31 PMTo: Bob Manka ; Monique Sears ; Ed Hazelwood ; Peter Klosky ; Linda Kolko ; Martine Palmiter Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015 I am sending this email to those of you who are involved in the BRC, the June 7 or 21 BRC Preview Rides, or those who have expressed interest or offered assistance regarding the routes. See email below for information about seeing the route maps.
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Do not assume that all riders or ride leaders have Verizon. For instance, I have T-Mobile and would be willing to bet my cell coverage will be next to nil.
Bob B.
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From: "Peter Klosky" <peter...@yahoo.com>
To: "Rudi Riet" <rdr...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Carol L." <cdli...@hotmail.com>, "Linda Kolko" <127l...@gmail.com>, "Jim Quinn" <quin...@gmail.com>, "Monique Sears" <moniqu...@rcn.com>, "Ed Hazelwood" <eehaz...@comcast.net>, "lauraw...@gmail.com" <lauraw...@gmail.com>, "Bob Bernstein" <rberns...@yahoo.com>, "Matt birnbaum" <noshb...@comcast.net>, "Bob Manka" <x3b...@gmail.com>, "Martine Palmiter" <mpal...@gmail.com>, "karen Berlage" <karenb...@verizon.net>, "Eric Pilsk" <epi...@gmail.com>, "Nancy Avitabile" <nan...@mindspring.com>, "dean...@hotmail.com" <dean...@hotmail.com>, "Teresa Brooks" <tacb...@cox.net>, "Dan Lehman" <ride...@yahoo.com>
Subject: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
Date: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 10:52
Yes, there are rural areas that have limited cell coverage. To our good fortune, it does not look like the BRC area is one of them. The coverage maps from Verizon are fairly accurate, in my experience, and they show coverage for our area, based on my reading. Again, this will be something we can check as we go.
I'm no actuary, but the basic math is that 2000 folks riding 50 to 100 miles in a day means somewhere between 100K and 200K miles of riding on the day of the BRC. Given this number of miles, the odds that someone will crash on the BRC are high. In the past, our club has even set up first aid stations. For whatever reason, I don't think we do that any more.
Adding a ride leader cell number to the cue has been a help, as recently as this season. After a crash, the ride leader is often in a good position to help out with getting the person's bike and car to the ER. In addition to being a cue sheet service, our club is also our support group.
From: Rudi Riet <rdr...@gmail.com>
To: Peter Klosky <peter...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Carol L. <cdli...@hotmail.com>; Linda Kolko <127l...@gmail.com>; Jim Quinn <quin...@gmail.com>; Monique Sears <moniqu...@rcn.com>; Ed Hazelwood <eehaz...@comcast.net>; "lauraw...@gmail.com" <lauraw...@gmail.com>; Bob Bernstein <rberns...@yahoo.com>; Matt birnbaum <noshb...@comcast.net>; Bob Manka <x3b...@gmail.com>; Martine Palmiter <mpal...@gmail.com>; karen Berlage <karenb...@verizon.net>; Eric Pilsk <epi...@gmail.com>; Nancy Avitabile <nan...@mindspring.com>; "dean...@hotmail.com" <dean...@hotmail.com>; Teresa Brooks <tacb...@cox.net>; Dan Lehman <ride...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
While I think it's a great idea to have the ride leader's number printed on the cue sheet, realize that it won't always be useful. In more rural areas, cell phones can be close to useless.
www.randomduck.com
On 4 June 2015 at 09:52, Peter Klosky <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Also, please consider noting a ride leader cell number on the cues. Can come in handy if someone crashes.
From: Carol L. <cdli...@hotmail.com>
To: Linda Kolko <127l...@gmail.com>; Jim Quinn <quin...@gmail.com>; Monique Sears <moniqu...@rcn.com>; 'Ed Hazelwood' <eehaz...@comcast.net>; 'Peter Klosky' <peter...@yahoo.com>; "lauraw...@gmail.com" <lauraw...@gmail.com>; Bob Bernstein <rberns...@yahoo.com>; Matt birnbaum <noshb...@comcast.net>
Cc: Bob Manka <x3b...@gmail.com>; Martine Palmiter <mpal...@gmail.com>; karen Berlage <karenb...@verizon.net>; Eric Pilsk <epi...@gmail.com>; Rudi Riet <rdr...@gmail.com>; Nancy Avitabile <nan...@mindspring.com>; "dean...@hotmail.com" <dean...@hotmail.com>; 'Teresa Brooks' <tacb...@cox.net>; Dan Lehman <ride...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
I will print a bunch of the longer cues....assuming the printer cooperates. Carol
From: 127l...@gmail.com
To: quin...@gmail.com; moniqu...@rcn.com; eehaz...@comcast.net; peter...@yahoo.com; lauraw...@gmail.com; rberns...@yahoo.com; noshb...@comcast.net
CC: x3b...@gmail.com; mpal...@gmail.com; cdli...@hotmail.com; karenb...@verizon.net; epi...@gmail.com; rdr...@gmail.com; nan...@mindspring.com; dean...@hotmail.com; tacb...@cox.net; ride...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 21:12:42 -0400
Jim: I will print 30 copies of the 50.5 mile ride, giving me 60 cue sheets. I can’t imagine we need more than that, do you? I’ll print them out on Saturday in case there are any changes. I have one quick question on the bottom of the first page of the 50.5 mile cue sheet: Is the 1.0 Mile, 148 ft. Alternate Version a steeper hill? If it’s an easier hill, then I’ll test it out for you! It is going to be an adventure on Sunday! Linda Borst Kolko117 Sherman AveTakoma Park, MD 20912H-301-270-5680C-...@gmail.com "Begin to look less at yourself and more at others. Being of service is a gift you can give yourself." Sargent Shriver From: Jim Quinn (quinnje.1) [mailto:quin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:00 PM
To: Monique Sears; Ed Hazelwood; Peter Klosky; Linda Kolko; lauraw...@gmail.com; Bob Bernstein; Matt Birnbaum
Cc: Bob Manka; Martine Palmiter; Carol Linden; Karen Berlage; Eric Pilsk; Rudi Riet; Nancy Avitabile; dean...@hotmail.com; Teresa Brooks; Dan Lehman
Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015 Ride leaders (To addressees),(FYI - other BRC leaders, coordinators, and interested parties) The route maps and cue sheets for the BRC Preview Ride from Shepherdstown WV at 10 AM on Sunday June 7, 2015 are complete. 50.5 : http://ridewithgps.com/routes/786960966.5 : http://ridewithgps.com/routes/8187061 The PDF files of the cue sheets for a 50.4 and 66.5 mile ride are attached. The 50 mile route shows a variation that adds 1 mile and 148 ft (hopefully not all in the same mile!). Check the map and cue sheet. I’m tired of looking at them and another set of eyes would be nice. If anyone would like to volunteer to print some, let me know. Each PDF file is 2 pages (DUPLEX printed front and back) and produces 2 cues (left and right side) per page and requires cutting down the middle. My ink gave out printing Saturday’s ride and 2 Costco refills both failed to print. Pre-ride rest rooms are available in Shepherdstown at the following places: Sheetz - 8332 Martinsburg Pike Follow WV-230 (German St.) north through town, cross WV-480, continue on WV-45 for .3 mi to Sheetz on left. Shepherdstown Sweet Shop Bakery - 100 W German StFollow WV-230 (German St.) north for 1 block north of Princess St. Happy Creek Coffee & Tea is around the corner from the bakery at 104 S King St. There are several eating places across the street from the bakery in the same block.I think it was Mellow Moods that had the good sandwiches and berry drinks. The Blue Moon Café is across from parking on Princess and High St but may not be open at 10 AM. They do have BEER and good sandwiches. -------------------------------------------------------------- This 50 mile route starts south along the river and turns west to cross over towards WV-9.The crossing of WV-9 on WV-480 / Leetown Pike differs from an option that I rode with friends about 3 weeks ago. This route is more scenic but this section crossing WV-9 needs to be checked for traffic. Our ride will probably start about 1 or more hours later than the BRC ride but we will still get through this area before 11 AM. I have biked this section but in reverse and mid afternoon on a weekday. I have biked most of the remainder of the route and have driven the roads several times during route planning. 50 mile rest stops are at mile 19.8 at Sheetz (rest rooms) and at mile 37.4 at Bedington Cross Roads Convenience Store (rest rooms out of service). There is a Sheetz about 1.3 miles off course north on WV-901 / US-11 with rest rooms that can be reached by turning from Nipetown Rd left onto T J Jackson Dr just before going under I-81 and then turning right on 901. I’m not sure how safe US-11 would be to return to Bedington Rd. -------------------------------------------------------------- Our BRC metric options may be around 62 miles or 65 miles. It will start like the century and follow the river farther south than the 50 mile route before turning west to cross over towards WV-9 one interchange south of the interchange our 50 mile route is using. The shortest option that can start on the river and use this WV-9 crossing is 55 miles and probably too long for our half century BRC ride. We will do a 66.5 mile ride so that we can observe the most of the same roads that the century and 75 mile rides will use to cross WV-9, pass through the congested Inwood WV area, and cross I-81 into the valley farther south than the 50 mile routes. If we choose the shorter metric option, it will curve north and join the 50 mile route near the Martinsburg airport before crossing I-81. 66.5 mile rest stops are at mile 28.1 at Sheetz (rest rooms) and at mile 55.6 at Bedington Cross Roads Convenience Store (rest rooms out of service). There is a Sheetz about 1.3 miles off course north on WV-901 / US-11 with rest rooms that can be reached by turning from Nipetown Rd left onto T J Jackson Dr just before going under I-81 and then turning right on 901. I’m not sure how safe US-11 would be to return to Bedington Rd. From: Jim Quinn (quinnje.1) Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:31 PMTo: Bob Manka ; Monique Sears ; Ed Hazelwood ; Peter Klosky ; Linda Kolko ; Martine Palmiter Subject: Re: BRC Routes for final selection as of 5/25/2015 I am sending this email to those of you who are involved in the BRC, the June 7 or 21 BRC Preview Rides, or those who have expressed interest or offered assistance regarding the routes. See email below for information about seeing the route maps.
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