Sailrite is having a sale on kits

[Jeff Griglack]

I want to share with the list that Sailrite is offering 15% on sail kits until August 25.  If you have thought about sewing your own sail (trust me, if I can do it, it's not that hard), these kits make it simple to do. 

I sewed my mainsail from a Sailrite kit, and my 140% Genoa from scratch.  While I really like the way the 140 sails, the kit makes things very easy, and the cost is about the same.

I am looking at making a new 120.  My old one is very old and blown out, and conditions are sometimes too heavy for the 140.  Since I wanted to do this anyway, the extra 15% off might just convince me to buy early, though I probably won't start sewing until November.

You will need a decent sewing machine that can handle a  couple of layers of 7 oz cloth, some time, and a little bit of space (though much less than if you need to lay out and cut the panels yourself).  Other than that, it's just a matter of following instructions.

Jeff

[Dave Cole]

 

What kind of sewing machine did you use? 

 

I always thought that a ZigZag machine was required. 

 

I have a heavy walking foot machine, but it is straight stitch only which is fine for covers and such. 

 

Did you use a hotknife to cut the fabric? 

 

I need to make a mainsail cover.

 

So many projects.... so little time.  :-)

 

Dave

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[Jeff Griglack]

I have a Morse walking foot machine that I bought on ebay. It is the same as Sailrite's Ultrafeed LSZ-1, which means that it does zig-zag and takes accessories that I have bought from Sailrite.  However, it was about 1/2 the cost.

A zig-zag machine is not necessary to make a sail.  You would just want to throw in another row of stitching.  Dick Usen has a nice, old, Singer industrial machine that only does straight stitch, and he made several sails on it.

I do not have a hot knife, though I have been known to run a hot soldering iron over a cut edge to seal it.  The dacron sail cloth does not fray easily anyway

I made a mainsail cover and tiller cover using the old mainsail cover as a model (though I modified some things).  I made new cushions twice, the second time using Sunbrella instead of cotton cloth.  This winter, I will replace at least one of my worn "jib ready" bags to store the (non-roller furler) jib on the fore stay.

I usually do these things in front of the tv.  It's downtime anyway, and gives me something to do on a cold, winter evening.

Jeff

[Dave Cole]

Thanks for the info Jeff.   I've been reading too many zigzag sewing machine adds apparently.  ;-)

 

Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:35 PM
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Subject: RE: [pearson ] Sailrite is having a sale on kits

[Guy Johnson]

I made one of the Sailrite 'stack pack' sail covers for our 10M. It really makes sailing easier when all you have to do is drop the sail and zip up the cover. 

Guy

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Subject: RE: [pearson ] Sailrite is having a sale on kits
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:49:42 -0400

[Dave Cole]

I'll have to look at that.

 

Thanks for the tip.

 

Dave

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From: pearso...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pearso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guy Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:02 PM

[Robert Franklin]

Guy,

What happens to the forward part of the sail that is high up on the mast in the sail track.  I am not that familiar with the boom bagging idea.  Lately furling the sail and tieing it while balancing on the top of the cabin has become an experience seeking an alternative.

How do you attach the bottom of the bag to the boom and what makes is stand up, as I've seen in magazines.

I am sorry to bother you, I could probably just go right to Sail Rite's sight.  Just let me know and I'll do that.

RMF

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[Jeff Griglack]

Bob,

I was wondering the same thing, so i Googled 'pictures of stack pack'. It shows the lazy jack lines attached to the cover. This must be what holds the cover open so the sail just drops in.

Do you think I could do this with my older sail, or does the sail need to be new to use one of these?

Jeff

[Guy Johnson]

They cover has battens that run the length of the cover. The cover is taller in the front where the sail is high on the mast. 

The battens can be connected to lazy jacks to hold the cover up. I have lazy jacks but haven't connected the cover to them yet. 

My battens are PVC tubing as recommended by Sailrite, I suggest buying round fiberglass battens from your local sailmaker. the PVC isn't stiff enough in my opinion. 

Yes attaching the cover to the lazy jacks will help support the PVC battens. 

http://www.sailrite.com/200295_2_zoom.jpg

Guy

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:34:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [pearson ] Sailrite is having a sale on kits
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[Dave Cole]

Nice...

 

Dave

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From: pearso...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pearso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guy Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:44 PM

[Robert Franklin]

Jeff and all,

Interesting info.  My boat returned to me with a complex but well executed system of jack lines with fittings all over the boom and mast. I didn't like it.I removed everything, filled the holes and am much happier with the old fashioned slab reefing, and furling.  However, I have to admit I made that decision without ever trying the system.  There was just too much spaghetti for my taste.  The idea however of two free standing walls 12 inches high on both sides of the boom to act as a repository for the dropped sail is an appealing idea, albeit rather unpleasant to look at.  I guess the idea of jacklines in that situation is to guide the sail into "bag".   But then there is the issue of the gathered sail at the track on the mast? 

Sometimes the little effort involved in the old fashioned gather and tie method is better than the large effort to fashion a new system.  But, when I see some of the magazine photos, I, naturally, am curious.

I have considered a lot, but when its all ready for review, I miss my P30 with nothing much besides a couple tanks of water to be hand pumped to where I want and a tank of fuel.  Along with a depth sounder and log, and now GPS, what else could you want?

I have "stuff" all ready to go that just needs a wire connected here or there.  I removed most of the wiring 10 years ago to redo.  I've just put much off for the past 10 years because things like Solar Shower bags work so much better during the summer than hot/cold pressure water with the power draw.  Same for Adler/ Barbour refrig.  Ice instead of refrigeration, works OK.  And who really needs the ice unless you're a drinker, which I'm not. I'll get to it all these things eventually  because I am obsessive about having everything on board working, but a lot of time has passed without these amenities becoming necessities. 

If I were to do it over again, I go much more in the direction of simple.

Also, its partly my tame sailing.  If I were coming in every weekend from a cold northeaster, I might not want to stand in the cockpit under the cold Solar shower to rinse the salt.  But I've avoided one and thus the other.  Another thing is, I usually haul right after Labor Day, so my cruising period is July & August and little enough then, due to my own work requirements.

Then there is is issue of crew?  Sound familiar? I have a working wife, although she has an extensive sailing resume from her youth, that seems to have worked the attraction out of her system.  She'll go with me, but its always a second choice to something else. What kind of sailing can you do alone?  I like companionship, I have to admit. The idea of a girlfriend has passed my mind, but I don't have permission for that, yet.

So, you wait until everyone is retired and unless you are the miracle man, like Dick Usen, you spending more time gazing off into the distance than sailing.

What's the expression?  Youth is wasted on the young.

For any of our group with an enthusiastic sailing partner, be very grateful.

RMF

[Robert Franklin]

Guy,

Thanks for the photo.  Its worth the proverbial 1000 words.  Although the advantages for cruising are obvious, I don't think its for me.

One thing about the P36 and I think its the same for the 10M, the very short boom makes furling (and reefing) accessible from a reasonably secure location within a short distance.  I mean, not too much dancing around between the mast and the end of the boom.  Of course, I can see the risk, whenever you are out of the cockpit.

My motto is reef early, reef often.

RMF

[Jeff Griglack]

Bob,

If you really miss the P30, I can offer you a trade: my P30 for your P36. Mine comes complete with an ice box, no pressure water system, a sun shower, and new cushions.  The wiring is mostly original, so that should be redone, and the A4, rebuilt just recently, is not running (though that is probably because of the wiring).  All the lines come back to the cockpit, and it is set up to single hand.

I have always felt that you like a project, so it would be perfect for you.  :) :) :)

Jeff

[Dave Cole]

There is a lot to be said for "simple". 

 

Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 4:12 PM
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[Robert Franklin]

Jeff,

Your sense of humor is back.

Bob

[RICHARD USEN]

Bob, I removed a particularly nice Thurston cover because the workload of removing and replacing the cover after furling the sail was more than my 82 YO body could stand. If you haven’t used it, don’t knock it. My stackpack makes it possible for me to keep the boat for a few more years. The lazyjacks attach to the cover and both keep it open and support it. They’re essential.

 

Reefing: I reef from the cockpit using an ST 44 winch on top of the house. I trim the jib tight and pinch the course a bit and slack the main sheet and then drop the sail to the first reef points. Then I winch in the reefing line tight and then tighten the halyard and fall off the wind a bit, all w/o leaving the cockpit. Shaking it out is even easier. Miracle man or not, leaving the cockpit on a rough day is not for my wife and I.

 

The boat is rigged just the way it was when we bought it. I wouldn’t take credit for it or change a thing. I never have to leave the cockpit except when hoisting the main. There is a lot of friction on the halyard, so I sway the main as high as I can and stuff the halyard into a clam cleat on the mast, then go back to the cockpit and winch it up the last 4’ or so. I could winch it all the way from the cockpit but that’s too much work.

 

Come sail w/ us someday and see what you’re missing.  

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

From: pearso...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pearso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Franklin

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 4:01 PM
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[RICHARD USEN]

I stole some ideas from MackPack and made some adaptations. My pack is a combination of the two. I have a skirt around the mast that I partially unzip when I drop the sail and lazyjacks on the pack supporting the ¾” PVC tubes I added to Mack’s design. I find that the sail needs help flaking and the reef points have to be on the STBD side, so I need to get in to help it a bit.

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

[RICHARD USEN]

Come see mine in action.

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

From: pearso...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pearso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Griglack

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:35 PM
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[RICHARD USEN]

Come play w/ my sail and join the 21^st century…

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

From: pearso...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pearso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Franklin

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:27 PM
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[Jeff Griglack]

Dick,

I don't remember a stack pack in your boat.  I'll have to mooch another sail from you so I can see it.  Also, I'd like another look at your single line reefing system.

Jeff

[RICHARD USEN]

My machine does both straight and zig-zag stitching but I’ve made sails w/ my old straight stitch treadle machine. Cotton stretches and you’d want a ZZ for a cotton sail but when did you see one of those last?

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

[RICHARD USEN]

Bring Bob! Come any time.

[Guy Johnson]

Bob;

The real advantage of the stack pack cover is the time I save by not having to remove it or put it back on after sailing. 

I just zip it up along the boom and zip on the front piece that wraps around the mast, it's really fast and easy which means I'm more likely to go sailing. 

Jeff;

Yes the cover will work with any sail, I do think you'll need lazy jacks to use a cover like this. 

Guy

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:06:50 -0400

Subject: Re: [pearson ] Sailrite is having a sale on kits

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[RICHARD USEN]

More than that, I found that crawling around under the boom installing the cover was too strenuous after a long day sailing.

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

[Guy Johnson]

Hopefully I'll avoid that experience by switching covers before I needed to. 

:<)

Guy

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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:32:51 -0400

[RICHARD USEN]

One of the reasons I hesitated going bigger was that The P-30 was so easy for me to handle. I was afraid that a new boat would mean more cruising and less day sailing. That’s exactly what started to happen except that I found that the fatigue factor was curtailing all sailing.

 

Making a pack was better than selling the boat. The design is tricky. I had the advantage of a T-33 w/ a MackPack two boats away and my pack was a combination of the best qualities of the Sailrite design and Mack Sails. A friend saw mine and made one for his Nonsuch. He put his battens inside the pack to shed rain. Much better.

[Dave Cole]

Getting older forces compromises...  I can tell that and I am still a very young 56 (mentally near 25) !   ;-)

 

>>Making a pack was better than selling the boat.

 

An excellent compromise!

 

Dick, if you have a picture of your design, I'd really like to see it.

 

Dave

10M #26

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From: pearso...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pearso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD USEN
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:56 AM

[The Gruendels]

I like the way you think, Dick.  At 72 I’m finding sailing more arduous, and I appreciate your mentoring on being an aging sailor—but still a sailor.

 

Can you talk a bit more about how your pack is a “combination of the best qualities” of Sailrite and Mack?  Also, I’m not sure I know what you mean by “He put his battens inside the pack to shed rain.”  Do you mean the pvc pipe?

 

Dave

P27 “Callisto”

Lake Francis Case, SD

 

From: RICHARD USEN

Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:56 AM

To: pearso...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [pearson ] Sailrite is having a sale on kits

 

One of the reasons I hesitated going bigger was that The P-30 was so easy for me to handle. I was afraid that a new boat would mean more cruising and less day sailing. That’s exactly what started to happen except that I found that the fatigue factor was curtailing all sailing.

[RICHARD USEN]

There are some differences between the Mack and Sailrite packs. Sailrite has two PVC pipes secured to the pack about 6” outside the top zipper. This creates a 12” wide tray w/ a zipper dead center, which of course dumps rainwater into the sail. My friend Earle put these pipes inside the pack to eliminate the ‘tray’ and drainage. This is a great idea. Mack secures the pack to the mast w/ turnbutton fasteners. Sailrite has a wraparound skirt that zips to the pack. The zippers allow you to flake the luf neatly and start w/ the first reef flake on the correct side for single line reefing (on the port side on our boat). Mack has some fullness designed into the pack to allow room for the flakes, Sailrite doesn’t. Sailrite has two lengths of PVC pipe, Mack doesn’t. My pack hangs from two cleats on the mast. I don’t think either of the others do. My zipper has a pull lanyard on an endless loop hung on the mast on one end and a SS riser bracket on the end of the boom, purchased from Mack Sails.

 

Check the Mack Sails and Sailrite web sites. These things are rather sophisticated and subtle differences exist. Study them carefully. And, more important, measure, measure, measure. I measured and guessed to come up w/ the right result before I saw the same boat as mine w/ a Mack Pack. Mine is barely big enough but the hanging cleats and extra fullness made it work. The pack is a bit ugly under sail but looks great at the dock, which is most of the time. A tight pack is better than loose in a blow. I don’t need to barber-pole for a blow now.

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:24 PM
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[RICHARD USEN]

Look up Mack Sails and see their picture. It’s better than mine.

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

[Bill Robart]

You guys might want to look at the details of the Doyle Stack Pac.  I believe they are the ones who developed the first system of this type.

My only objections to these systems are the problem of the battens catching on the lazy jacks and the look of the cover when the sail is up. I'd make the cover out of white material to match the sail so the cover would hide better.  As for easy flaking of the sail  as it falls, the Dutchman system is by far the best, but it's downfall is the very cumbersome sail cover with all the zippers to go around the mono filament that causes the sail to flake so well.

Bill

[Jeff Griglack]

I wound think the other problem with the Dutchman is that the sail has to be "trained" to flake from the start, so you can't really use it on an older sail.

I already have a simple lazy jack setup.  However, I also have a loose footed main, and I think the stack pack setup would eliminate part of the benefits of the loose foot.  Yeah, and it looks kinda' funny under sail.

Jeff

[The Gruendels]

 

  “Yeah, and it looks kinda' funny under sail.”

 

Well, they ain’t purty, but their attractiveness is positively correlated with the age of the skipper ;>).  You, Jeff, are obviously younger than I.

[Guy Johnson]

Here's a picture of my sailrite cover. 

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[Jeff Griglack]

Any pictures of it under sail?

Jeff

[David Cheslow]

Related to the discussion of making sailing easier as we age, my wife, 65, and I, 66 are finishing our annual cruise on Long Island Sound.  We spend 3-4 wks every August living and cruising on our P 26.  This year we took along our 9-yr old grandson.

We have the annual debate about buying a bigger boat, and always wind up going with the simplicity of our 26.  We did install a new 4 stroke outboard with remote control electric start and power tilt.

We also day sail and race our boat on the Navesink in Red Bank, NJ and love the fact that we can be sailing in a matter of minutes.  We have no prop sticking through the bottom of the boat, and our head is a porta-potti plumbed for dockside Pumpout.

This works for us.

Dave and Marilyn Cheslow

Prime Time, Red Bank, NJ

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On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Jeff Griglack <grig...@gmail.com> wrote:

Any pictures of it under sail?

Jeff

On Aug 23, 2014 8:51 PM, "Guy Johnson" <guy...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Here's a picture of my sailrite cover. 

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[Guy Johnson]

This is the only one I could find. 

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Any pictures of it under sail?

Jeff

On Aug 23, 2014 8:51 PM, "Guy Johnson" <guy...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Here's a picture of my sailrite cover. 

[RICHARD USEN]

Guy, that pack looks great. Mack Sails insists that Lazyjacks are essential. I don’t know about essential, but it sure looks and functions better w/ the pack hung from skyhooks. My PO hung mine from the spreader, and boy, does it furl well! One batten hangs up, but the rest of the sail falls right in.

 

Dick Usen

T-33 #100

Hopscotch

Boston

 

From: pearso...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pearso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guy Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:45 AM
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This is the only one I could find.