31-2 traveler setup?

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Last Resort

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Jul 14, 2024, 10:02:08 PMJul 14
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with the new canvas I've had done, it's become necessary to revamp my traveler lines used to move and hold it.  In the past I had big flaps to reach out and unlock when necessary, and standing on my cabin ladder I would pull and release the lines accordingly.  But today a fellow captain and I figured a way to change it so that it would be completely controllable inside the cockpit by removing the present cam cleats on the traveler and installing 2 newer ones with eye leads included into the deck inside.  I'll still work from my ladder, or knees on the cushion at the top of the ladder, but I'll now be able to release the lines without having to be somehow outside the cockpit to do so.  I'm wondering what other  31-2 owners are doing for their traveler control and usage if different from my setup?  I always figured this is how Pearson designed it, but never planned for a dodger to be there.  I also can't believe it took me 14 years to figure this out :( 

Last Resort

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Jul 16, 2024, 3:04:18 PMJul 16
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I've had pictures sent to me by Alptraveler, thanks,  and their setup is exactly the same as mine, so here's hoping my conversion with bringing my cam cleats from outside to inside works :) 

Guy Johnson

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Jul 17, 2024, 3:08:12 PMJul 17
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I've had pictures sent to me by Alptraveler, thanks,  and their setup is exactly the same as mine, so here's hoping my conversion with bringing my cam cleats from outside to inside works :) 

On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-4 Last Resort wrote:
with the new canvas I've had done, it's become necessary to revamp my traveler lines used to move and hold it.  In the past I had big flaps to reach out and unlock when necessary, and standing on my cabin ladder I would pull and release the lines accordingly.  But today a fellow captain and I figured a way to change it so that it would be completely controllable inside the cockpit by removing the present cam cleats on the traveler and installing 2 newer ones with eye leads included into the deck inside.  I'll still work from my ladder, or knees on the cushion at the top of the ladder, but I'll now be able to release the lines without having to be somehow outside the cockpit to do so.  I'm wondering what other  31-2 owners are doing for their traveler control and usage if different from my setup?  I always figured this is how Pearson designed it, but never planned for a dodger to be there.  I also can't believe it took me 14 years to figure this out :( 

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Dan Pfeiffer

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Jul 17, 2024, 3:32:05 PMJul 17
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Great reference.  Well done.  That looks like a nice solution to managing a cabin top traveler.  I sort of wonder if 3:1 is enough traveler purchase?  I have 4:1 with end-boom sheeting and it's OK.  31-2 main is actually  a smidge larger than 10M and mid-boom sheeting increases load by maybe 2X?   but that's a detail that can be revised.  And the pulling orientation is pretty good too.  

Dan Pfeiffer

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Jul 17, 2024, 4:41:32 PMJul 17
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thanks for the link Guy J :)  It's basically the same idea I've come up with, but even single handling, I let Albert (my AP) take the helm and as said, I like to stand on the stair step and control the traveler from there, so I've ordered the same cam cleats he's using with the eye fairlead built in and going to set them up just in front of the present clutches, while at the same time removing the existing cam cleats and SS plates.  The other minor variance I've done already is to bring the working end of the lines from the lower sheave rather than from the top, just to diminish the downward angle a bit more. 

Jeff Griglack

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Jul 17, 2024, 9:46:57 PMJul 17
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Great info, Guy.  I have been looking at adding a traveler on my P365.  

Dan, my current setup is an A type setup with 3:1 purchase, mid-boom on the cabin top, but then it runs to a self tailing Lewmar 30 winch.  I haven't had any problem needing more power to take it in.

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Dan Pfeiffer

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Jul 17, 2024, 9:52:51 PMJul 17
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I was talking about the traveler purchase not the mainsheet.

Guy Johnson

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Jul 18, 2024, 10:55:39 AMJul 18
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I happened to see a "Harken halyard crossover block" for sale on eBay. Not knowing what a halyard crossover block was, I googled and came up with this. 
Crossover blocks provide a cleaner, more efficient deck. These easy-to-install blocks mount behind the stopper bank on each side of the cabin house and can route any line to the winch on the opposite side. Blocks feature built-in risers and sculpted backing plates. The large, strong bases protect cored decks. Use the 1984 for boats to 11.5 m (38') and the 1981 for boats to 15 m (48').

Interesting bit of gear to let you move a line over to the winch on the other side of the boat. 

Guy
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Jeff Griglack

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Jul 18, 2024, 1:14:05 PMJul 18
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Oh, is that what they are called!  A friend had these on his X-99, and I had no idea what they are called.  I have been trying to figure it out for years.  These were mounted on his cabin top to allow us to use either of the cabin top winches for the various lines that came back to the rope clutches on the cabin top.

I knew I would find out what they were called eventually.  Of course, now I'm not sure how useful that knowledge is to me because my current boat has only the main sheet going to the cabin top.

Thanks,
Jeff
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Last Resort

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Jul 20, 2024, 6:43:15 PMJul 20
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I'll let you know how the final step goes yet, but the prep step had a surprise :(    If you decide to follow this method, take the whole car off WITH plate first and do it on a table.  I "presumed" the 2 sheaves would just come up and off, remove the plate, and screw them back in, but NO!!!  There's 60 loose ball bearings in there, 15 in each side of a sheave, and I managed to save 42 of them on my toe rails and a few other nicely hidden places.  Having a magnet stick handy was great too.  Once I understood the method of build, I was able to put the first one back together, and the 2nd one went much better knowing now to keep the sheaves upside down and tight, remove the plate, and screw it back onto the car.  It was nice to clean things up as well when all apart. On a 2nd note, the original sheaves could use replacing as they're wearing out as well.  Anyone ever found replacements for these specific cars? 

Guy Johnson

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Jul 21, 2024, 6:55:26 AMJul 21
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If you're looking for Harken parts, give them a call. Harken has always been very helpful when I've called in the past. 

Guy

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Last Resort

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Jul 21, 2024, 8:27:57 AMJul 21
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Thanks for the tip, and maybe I will, but in this case it will be Garhauer :)  

Last Resort

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Jul 23, 2024, 10:48:41 PMJul 23
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Final results!  Works well!  Tricky getting the nuts to grab on the bolts, but google came through with a video showing the use of a stick and crazy glue to get the nuts in position and started, then a stick again with the wrench zip tied to it to keep the nuts in place while tightening the bolts :) 

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