Some questions about the Pearson 365 ketch

[Jeff Griglack]

I have been looking at a P365 Ketch, and I have a couple of questions for any owners on the list:

1.  When I knock on the keel with a hammer, there is a hollow sound.  The fiberglass is solid (I know what de-lamination sounds like), but I hear a hollow void inside.  I expect that in the rear 1/3, but I'm hearing it in the forward 2/3 where the ballast is located.  Is this normal?

2.  How well does the boat sail to weather?  It's a ketch and heavy, so I don't expect it to beat my P30, but just how bad is it?

3.  Is a new mast step (stainless or other material) available someplace, or is this a custom built item?

4.  There is what looks like a round, phillips head screw head protruding from the starboard side of the keel about 1/3 from the front.  It is covered with several layers of bottom paint.  A friend suggested that was for drain (like a garboard drain plug), but that is not the deep bilge area.  The owner (for the past 18 years) does not have any knowledge of it.  Is this normal or do you have any idea what this might be?

5.  Any other suggestions/comments?  I know I had more questions, and might be back with more later if/when I remember them.

Thanks,

Jeff

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[Mike Mayer]

Jeff,

There is also a Pearson 365 specific group:

Pearson 365/367 Yacht Club - Index

Pearson 365/367 Yacht Club - Index Pearson 365/367 Yacht Club - Index

I stumbled on it recently though I am not a member.

Regards,

Mike Mayer

P30 #475

S/V Pharon

New Haven, Ct.

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[Jeff Griglack]

Thanks, Mike, I've seen that site.  I don't think I can post questions without a membership (much like here), but I have gotten some information from their archives.

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[Dave Cole]

I was looking at the reviews on the 365 and they don't have many great things to say about it.  It apparently doesn't go to wind well at all.   

One recently sold on eBay and it appeared to be nice to equipped.   I think it went for about $9500 but that is sight unseen.   I think the designer was pretty proud of the 365 but I sort of wonder why.    Way back in my youth in the 70s an older couple I knew who was well off bought a Pearson Countess.   That seemed like a really nice heavy cruiser from the 60s.  But apparently not many were made? 

Dave 10M #26

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[Peter Ogilvie]

The 365 is a cruising boat and makes no pretensions of being a competitive racer.  The shallow draft and low Sail Area/Displacement ratio doesn't make for a boat that will go to weather or be a great performer in light air.  They do have a ton of room, a nifty head design and the ability to get into thin water anchorages.  The latter is especially beneficial in the Chesapeake, Bahamas, and Keys.  If your ambitions are to cruise those areas, tradewind sailing, and/or the Carribean or live aboard,  They are a good boat.  If you are trading in your 'J' boat to go cruising, you'll be disappointed in its sailing ability. 

From our experience, pointing ability is way down the list of nice features on a cruising boat.  Ocean passages are almost always a reach.  Beating is not fun especially if you have to do it 24/7 so most cruisers plan their passages to avoid it like the plague.  

One big thing they have in their favor is they are a hell of a lot of boat for relatively little money.  If your budget isn't large, a 365 could get you out there years earlier and years longer.  Get a good Asym or Code Zero to help out in light air.

Aloha
Peter Ogilvie
'Ae'a, Pearson 35 #108

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[Robert Franklin]

All the comments point in the same direction and I don't need to repeat any.

However, I did mention in a recent post that the well respected book "The Proper Yacht" by Arthur Beiser, circa 1979, features the P365 prominently and favorably as one of the best production cruising boats where the builder and designer are the same.  The point being that generally you want them to be different so that each checks and balances the other. Perhaps the author was overly optimistic because everyone here seems disappointed in the boat except as an in the water condominium.

To Dave Cole:  I have always had a special interest in the Pearson Countess.  To me there is something appealing about Something about the bubble cabin with the eye level forward facing windows and the flat deck forward from there to the bow.  I know nothing about the boats reputation and the size would overwhelm me at this point in my life.  There was also a smaller similar looking version.  

Finally,  I am sad to hear there is a separate site for the P365.  It seems to me we would all benefit from the Pearson family living under one roof.

Bob Franklin

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[Dan Pfeiffer]

Being realistic about performance potential is not the same as being disappointed in the 365.  You don't get a boat like that to run around the buoys on Wednesdays and Sundays.  A P30 should walk away from it on any point of sail, especially in light air or up wind.   But for it's intended purpose I think it would do very well though I would look for the later variant of the 36 cutter or the 386 which have a bit more draft at 5.5 ft and a lot more performance.  The 386 is the final evolution of the series.

I have rafted up with a 365 in the Chesapeake  and stepping onto it from my 10M I was struck by how much more significant a vessel it seemed to be.  It felt a magnitude more than my 10M which feels a magnitude more than a P30.   Very stout and solid yet familiar with the hallmark Pearson attributes. 

 

Attached is a scan of the pages from Beiser's book "The Proper Yacht" that Bob refereed to.  The 365 is one of dozens Beiser profiles in the book.  He didn't write about boats he didn't like.   And he liked a lot of boats.  The 365 is one of them though I would not say it was a standout or prominent in the collection.   4 pages of 300. 

Dan Pfeiffer

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[Dan Pfeiffer]

Oops... got his name wrong on the PDF file, it's Beiser.

[Bill Robart]

Jeff,

As the others have said the 365 is a commodious and properly built boat. Her attributes are all aimed at being very comfortable while sailing and at the dock or on the hook.  They are not aimed at performance under sail. If you are content with motorsailing to beat your way out to where you can sail on a reach or downwind then you'd be happy. If you want optimum speed and good windward performance under sail alone in a 36 foot boat it would be a disappointment. 

To compare performance under sail alone go the PHRF sites and compare ratings of different 36 foot boats and to your P-30 and you'll quickly see how each boat fares. Subtract one rating from the other and you get the number of seconds per mile one will be ahead or behind the other. The lower the rating the faster the boat. You'll likely find the 365 to be rather slow even compared to considerably shorter boats. A J-24 is a lot faster as is your P-30. You may have to search several localities to find a 365 as few owners race them. 

Bill

 

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