Where is your traveler?

[Michael Weeks]

1976 Pearson 30 here.
My traveler was shoddily relocated to the cabin-top. It pulled free recently, due to the mounting method, not a weakness in the cabin-top. I think I can re-position the rear cleats, remove the scallop vents and mount the track on edge of the stern. I'm not going to put it back on the cockpit floor.

Interested to hear/see any non OEM traveler installation, and if folks reinforced the cabin-top to do it.

[Guy Johnson]

I've seen some P30's with a traveler bridging the aft end of the cockpit benches. 

Guy

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1976 Pearson 30 here.
My traveler was shoddily relocated to the cabin-top. It pulled free recently,  due to the mounting method, not a weakness in the cabin-top.  I think I can re-position the rear cleats, remove the scallop vents and mount the track on edge of the stern. I'm not going to put it back on the cockpit floor.

Interested to hear/see any non OEM traveler installation, and if folks reinforced the cabin-top to do it.

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[Jeff Griglack]

My previous boat was a P30, and the traveler was near the aft end of the cockpit, about 8 inches in front of the aft locker, bridging the seats.  This left it just a little behind the boom, and it worked well for the 18 years that I had the boat.  The PO had mounted it there, and I assume that's about where the original "A" rope configuration was located.  There was no support in the middle, between the seats, just the traveler itself, but there was never an issue with too much pressure on the traveler.

I am looking at mounting a traveler on my P365 (one of the lower priority jobs), which has the rope "A" on the cabin top.  To do this, I will have to mount towers on either end because of the curve of the cabin top and the sea hood.  I am thinking that I will use a SS beam across and support the traveler in the middle.

Jeff

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[Michael Weeks]

My 1st choice would be to mount back on top using these risers. My question is how much if any do I need to reinforce the top, assuming through bolting into the cabin with backing plates.

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[Michael Weeks]

Any pics of your P30 traveler, original install on the floor or any other variation would be appreciated!

[Tim Smith]

I see this bench mount most often. Next cockpit floor aft. Then cabin top. 

Best. Tim

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[Michael Mayer]

Here’s my ‘73 P30 during its paint job..

Mike M.

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[Bob Maxwell]

That's the factory set up.  Best for sail control.  Mid-boom on a P30 isn't good and will crack the boom in half unless a stronger boom is installed.  Apparently, it can also pull off the cabin top.

Bob

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[Michael Weeks]

Yea it does! It was a terrible install, however, simply a block of wood screwed into the Balsa core. I really liked having a traveler up on top, It opened up the cockpit. I've got the pedestal wheel mount, with the traveler across won't that eat that it up all the room in the cockpit?

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[Michael Weeks]

Thanks for the pic!

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[Jeff Griglack]

I have seen those risers.  I like Garhauer equipment a lot, and I am considering these for my cabin top installation too.  However, my (P365) cabin top is made to have the main sheet attached to it, and my boom is made for mid-boom sheeting.

My P30 had a tiller and an after market boom.  I can see that the wheel would complicate installing a traveler in the cockpit.  I think we need the opinion of somebody else who has a P30 with a wheel.

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[kris.s...@gmail.com]

A wooden block screwed to the cabin top? What a boneheaded install. That person never jibed a main in anything more than 5knots or they would have known it wouldn’t hold. Lucky you didn’t get hurt.

I have a forward wheel and traveler across the cockpit, as pictured earlier. I thought about mounting to cabin top, but when I looked at my P30 compared to boats w/ mid-boom sheeting, I realized the boom extends much further over the cockpit. That means the attachements would be on the first 1/3 of the boom. I’m not an engineer, but it just seems like it wouldn’t work well.

I’ve decided I like where everything is because I single hand a lot and can reach everything easily. I’ve also sailed w/ a bunch of company and we all manage, even in decent wind.

There is a guy named Jesse Tane, who I believe has contributed to this group, who has an interesting mount on the transom. I think he got his boat that way and then rebuilt it.  You can see pictures of his boat at this site: https://www.jessetane.com/isotope/

I was considering trying that, but then decided I had more pressing projects (chain plates, port lights, wiring — the endless list).

Hope this helps,

Kris

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[Michael Weeks]

Yes, I knew that set up would not last, but I was riding the lightning.

I had my main sheet attached to boom bails w three points of contact, I thought the boom looked pretty safe.

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A wooden block screwed to the cabin top? What a boneheaded install. That person never jibed a main in anything more than 5knots or they would have known it wouldn’t hold. Lucky you didn’t get hurt.

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[Michael Weeks]

On a pulley set up like below, what are the disadvantages? Can you still throw your boom way out on a run or 90° wing on wing?

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[Michael Weeks]

NM I think I answered my own question 

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[Jesse Tane]

Yeah the PO made that transom traveler mount my boat has. I've improved it slightly by adding aluminum standoffs but it's three pieces of laminated wood and is not aging particularly well. If I get around to actually rebuilding it I suppose I would consider keeping it in that location... with the wheel just ahead I can sit in the aft corner facing across the boat and steer with one hand while playing the sheet with the other, which does have a nice feel. I don't have a lot of experience sailing other boats so I can't really compare the ergonomics to the cabin top or other locations but no major complaints come to mind, I suppose it makes the stern cleats harder to access and maybe at some angles / traveler positions the sheet can make contact with the pushpit rail. Not necessarily related but having the sheet attach at the same place as the topping lift allows for using the boom as a crane, handy for getting the outboard on and off the dingy when in cruising mode.