P30 pedestal steering -- sheave supports

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Kris Sperber

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Jun 24, 2020, 8:35:19 PM6/24/20
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Good evening,

I've taken everything out to repair a rotten cockpit sole and now need to put it all back in again.

I have an Edson binnacle mounted forward (poorly, a large part of the reason for rotten sole). Not sure that the sheave supports I removed were all that sturdy. Does anybody have recommendations or photos showing how theirs are installed? I have reviewed the Edson installation manual. On starboard, I have the cockpit edge to secure to, and a glassed-in block on the hull. On starboard I have only the cockpit edge (but could certainly glass in a block if I had to). The former supports (standard 2x4s) were aft of the quarter berth (port), and lazarette (starboard). It worked well in those positions. 

Maybe that's the best way to do it. Just wanted to check anybody else's solutions.

And please, no "throw out the whole contraption and use your tiller." I've read the discussions and tend to agree that tillers are more sensitive and it would be fun to whip that huge rudder right round, but the boat came with a binnacle and I might as well keep using it. Plus I like locking the wheel for trips to the icebox.

Thanks for any and all suggestions,
Kris

Richard Usen

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Jun 25, 2020, 11:12:23 AM6/25/20
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You’ll always get lots of suggestions. They all have validity. Pick the one that appeals to you. Read the Edson manual. They’ve done this before.
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Bill Robart

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Jun 25, 2020, 2:37:32 PM6/25/20
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I won't bother to debate the tiller vs wheel issue but do want you to realize that a tiller can be locked just as easily as a wheel.  The method I used was a very simple  loose turn of line around the tiller that was secured to each side of the cockpit which stayed slack when the tiller was in the normal "in use" position. When I wanted to lock the tiller I simply pulled the rope forward on the tiller and then raised the tiller a bit so the rope was pulled tight and held the tiller exactly where you wanted it to be. The only modifications to the boat were the rope and the tightening of the tiller hinge until it stayed put when you raised it up. Simple, fast, and worked well.  The boat would sail on any course higher than a reach almost endlessly that way. Worked just as well as wheel brakes.  

Bill



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Peter Ogilvie

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Jun 25, 2020, 4:00:27 PM6/25/20
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Bill Robart

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Jun 25, 2020, 8:41:55 PM6/25/20
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When the Tiller Tamer first came on the market I considered it but didn’t want to have more holes in the tiller or something to “eat” my hand when steering so I passed on it. Never saw one installed. It also violated the KISS principle that I try to employ.

Bill

Peter Ogilvie

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Jun 25, 2020, 9:02:44 PM6/25/20
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Mounted the  Tiller Tamer underneath the tiller and its about half way up the tiller where my hands never go.  Only two Mounting screw holes that could be plugged with bungs if I ever wanted to permanently remove the TT, which I don't.  The Tiller Tamer is an awfully simple device, the base, a sheave and a screw tension adjuster.  It's a great improvement over tieing the tiller off with lines as you can just push the tiller to a new position if you don't have the tension set too tight which I never do.  The only problem for me is remembering to step over the control lines.  Use quick release Clam Cleats that have a hook to put the line under and slip into the Clam Cleat portion to tension the line.

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Peter Ogilvie
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Jeff Griglack

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Jun 26, 2020, 11:50:08 PM6/26/20
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Or you can make a tiller comb.  It fits across the seats and the tiller rests in it at various points.
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Bill Robart

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Jun 27, 2020, 1:55:26 PM6/27/20
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I met a fellow in the boat yard who had an old Navy whale boat. It had a tiller comb to allow it to hold a set course None of my sailboats could demploy such a device as the mount for the comb would have been in the way. My P-33-1 with the rudder shaft coming thru the back of the cockpit cockpit sole would have required either a structure mounted on the sole or to the tops of the seat hatches. My rope system required none of that and unlike the comb allowed for infinite lateral adjustment. The comb only allows adjustment between a finite number of teeth. It is a slick and simple device though and one I would have employed if it could have been done easily.

Bill



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