10M Owner's list

[Guy Johnson]

Here's the link to the list Dan has on his website. 

http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/owners.htm

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[Tim McDonough]

Thanks for sharing, I'd love to see a push to get this updated with as many current folks as possible, I know there are quite a few 10Ms going strong still. I have #137 and the owners, engine, colors, and email have all since changed from what's on the list haha - I'll shoot Dan an update :) 

[darin doherty]

Greetings,

So, as an update to the list, My wife and I (Darin and Kay Doherty) own hull #108.  We purchased it in 2022 and it now resides at Port Canaveral Florida.  We just made it through another hurricane (Milton).  This is the third since we have owned her.  The boat's name is now Charis.  She was on the hard for over a year and we have an extensive amount of work to her with more to go.

Darin Doherty

Port Canaveral

#108 Charis.

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[darin doherty]

It might be nice if folks could add pictures of their 10 M boats while updating Dan's list.  How many are in FL?

[Guy Johnson]

If you want to be added to the list of 10m owners that Dan generously maintains please follow the link on his page. 

Thanks

Guy

On Oct 11, 2024, at 10:50 PM, darin doherty <usf...@gmail.com> wrote:



Greetings,

So, as an update to the list, My wife and I (Darin and Kay Doherty) own hull #108.  We purchased it in 2022 and it now resides at Port Canaveral Florida.  We just made it through another hurricane (Milton).  This is the third since we have owned her.  The boat's name is now Charis.  She was on the hard for over a year and we have an extensive amount of work to her with more to go.

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Darin Doherty

Port Canaveral

#108 Charis.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 18:17 Tim McDonough <timothy.g...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for sharing, I'd love to see a push to get this updated with as many current folks as possible, I know there are quite a few 10Ms going strong still. I have #137 and the owners, engine, colors, and email have all since changed from what's on the list haha - I'll shoot Dan an update :) 

On Friday, October 11, 2024 at 4:51:15 PM UTC-4 Guy J wrote:

Here's the link to the list Dan has on his website. 

http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/owners.htm

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[Pauleen Ward Brown]

What about adding additional pages for 31-2, 36s etc?

Pauleen

Coram Deo

Hull 20

Breezy Point 

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[Guy Johnson]

The 10M owner's list is maintained by Dan P. As part of his private website. 

http://dan.pfeiffer.net/10m/owners.htm

Are there any members participating is this group that would like to take on the task of building and maintaining a Pearson registry.?

Are there any existing Pearson registries? 

Guy

Puffin 10M #6

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[Dan Pfeiffer]

Late season sailing is some of the best.  Especially if you like it a little rough.  We have two weeks left and weather is looking good this weekend.  Hope everyone is as lucky.  photo from 2024 sailing day 100!  woo hoo!

Dan Pfeiffer

[Jeff Griglack]

I can't pull my boat until the beginning of November.  It's that way every year.  Once, years ago, I was in until just after Thanksgiving, and the weather was beautiful, but I figured I would never get that lucky again.  Things get very iffy the later you go, in New England.  

One year, after my boat was out, I helped a friend move his boat.  We had to shovel a couple of inches of snow off the deck first.  The leftover thin layer made the deck very slippery.

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| 'Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this
| world, Elwood, you must be" – she always called me Elwood –
| "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant."
| Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.'
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Late season sailing is some of the best.  Especially if you like it a little rough.  We have two weeks left and weather is looking good this weekend.  Hope everyone is as lucky.  photo from 2024 sailing day 100!  woo hoo!

Dan Pfeiffer

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[Andrew Milkovits]

Looks great, thanks for the pic.  

This year will be our longest season yet, with a haul date scheduled for the end of October.  Hoping the outstanding fall weather we've been having continues!  no regrets so far (said with fingers crossed).  

Already there's just a fraction of the typical number of boats left on the water in Maine where we are.  

Andrew

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[Doherty757]

Cool shot Dan, which Pearson model are you sailing?

Cheers

Gerry

[Al Taylor, P10 #174]

#174, second owner, Annapolis area her whole life.

As for late season sailing, I'm on a 22 month straight roll of sailing at least one day per calendar month. Something like 29 out of 30 too.

I may have to rewinterize a couple times per winter, but it's worth the trouble. Almost never more than a thin glaze of ice in the marina and on the bay.

On Friday, October 11, 2024 at 4:51:15 PM UTC-4 Guy J wrote:

[Jeff Griglack]

I was out again today.  Beautiful autumn weather.  A friend happened past on his Pearson 365 and snapped some pics of me on my boat (the first pictures I have of my own boat under sail).  Here's one.  The autopilot was steering at the time.  This was also the first time I used the stack pack that I made from a SailRite kit.

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| Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.'
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[Tim Smith]

Great to see you and your boat!

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[Dave Cole]

There is a 365 on Ebay to right now located in Miami with a bad v drive, and perhaps engine.  Water was above the floor at some point.

Its a sloop.  I didnt realize they made the 365 in both a ketch and sloop variant.

Was the V drive used in the 365s a common V drive?

Dave

10M #26

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[Jeff Griglack]

About the v-drive, I have no idea if it was common but I think it was not.  Most of the v-drives I have seen in the past were mounted on the transmission.  In the P356, it is separate.  There is a shaft that runs from the engine to the v-drive about 4 feet in front of the engine, under the floor boards, next to the ice box.  Or did I misunderstand and you meant "was the v-drive common to all 365s?"  If that's what you meant, all the 365s (and 367s) have the same v-drive.

That said, a couple of years ago, I sent my v-drive back to Walter in New Jersey, and they rebuilt it for me.  Cooling water was leaking into the oil.  A friend with another P365 did the same when he repowered his boat.  I'm not sure what was wrong with his.  Mine cost about $2200 and his cost about $3000.  It came back like new about 2 weeks later.

The v-drive is about a foot lower than the engine (just a guess, I've never measured it).  Water could cover the v-drive and get a little over the floor boards and would only touch the bottom of the engine.

If I understand right, there were 3 P365 variants.  Most were ketches, some were sloops, and a few were made as ketch/cutters.  The P367 is pretty much the same boat with a deeper keel (5.5 feet instead of the P365's 4.5 feet) and a cutter rig.

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| Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.'
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[Dan Pfeiffer]

Excellent.  Just what I was hoping to see with this thread. 

We had maybe the best ride of the season today.  10 to 17 true wind, awesome spinnaker run with some nice surfs as the waves built a bit.  Averaged 7.2 kts over about 5 miles and hit a bunch of 8's and 9.2 once.  What a great ride. 

Photo from masthead camera of asym flying off bowsprit. 


Dan Pfeiffer

On 2024-10-20 8:52 am, Tim Smith wrote:

Great to see you and your boat!

On Sat, Oct 19, 2024, 8:56 PM Jeff Griglack <grig...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was out again today.  Beautiful autumn weather.  A friend happened past on his Pearson 365 and snapped some pics of me on my boat (the first pictures I have of my own boat under sail).  Here's one.  The autopilot was steering at the time.  This was also the first time I used the stack pack that I made from a SailRite kit.

 

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[Dan Pfeiffer]

Can an inexpensive cordless right angle drill with a Winchbit work as a power winch handle?   I've done some testing with a Harbor Freight right angle drill. Hercules 20V Right Angle Drill with 5AH battery.  The drill is $99 and the battery with charger is $120.  So $220 all up.  I got it all on sale for $160.   I have also tried this with a more standard but heavy-duty 18V Bosch cordless drill. The right angle Hercules is a lot more ergonomic for this task.  Quite good in that respect.   (But, but, the Bosch has a low gear...)

Does it work?  Sort of?  Yes and no?  It works but the gearing and safety cut-off mean it can't handle the job at the highest loads. It cuts off at high load to keep from over-loading and also maybe to prevent it breaking your arm? 


RAISING MAIN
On my ST winch.  Mostly worked but cut-out at about 85% hoist.  I switched to regular handle to finish.  Still helpful though.  Quite fast.  Maybe too fast?  Had to be on ST winch.  A person could probably not tail the line fast enough to keep up.   See video attached (hope that works...).

SHEETING HEADSAIL
I tried this  where I am going from a downwind course with headsail all the way out to upwind close hauled.  There is a lot of sheet to take in.  Worked pretty well at this and got the sail maybe 95% of the way in before cut-out.  That just leaves a few fine-tuning turns with the regular handle.  Pretty good and fast.  Saved a lot of effort on this.  A real time saver when racing short-handed as I often do. 

RAISING PERSON ON MAST IN BOSUNS CHAIR
That's a hard NO.  Not even close.  Cut out right from the start.  Does not work.

BATTERY LIFE
I have a 5AH battery.  I used the drill for about 10 days maybe several dozen times.  Plenty of life in battery for this.  Probably used only 40% capacity?


CONCLUSIONS
Yes it works for some winching tasks but it is not powerful enough for others.

Battery life is quite sufficient. 

It runs a bit fast.  No load is 1000RPM.  It maybe runs at half that under load?  Commercially available power winch handles run at 150 to 250 RPM?  With a lower gearing it would not run so fast and would have more power.  But it's not likely that re-gearing it is a viable option.  Can't just got to rightangledrillgears.com for the parts.  But I'll look into it. 

Longevity may be an issue in more challenging corrosion environments but the unit seems rugged and well built especially for the cost.   I have not had it long enough to know though.  Someone on-line somewhere dissected the Hercules battery and found Samsung cells.  


Dan Pfeiffer



Hercules Drill
https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=hercules%20right%20angle%20drill
This drill is sort of a knock-off of a Milwaukee unit but quite a bit less expensive. 

Battery & Charger
https://www.harborfreight.com/20v-5-ah-extended-performance-lithium-ion-battery-and-4-amp-multi-voltage-charger-starter-kit-71262.html

Add also the Winch Bit adapter to fit the 8-sided winch socket which I got for $20 a while ago and sells new for $49.   I found on on Ebay a while back for $20.
http://winchbit.com/



Commercially available power winch handles (cost more - like 4 or 5x and more).
https://www.stemmler-winches.com/ewincher/

https://www.cruiserowaterandpower.com/product/winchrite-abt-by-sailology-cordless-winch-handle/

https://www.yachtingworld.com/yachts-and-gear/iwinch-test-new-electric-winch-handle-option-136324

[Dave Cole]

I havent tried the powerwinch idea, but I did buy a Hercules 3/8" impact wrench along with two 5 amp hr batteries and a charger.  Its very handy and much cheaper than a Milwaukee setup.  I use it frequently.

 I liked it so much, I bought one of their 1/2" drive Ultra impact wrenches.  Its more powerful than my 1/2" air impacts.  Very handy.

And as you said, battery life is excellent.

If you buy the Ultra 1/2" impact wrench dont use it to tighten wheel lug nuts without a torque limiter. 

It can easily twist off hardened bolts.

I had a bolt rusted into a diesel cylinder head  and the wrench easily twisted the 7/16 grade 8 bolt off.  That was necessary so I could drill the bolt stub out of the head.  Very powerful.

Maybe they will come out with a better Hercules right angle drill.  

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[Dan Pfeiffer]

I think a low gear would make this setup very good.  As it is it's pretty good for the primary task I envisioned of reeling in the jib sheet on those leeward roundings. 

As a bonus it fits in the coming box.

And, not that you did, but I would not try using an impact tool as a power winch handle.  Only a regular drill.  I don't think the winch would take well to the hammering.

Dan Pfeiffer

[Dave Cole]

Ha ha, no!  I would not use an impact wrench on a winch.  It would probably work one or two times before destroying the winch.  

Dave

10M #26

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[George Dubose]

Oooofff!!! I just checked the link Dan gave for an eWincher. A few years ago, I saw one for 700 euros, now they are more than €2000.

George/Skylark

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[Dan Pfeiffer]

The Milwaukee Hole Hawg is what the Hercules is a copy of.

The Super Hole Hawg has a low gear that runs at 400 rpm.  Probably better suited to the job.  But it is more than 2x the cost of Hercules at 500+ with battery and charger.  But if you already live in the Milwaukee battery ecosystem you can get the bare tool for less.

I was afraid to use the power tool on the jib furling.  I couldn't feel if there was a jam or some snag on a line that might lead to damage.  i am not a fan of putting the furling line on a winch. but it would be nice to have on my top-down furling spinnaker furling line.  It would have to run on a ST winch and the continuous furling line takes some management to run clear and free.  And you can't feel problems like with jib furling so more care is needed.


Dan Pfeiffer

On 2024-11-11 2:28 am, George Dubose wrote:

I have a Milwaukee 90° Hole Hawg with the Harken winch bit. I mainly use it to furl the genoa as the winch dedicated to the furling line is a #28 and takes a lot of cranking to furl the sail. My bursitus in my shoulder doesn't help.

A Hole Hawg doesn't have enough torque to pull anyone up the mast, I can't use it with the boom as a crane to lift the folded dinghy off the dock.

A Super Hole Hawg probably has more torque, but is quite large, heavy and cumbersome.

The Hole Hawg has high rpms that are too high for winching and I would trade some rpms for more torque.

I am thinking of drilling a small hole in the "trigger" and use a short cotter pin in the hole to act as an rpm "limiter".

There is the eWincher, which I haven't used or seen used. They are only 700+ bucks...

George/Skylark

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