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[Jonathan Leibiusky]

Google Analytics gave me this nice link that refers to out site: http://rooftopsolutions.nl/

It seems there is already someone who is doing something similar to us. Check it out! http://pearhub.org/

Jonathan

[scott davis]

guess i should add openID lol

[Jonathan Leibiusky]

I'm not sure if they have a command line utility that make your life easier when you wan't to actually generate the pear package.

[scott davis]

also what the fuck openID is so over engineered

[Jonathan Leibiusky]

it is nice to offer it, but I don't think it is THAT great!

what I like is the site design... it is nice, with less information on the screen.

[Alan Pinstein]

Wow, who knew? It looks modeled after the early versions of Gemcutter where tagging releases in github caused a new package to be created.

They also don't seem to have the builder tool, so you can't do pear packages that install executables as far as I can tell.

Maybe we should ask them to join us?

Alan

[Alan Pinstein]

I am trying to decide if openID is useful here... I guess it could be.

Pearhub uses the ZF openID implementation. Maybe that could work for us? Or maybe someone's already written a better one?

Alan

[scott davis]

if you find one thats not bloatware ill make openID happen

[Alan Pinstein]

Is that even possible? Isn't the standard the main reason?

I kinda gave up on OpenID after seeing all the problems it caused. Since I have multiple openID provider accounts, I can never remember which one I used for a certain site. So you get to a site that says "click your openID provider" and has like 10 icons. Like I'm gonna remember! WTF.

Alan

[scott davis]

yea its stupid they really need something better to come along

[Alan Pinstein]

Plus you only need a login on pearfarm to *produce* packages. It's hardly onerous.

Alan

[Evert]

Just wanted to chime in as the author of that post.

I've had to implement OpenID once, and also used the Zend package. I
can only share your bloatware sentiment, it wasn't made very easy to
use if you don't buy in on the rest of the framework, and very hard to
decouple. I also don't know an alternative that's better (but I'm sure
they exist).

From a user/developer perspective openid is very nice though. Many
serious programming-related sites seem to jump on OpenID, such as for
example Stack Overflow and SourceForge.

I got my own domain name, and hooked up MyOpenId on http://me.evertpot.com/,
so I won't forget. I got a bit grumpy when I saw that pearfarm
required me to think of yet another username and password. Lastly I
think OpenID gets you geek cred.

Sorry for the rant,
Evert

On Jan 9, 3:11 am, Alan Pinstein <apinst...@mac.com> wrote:
> Plus you only need a login on pearfarm to *produce* packages. It's  
> hardly onerous.
>
> Alan
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:08 PM, scott davis wrote:
>
> > yea its stupid they really need something better to come along
>

> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Alan Pinstein <apinst...@mac.com>  

> > wrote:
> > Is that even possible? Isn't the standard the main reason?
>
> > I kinda gave up on OpenID after seeing all the problems it caused.  
> > Since I have multiple openID provider accounts, I can never remember  
> > which one I used for a certain site. So you get to a site that says  
> > "click your openID provider" and has like 10 icons. Like I'm gonna  
> > remember! WTF.
>
> > Alan
>
> > On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:52 PM, scott davis wrote:
>
> >> if you find one thats not bloatware ill make openID happen
>

> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Alan Pinstein <apinst...@mac.com>  

> >> wrote:
> >> I am trying to decide if openID is useful here... I guess it could  
> >> be.
>
> >> Pearhub uses the ZF openID implementation. Maybe that could work  
> >> for us? Or maybe someone's already written a better one?
>
> >> Alan
>
> >> On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Leibiusky wrote:
>
> >>> it is nice to offer it, but I don't think it is THAT great!
> >>> what I like is the site design... it is nice, with less  
> >>> information on the screen.
>

> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:56 PM, scott davis <jetvipe...@gmail.com>  

> >>> wrote:
> >>> also what the fuck openID is so over engineered
>

> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Leibiusky <ionat...@gmail.com

> >>> > wrote:
> >>> I'm not sure if they have a command line utility that make your  
> >>> life easier when you wan't to actually generate the pear package.
>

> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, scott davis <jetvipe...@gmail.com>  

> >>> wrote:
> >>> guess i should add openID lol
>

> >>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Jonathan Leibiusky <ionat...@gmail.com

[Alan Pinstein]

No problem, thanks for the comments, they are right on. We should
support it if it isn't too painful.

For me, personally, since not everyone supports OpenID, I still need a
solution, and I use 1Password for Mac which rocks. I generate separate
strong passwords for every web site, secured by a master password, and
I have what effectively feels like OpenID across the web.

OpenID sounded awesome to me until I started seeing how people
implemented it. I have found it to be worse than nothing for most
sites, since you have to use OpenID to sign in, then you *still* have
to create an account on their system anyway. And for those that take
more than 1 openId provider (and let you pick from icons rather than
pasting in a URL) you have the added problem of having to remember
*which* OpenID provider you used.

And that's *my* rant ;)

We'll see what we can do to get it wired up.

Alan

On Jan 10, 8:55 pm, Evert <evert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just wanted to chime in as the author of that post.
>
> I've had to implement OpenID once, and also used the Zend package. I
> can only share your bloatware sentiment, it wasn't made very easy to
> use if you don't buy in on the rest of the framework, and very hard to
> decouple. I also don't know an alternative that's better (but I'm sure
> they exist).
>
> From a user/developer perspective openid is very nice though. Many
> serious programming-related sites seem to jump on OpenID, such as for
> example Stack Overflow and SourceForge.
>

> I got my own domain name, and hooked up MyOpenId onhttp://me.evertpot.com/,

[Jonathan Leibiusky]

btw, it seems like in the same post one thing that they complain about is that with pearfarm you have to add a channel for every package that you want to install and with pearhub it is not necessary.

do you think we should provide something similar? 

[Alan Pinstein]

Frankly I don't think that's a big deal, and actually it offers several advantages:

1) Performance improvements since each channel will be smaller in total size, which according to Scott means that the pear client <-> pearfarm server interaction will be more performant as the number of packages increases. Haven't tested this myself though.

2) Namespacing is actually useful -- if there are multiple forks for a project you can easily install whichever one you need, rather than having to modify the package name itself for each fork.

We need to instruct people to:

pear config-set auto_discover 1

And then installation is *always* a one-liner, like:

pear install username.pearfarm.org/package

So I don't see how it's any different as long as we educate about this on the front page.

People just copy/paste this stuff anyway.

Thoughts?

Alan

[Scott Davis]

Just want to chime in openId is low on my list ATM or atleast until the raiting system is finished

Scott Davis

[Alan Pinstein]

I am still trying to convince Troels of pearhub fame to join forces with us, so if we end up working something out we'll have someone with OpenID experience to hopefully make it much easier to do. Definitely worth waiting a bit on.

Alan

[Scott Davis]

Does he have an excuse of why not to be assimilated by our collective?

On Jan 10, 11:29 pm, Alan Pinstein <apinst...@mac.com> wrote:
> I am still trying to convince Troels of pearhub fame to join forces  
> with us, so if we end up working something out we'll have someone with  
> OpenID experience to hopefully make it much easier to do. Definitely  
> worth waiting a bit on.
>
> Alan
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Scott Davis wrote:
>
>
>
> > Just want to chime in openId is low on my list ATM or atleast until  
> > the raiting system is finished
>
> > Scott Davis
>

[Scott Davis]

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