Art of Living: Some tips

[Dev]

Jai Jinendra

Here are some lessons I keep learning

Ahimsa is the best policy; the worst himsa are moha (wrong notions), raaga (expanding ambitions) and dvesha (hate against roadblockers).

So

1. keep listing the domain of Moha
2. Do not act or promote or incite Moha in others.
3. Don't indulge in acts which breed anger, greed, and ego in others.
4. Try to be as transparent as possible so that no room is given for concealment.
5. Of course, maintain positive attitude and thoughts, your good health with regulated diet, sleep and habits so that you pursue the path of liberation.

I know, these are the mantra for success in life too. So why not give a try. Please improve the above suggestions so that I improve myself.

With regards

Dev

[sj]

i say..everythin here is said from vyvhaar view-point only. But when
taking the nischay to consideration.. the vyvhaar stands false. So
maybe we should understand the nischay view-point...because by that
only our vyvhaar would be said to be true.. otherwise they are false
only.
anywy.. i would evalute the point given below as per my understanding.
please ignore or let me know the mistake if any since i continue to
wear an ignorant shoes as of now.

1. keep listing the domain of Moha
comment:- it does not seem benificial to see/make list of the causes
(nimit). let the 'causes' remain as many and as much as they can. Our
force should be on the the target(soul) only.


2. Do not act or promote or incite Moha in others.
comment:- This is auspicious thought only. a Dravlingi sadhu also does
auspicious thoughts but still wanders in 4 gatis.


3. Don't indulge in acts which breed anger, greed, and ego in
others.
comment:- this also is an auspicious thought. Soul is differnt from
auspicious-inauspicous thoughts.
extra comment:- if only it be in our hand to do .. we should do. just
like moving the matter (pudgal) is not in our hand..since the matter
has its own state(paryay) from which it moves.. same way to follow the
above point is also not in our hand...when seen from nischay(true)
eyes.


4. Try to be as transparent as possible so that no room is given for
> concealment.
comment:- this is also an Auspicious-thought and nothing else. From
Auspicious-Inauspicious-thoughts.. Sanvar(outflow of karmas) does not
happens.


5. Of course, maintain positive attitude and thoughts, your good

health
> with regulated diet, sleep and habits so that you pursue the path of
> liberation.

comment:- these Don't come even under Auspicious thoughts. These are
all Inaspicious-thoughts only and worth not mentioning.

<<I know, these are the mantra for success in life too. So why not
give a try.>>

Truly speaking.. these are not at all the mantra for success in life.
Success in life would be called at that time when samyak-darshan(true-
faith) would happen. otherwise it is precious life wasted only.

regards,
sj.

On 22 Jan, 04:10, Dev <cdevaku...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jai Jinendra
>
> Here are some lessons I keep learning
> Ahimsa is the best policy; the worst himsa are moha (wrong notions), raaga
> (expanding ambitions) and dvesha (hate against roadblockers).
> So
>

>    1. keep listing the domain of Moha
>    2. Do not act or promote or incite Moha in others.
>    3. Don't indulge in acts which breed anger, greed, and ego in others.
>    4. Try to be as transparent as possible so that no room is given for
>    concealment.
>    5. Of course, maintain positive attitude and thoughts, your good health

[Peace]

Sadar Jai Jinendra
Dear Sahdharmik
You said it rightly in your first statement

"everythin here is said from vyvhaar view-point only"

It is indeed nice of you to come up with elaborate explanations. When
I am in my own self, i.e in shuddha nischaya naya, I wouldnt like to
get distracted to come down to vyavahara to explain in such details.
So I thank you for coming out of nischaya naya to paint this
relational prescription as unworthy and false. Words tend to become
pale in comparison to swa-anubhav.
In a 24 hour daily cycle how much of the time we spend in antaratma
and bahiratma is a measure of individual state and growth. How much of
our chetna is gyan or otherwise (karma or karma phal) is another
metrics.
Keep immersed in Shuddhopayog is the message to me
Jai Jinendra.

> > Dev- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Sreepalan VC]

Samyak Darshan

Dear Shri Sanjay Jian,

Let soul secure Samyakthva.

‘Vathu Sahaavo Dhammo’ – Veer Vaani - 'Nature of substance is Dharma'.

Ask thou, thou shall be given; knock thou and thou shall be heard.

‘Know thyself and be thyself’ – Achaarya Shri Kund Kund Dev.

Sub: Art of Living
Ref: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:30 PM

Quite an analysis, it is that helps to understand the realities of living and pursue the path of liberation.

Well, on the concept of nischaya and vyavahaar there appears to be some cloud of confusion, it is opined.

Nischaya and vyavahaar are two sides of a coin, any doubt?

Absence of nischaya there is no independent vyavhaaar.

Only when nischaya is finalized vyavhaar follows suit. If one wishes to go to ‘Shri Sammed Sikar’ that one has to climb the hill, right. The nischaya is the top of the hill and vyavahaar is steps that start from the bottom of the hill to the top. If there is no wish to go to top of the hill, then there is no need for climbing steps. And if one has to go to top of the bill, climbing the steps is a must, right.

If one feels that but for the steps, that one cannot reach the top of the hill and stays in the steps themselves, then he cannot reach the top of the hill, right. Therefore, necessarily one has to leave the steps, if that one has to enter into the top of the hill.

Steps are part and parcel of the hill trip. They are not made just for that individual but as a pilgrimage centre the steps form part and parcel of the hill. Both the top of the bill and the steps neither invite any one nor obstruct any. They are passive substances functioning ceaselessly.

After reaching the top of the hill there is neither nischaya nor vyavahaar, any doubt.

Vyavahaar is ever changing and temporary whereas nischyaa is permanent and never changing. That which is changing from the truth point of view is untrue or false.

Now your valued statement:
Quote: I say..everythin here is said from vyvhaar view-point only. But whentaking the nischay to consideration.. the vyvhaar stands false. So maybe we should understand the nischay view-point...because by that only our vyvhaar would be said to be true.. otherwise they are false only. unquote.

Analysis:
From the brief information stated herein above, if acceptable or otherwise too, vyavahaar is always impermanent and changing one and hence untrue and false. Vyavhaar is passing or fleeting one and it a tool only to understand the nischaya. Its birth is simultaneous but known or understood only immediately after nischaya.

Vyavahaar is paryaaya – momentary expression or modification - and may be true for that fleeting moment as change is incessant.

Barring the above mentioned point of difference, the write up is well thought out and rendered for the benefit of the valued participants.

Learned Dr Shri C Devakumar Jain in his mail has given importance to the known phenomenon i.e., moha – delusion, raaga – likes and dhvesha – dislikes which are to be distanced by the aspirant to reach the goal of ending the cycle of birth and death. Such an attempt by him is for those who have not entered into the portals of passionless Jina Dharma and are unfamiliar to it; besides carrying passionate concepts as worship worthy. By and large the mundane souls are passionate and hence Dr. has preferred to present it in that fashion.

Thanks for providing an opportunity to dwell in Dharma Dhyaan and of course, it is also a cause for inflow of karma as it is shubha bhaava.

Attempt made to present the best known and it is likely that it may be falling short of one’s expectation and information. It is earnest and sincere request to bring out the defects and insufficiencies thereby help understanding better.

Welcome for any further clarification.

Truth is of Kevalin and the rest are mine.

Wishing you all the best for the early dawn of Samykathva.

Now, it is, for the participants to come up.

Yours brotherly,
Sreepalan



--- On Thu, 1/22/09, sj <jain...@gmail.com> wrote: