FOSCON 2009
Phil Tomson
>
> It's kind of humorous that someone would complain about an IPA being
> too hoppy... since that's kind of what makes it an IPA ( read here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_Pale_Ale )
Yeah, I thought that was funny too.
But now onto discussion of next year's FOSCON.
First the bad news. Good thing you're sitting down (unless you read
email standing up).
OSCON won't be in Portland next year. It'll be in San Jose. (And,
unfortunately, no amount of protesting is going to be able to change
it because these things are booked way ahead)
Sooo... what does that mean for FOSCON? Do we pass it off to
SanJose.rb (I'm guessing there must be one) or do we do one at a
different time from OSCON next year?
Phil
Phil Tomson
Phil
Thomas Lockney
>
> Then again, I suppose FOSCON could be held during RailsConf next year?
Too bad RailsConf is *also* not going to be in PDX next year...
Phil Tomson
Hadn't heard that... where's it moving?
Phil
Sam Livingston-Gray
>>> Then again, I suppose FOSCON could be held during RailsConf next year?
>>
>> Too bad RailsConf is *also* not going to be in PDX next year...
>
> Hadn't heard that... where's it moving?
Vegas -- at least, that's where Chad Fowler was thinking of moving it.
-Sam
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Well ... here's my suggestion:
1. RubyCentral will sponsor regional Ruby conferences. That's how Ruby
Hoedown, Mountain West, etc., get up and running.
2. Between Seattle and Portland, there is a boatload of Ruby talent and
a number of Ruby-based businesses.
3. There are plenty of places between Portland and Seattle we could have
a conference. Seattle is easier for international travelers to get to,
but other than that, we could do it anywhere on the I-5 corridor that
has a large enough hotel, wireless and a decent microbrewery. My
personal preference is for Olympia, Centralia or Longview, rather than
in Seattle or Portland.
So, since RailsConf isn't here next year, OSCON isn't here next year,
and we have no idea where RubyConf will be, I think the thing to do is
to "elect" a couple of "leaders", meet with the "leaders" of the Seattle
Ruby Brigade, and plan a Pacific Northwest Ruby Conference for sometime
in 2009 outside of the main tourist season (before Memorial Day or after
Labor Day) somewhere between Portland and Seattle.
Here's the Ruby Central documentation on the Regional Conference Grant
program: http://www.rubypal.com/rcg2006.pdf.
By the way, speaking of RubyConf, etc., I am most likely not going to
this year's RubyConf. My paper on Linux I/O performance metric
visualization was accepted at the Computer Measurement Group conference
in December, so I'm gearing up for that. But I'll surely be up for a
regional Ruby conference by next spring. :)
--
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
ruby-perspectives.blogspot.com
"A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems." --
Alfréd Rényi via Paul Erdős
rco...@gmail.com
I'd love to talk with folks a bit more about what was so impressive and different about RubyFringe, and why I think Portland can and should host a similar event next year.
-Lennon
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From: "Phil Tomson" <philt...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:34:47
To: <pdx...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [pdxruby] Re: FOSCON 2009
Phil Tomson
> Since the last report I heard was that RailsConf is also leaving Portland, I think there may be room for FOSCON to stretch out a bit and become a more self-sufficient event. Especially after experiencing RubyFringe, I'm convinced that the locally-organized, sponsor-less conference is the way to go.
>
This sounds good. Without sponsors how did they handle food? Did
they charge a fee?
> I'd love to talk with folks a bit more about what was so impressive and different about RubyFringe, and why I think Portland can and should host a similar event next year.
>
Would be interested in finding out more about your RubyFringe experience.
It's been a while since RubyConf has been on the West Coast.... maybe
we could lobby for it to be in Portland? Last one I went to was
Seattle in 2002.
Phil
Phil Tomson
Seems we tried something like that several years back, and I'm just
not sure that the in-between thing worked out all that well. I'd
suggest that if something like that is done it should be held in
either Portland or Seattle and then the people in the city where it's
not could organize a train ride.
Phil
rco...@gmail.com
It was also a single-track, short-talk (30 minutes max) format, which kept the "slack" factor down to basically zero.
Without the support of a professional conference organization firm, though, the organizers worked for something like seven months planning the thing.
-Lennon
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From: "Phil Tomson" <philt...@gmail.com>
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
> > 3. There are plenty of places between Portland and Seattle we could have
> > a conference. Seattle is easier for international travelers to get to,
> > but other than that, we could do it anywhere on the I-5 corridor that
> > has a large enough hotel, wireless and a decent microbrewery. My
> > personal preference is for Olympia, Centralia or Longview, rather than
> > in Seattle or Portland.
> >
>
> Seems we tried something like that several years back, and I'm just
> not sure that the in-between thing worked out all that well. I'd
> suggest that if something like that is done it should be held in
> either Portland or Seattle and then the people in the city where it's
> not could organize a train ride.
Well then ... in that case ... Portland would be closer for people in
Corvallis or Eugene than Seattle. How big are the Ruby brigades in
Corvallis and Eugene?
Still, I think Portland is a tad on the expensive side, especially for
people flying in. That may be one reason why OSCON and RailsConf have
abandoned us.
Thomas Lockney
<zn...@cesmail.net> wrote:
> Still, I think Portland is a tad on the expensive side, especially for
> people flying in. That may be one reason why OSCON and RailsConf have
> abandoned us.
Um, compared to San Jose (OSCON) and Las Vegas (RailsConf)? I have my
doubts cost was a big issue. But I could be wrong.
As for deciding between Seattle and Portland, again I suspect Portland
would win out on the cost side.
Jerry Hilts
Ben Munat
> RubyConf will be in Orlando.
>
I think Ed meant next year (2009).
b
Phil Tomson
<zn...@cesmail.net> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 14:08 -0700, Phil Tomson wrote:
>
>> > 3. There are plenty of places between Portland and Seattle we could have
>> > a conference. Seattle is easier for international travelers to get to,
>> > but other than that, we could do it anywhere on the I-5 corridor that
>> > has a large enough hotel, wireless and a decent microbrewery. My
>> > personal preference is for Olympia, Centralia or Longview, rather than
>> > in Seattle or Portland.
>> >
>>
>> Seems we tried something like that several years back, and I'm just
>> not sure that the in-between thing worked out all that well. I'd
>> suggest that if something like that is done it should be held in
>> either Portland or Seattle and then the people in the city where it's
>> not could organize a train ride.
>
> Well then ... in that case ... Portland would be closer for people in
> Corvallis or Eugene than Seattle. How big are the Ruby brigades in
> Corvallis and Eugene?
>
> Still, I think Portland is a tad on the expensive side, especially for
> people flying in. That may be one reason why OSCON and RailsConf have
> abandoned us.
>
From what I've been told that was only a small part of the
consideration. The main thing was that they felt that they outgrew
the OCC (Oregon Conv. Ctr). OSCON was held in the south part (the
larger of the two parts) - there is a north part, but it's not well
setup for use with the south part (from what I was told). Also, they
feel they need larger rooms because apparently there were too many
overflow sessions this year (where people were standing out in the
hallway) - I don't recall seeing this, but I guess it happened.
Phil
Reid Beels
> Since the last report I heard was that RailsConf is also leaving
> Portland, I think there may be room for FOSCON to stretch out a bit
> and become a more self-sufficient event. Especially after
> experiencing RubyFringe, I'm convinced that the locally-organized,
> sponsor-less conference is the way to go.
If we see pdx.rb spearheading a larger, self-sufficient, event I'd
like to toss out the suggestion of ditching the FOSCON moniker in
favor of something more a) identifiably NW and b) identifiably Ruby-
related.
rco...@gmail.com
There may well be a place both for the large, sponsored regional conference, and my ideal funky little indie-conf.
-Lennon
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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:58:42
Grant Kruger
Been lurking a while and only been to a couple of meetings. My Ruby
skills are paltry, but I have helped to run conferences many times and
I love the open source world. I was one of the primary players in a
recent DrupalCamp here in Portland. It has bothered me for some time
now that OSCON and RailsConf (and many other tech conferences) are
totally at odds with the open source community. They claim to be all
about Open Source, but they are corporate. Many of our ranks are part
of small companies or are contractors or freelancers. Yet these
conferences ate so expensive that the majority of this crowd seems to
get shut out and mostly those whose company can pay their way end up
going. However, an event run entirely by volunteers run
not-for-profit would a) be more accessible to all because it would be
*much* cheaper, b) be exactly what we want it to be, rather than based
on corporate decisions, c) be more in keeping with the gift economy
aspects of open source and d) be better, yes better, because we'd put
a team in charge of program who want it to be as good as it could be,
rather than just enough powerpoint presentations with catchy titles.
We'd keep what we like, fix what was broken and add what we'd missed.
So maybe their leaving town is an opportunity for us to step into the
gap and fill it with something better? My thinking is to do a more
generic conference that caters to the entire community, with the cool
crowd that we loved seeing at the conferences, though maybe only in
the free parts, but also with high-quality programming that exceeds
what's on offer at most conferences.
And it can be done. I'll be at a conference next week that will have
16 tracks of primary programming, or about 27 tracks overall. It will
have a couple of huge events, an art show, a huge dealers room,
massive exhibits and 20-60 parties every night. And all this is
volunteer run, with nobody making a profit, with no paid staff, and it
costs you $100-$225 for a 5-day event in a convention center,
depending on when you bought your ticket, because it is all run by and
for a community that is also based on the whole pay-it-forward
gift-economy ideology. I'd like to see Portland host something like
that, something that feels open source and is run for us, not for
money. It just needs enough of us to put up our hands and say, "I'll
help." And it can be a Northwest thing traveling from city to city,
being in Portland one year, Seattle the next, San Jose the next. Or
not. We decide.
Best,
Grant
mar...@reality.com
Salmoncon ?
It's ruby with a NW flavor.
-- Markus
John Labovitz
> So maybe their leaving town is an opportunity for us to step into the
> gap and fill it with something better? My thinking is to do a more
> generic conference that caters to the entire community, with the cool
> crowd that we loved seeing at the conferences, though maybe only in
> the free parts, but also with high-quality programming that exceeds
> what's on offer at most conferences.
Great idea.
The Portland area's got such a wonderful mix of tech groups, from the
language-specific like our own pdx.rb, to programming styles/
methodologies groups like pdxfunc, to art/geek groups like dorkbot, to
business/process groups like SAO, OSL, and PSBA. It seems that we
have more than enough talent and energy to pull off something really
interesting.
Let's not call it a "generic" conference, though -- that's not the
strongest marketing term. ;-)
--John
Phil Tomson
>
> On 2 Aug 2008, at 4:25 PM, Grant Kruger wrote:
>
>> So maybe their leaving town is an opportunity for us to step into the
>> gap and fill it with something better? My thinking is to do a more
>> generic conference that caters to the entire community, with the cool
>> crowd that we loved seeing at the conferences, though maybe only in
>> the free parts, but also with high-quality programming that exceeds
>> what's on offer at most conferences.
>
> Great idea.
>
> The Portland area's got such a wonderful mix of tech groups, from the
> language-specific like our own pdx.rb, to programming styles/
> methodologies groups like pdxfunc, to art/geek groups like dorkbot, to
> business/process groups like SAO, OSL, and PSBA. It seems that we
> have more than enough talent and energy to pull off something really
> interesting.
Yeah, I think this would be something we'd want to open up so that
it's not just Ruby-specific.
And I agree that it shouldn't be called "FOSCON" anymore... though
I'm not sure what a good new name would be.
>
> Let's not call it a "generic" conference, though -- that's not the
> strongest marketing term. ;-)
>
GeneriCon! Yes, that sounds very exciting... um, well, maybe not.
Phil
Bob Lehman
I am all for drinking beer and brainstorming Tuesday,
hackacon
The Wrath of Khan.
Rubicon
I think I con
it goes down hill from here -:)
--Bob
Grant Kruger
been giving it some thought. I had thought of Open Can. Open for
Open Source, and Can, well, because it's fun, and we'd be opening up a
can of worms for professionally run cons. Other ideas are:
OpenCon
SourceCon
Open Minds
FOSSage
;)
Grant
--
All the best,
Grant Kruger
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
> Hey,
>
> Been lurking a while and only been to a couple of meetings. My Ruby
> skills are paltry, but I have helped to run conferences many times and
> I love the open source world. I was one of the primary players in a
> recent DrupalCamp here in Portland. It has bothered me for some time
> now that OSCON and RailsConf (and many other tech conferences) are
> totally at odds with the open source community. They claim to be all
> about Open Source, but they are corporate. Many of our ranks are part
> of small companies or are contractors or freelancers. Yet these
> conferences ate so expensive that the majority of this crowd seems to
> get shut out and mostly those whose company can pay their way end up
> going.
Yes, that's a big part of it. For FOSCON, we've always had "sponsors",
but it's decidedly non-corporate. And I would vote to keep whatever we
do, whether just here in PDX or for a wider area, non-corporate /
volunteer-run.
> However, an event run entirely by volunteers run
> not-for-profit would a) be more accessible to all because it would be
> *much* cheaper, b) be exactly what we want it to be, rather than based
> on corporate decisions, c) be more in keeping with the gift economy
> aspects of open source and d) be better, yes better, because we'd put
> a team in charge of program who want it to be as good as it could be,
> rather than just enough powerpoint presentations with catchy titles.
> We'd keep what we like, fix what was broken and add what we'd missed.
I've never been to a RailsConf or an OSCON, but I have been to two
RubyConfs -- Denver and Charlotte -- and both of them seemed less
"corporate" than OSCON, from what I've heard about OSCON at any rate.
>
> So maybe their leaving town is an opportunity for us to step into the
> gap and fill it with something better? My thinking is to do a more
> generic conference that caters to the entire community, with the cool
> crowd that we loved seeing at the conferences, though maybe only in
> the free parts, but also with high-quality programming that exceeds
> what's on offer at most conferences.
Well ... if we want funding from Ruby Central, it would need to be
Ruby-specific. But if we want something generic for multiple open-source
endeavors, we could probably get enough sponsors to make it work. I
would attend anything that
a. I could afford, and
b. Featured technologies that I was interested in.
If I were designing it, I would make it Ruby-specific. I would target a
three-day conference with a single track each day. One day would be
Rails. One day would be test-driven / behavior-driven development and
general Ruby-as-a-scripting-language presentations. The third day would
be devoted to implementations of the Ruby language, benchmarking,
profiling, test suites and language syntax/semantics, etc.
> And it can be done. I'll be at a conference next week that will have
> 16 tracks of primary programming, or about 27 tracks overall. It will
> have a couple of huge events, an art show, a huge dealers room,
> massive exhibits and 20-60 parties every night. And all this is
> volunteer run, with nobody making a profit, with no paid staff, and it
> costs you $100-$225 for a 5-day event in a convention center,
> depending on when you bought your ticket, because it is all run by and
> for a community that is also based on the whole pay-it-forward
> gift-economy ideology.
Can I ask what conference this is? :)
> I'd like to see Portland host something like
> that, something that feels open source and is run for us, not for
> money. It just needs enough of us to put up our hands and say, "I'll
> help." And it can be a Northwest thing traveling from city to city,
> being in Portland one year, Seattle the next, San Jose the next. Or
> not. We decide.
I don't think of San Jose as "Northwest". I'd only be willing to go as
far south as Sacramento. ;) And you've left off Tri-Cities, Spokane,
Boise and Bend.
Thomas Lockney
<zn...@cesmail.net> wrote:
>
> If I were designing it, I would make it Ruby-specific. I would target a
> three-day conference with a single track each day. One day would be
> Rails. One day would be test-driven / behavior-driven development and
> general Ruby-as-a-scripting-language presentations. The third day would
> be devoted to implementations of the Ruby language, benchmarking,
> profiling, test suites and language syntax/semantics, etc.
So, no place for alternatives web frameworks or even the many other
things you can use Ruby for?
I would love to see something that included talks on all the more
interesting areas where Ruby is being used.
~thomas
Grant Kruger
<zn...@cesmail.net> wrote:
> Yes, that's a big part of it. For FOSCON, we've always had "sponsors",
> but it's decidedly non-corporate. And I would vote to keep whatever we
> do, whether just here in PDX or for a wider area, non-corporate /
> volunteer-run.
I might even have another way to get funding that is non-corporate,
but I'm still stewing on it and it would take a big effort.
> Well ... if we want funding from Ruby Central, it would need to be
> Ruby-specific. But if we want something generic for multiple open-source
> endeavors, we could probably get enough sponsors to make it work.
They may offer funds if there is a dedicated track for Ruby, or two,
or three, kind of a conference within a conference. However, less
funds are needed if we a) don't provide food, b) are all volunteer run
and c) if alternative funding can be found.
> I would attend anything that
> a. I could afford, and
> b. Featured technologies that I was interested in.
I think this is true of most of us, for any conference.
> If I were designing it, I would make it Ruby-specific. I would target a
> three-day conference with a single track each day. One day would be
> Rails. One day would be test-driven / behavior-driven development and
> general Ruby-as-a-scripting-language presentations. The third day would
> be devoted to implementations of the Ruby language, benchmarking,
> profiling, test suites and language syntax/semantics, etc.
My interest is in a consolidation of effort from many of the tech
groups, resulting in a conference that is more rounded and programming
that can be much deeper than usual. Fery few of us work with just one
thing. A mixed conference will let us scratch many issues and allow
for a scenario where, for example, a panel could be discussing the
future of web development and have the inventors/leading lights of
Rails, PHP, Drupal, Wordpress and Wiki all in a single discussion.
This kind of cross-pollenation is not possible at a conference for a
single technology.
>> And it can be done. I'll be at a conference next week that will have
>> 16 tracks of primary programming, or about 27 tracks overall. It will
>> have a couple of huge events, an art show, a huge dealers room,
>> massive exhibits and 20-60 parties every night. And all this is
>> volunteer run, with nobody making a profit, with no paid staff, and it
>> costs you $100-$225 for a 5-day event in a convention center,
>> depending on when you bought your ticket, because it is all run by and
>> for a community that is also based on the whole pay-it-forward
>> gift-economy ideology.
>
> Can I ask what conference this is? :)
Denvention, this year's Worldcon, in Denver. Last year was in Yokahma
Japan and next year it's in Montreal Canada. Worldcon is The World
Science Fiction Convention, and also home to The Hugo Awards. This is
the 66th Worldcon and it is entirely volunteer run, with 4000-7000,
and 600-900 volunteers. Their web page is at denvention3.org and
program is at www.denvention3.org/programming/Denvention3_QuickRef_Final.pdf
As a general rule they run much better conferences than the tech
world, but their web pages generally suck real bad. I'm trying to get
them to use the web better and us to run better conferences. Maybe
even trade some of this know-how. There is a big overlap too because
close to half of the attendees at Worldcon are techies.
> I don't think of San Jose as "Northwest". I'd only be willing to go as
> far south as Sacramento. ;) And you've left off Tri-Cities, Spokane,
> Boise and Bend.
I think to start with it should be here in Portland, and from there we
can decide what comes next. We have a huge task just getting the
first one going. There's plenty of time to worry about what comes
next.
Best,
Grant
Ben Munat
>
>
> I am all for drinking beer and brainstorming Tuesday,
> hackacon
> The Wrath of Khan.
> Rubicon
> I think I con
>
>
> it goes down hill from here -:)
>
> --Bob
We can invite a bunch of former felons and call it The Con Con. :-)
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
> So, no place for alternatives web frameworks or even the many other
> things you can use Ruby for?
Well ... OK ... one day for Rails and all the other web frameworks and
ORMs. One day for BDD/TDD and "the many other things you can use Ruby
for". And one day for "syntax, semantics and implementations of the
language."
In fact, since Rails has their own conference, drop Rails from the web
frameworks/ORM day. :)
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
> My interest is in a consolidation of effort from many of the tech
> groups, resulting in a conference that is more rounded and programming
> that can be much deeper than usual. Fery few of us work with just one
> thing. A mixed conference will let us scratch many issues and allow
> for a scenario where, for example, a panel could be discussing the
> future of web development and have the inventors/leading lights of
> Rails, PHP, Drupal, Wordpress and Wiki all in a single discussion.
> This kind of cross-pollenation is not possible at a conference for a
> single technology.
Hmmm ... interesting thought. Well, the main open source projects that
I'm interested in as something deeper than "just a user" are the Linux
kernel, Ruby, the R programming language, Moodle, and to a lesser extent
PostgreSQL, Erlang, Scheme, SBCL, gforth, okl4, llvm and the Gentoo
distro. I don't give a rat's behind about Apache, MySQL, PHP, Drupal,
Wordpress or Python, and I care about Perl only because I use it just
about every day for something. :)
> Denvention, this year's Worldcon, in Denver. Last year was in Yokahma
> Japan and next year it's in Montreal Canada. Worldcon is The World
> Science Fiction Convention, and also home to The Hugo Awards. This is
> the 66th Worldcon and it is entirely volunteer run, with 4000-7000,
> and 600-900 volunteers. Their web page is at denvention3.org and
> program is at www.denvention3.org/programming/Denvention3_QuickRef_Final.pdf
>
> As a general rule they run much better conferences than the tech
> world, but their web pages generally suck real bad. I'm trying to get
> them to use the web better and us to run better conferences. Maybe
> even trade some of this know-how. There is a big overlap too because
> close to half of the attendees at Worldcon are techies.
Ah yes, science fiction conventions. I've only gone to one in my life, a
regional one in the Maryland suburbs of Washington DC / Baltimore back
in the mid-1970s. I must say I enjoyed it, but not enough to make it a
hobby. Hmmm ... digging out my calculator I find 2008 - 66 = 1942. Wow!
In 1942, computers were made out of relays, calculators were the size of
a large typewriter and had hundreds of keys, television existed only in
the laboratory, and it was in December that the first nuclear chain
reaction was created under the grandstands at Stagg Field. How many
Rubyists were even alive in 1942?
> I think to start with it should be here in Portland, and from there we
> can decide what comes next. We have a huge task just getting the
> first one going. There's plenty of time to worry about what comes
> next.
We have a huge task just deciding which technologies to cover and which
ones to leave out. Especially if we want to go back to 1942. :)
Sam Keen
organize a grass roots (less corporate) "OSCON" like event next year
in Portland. I was talking to folks from Seattle and Vancouver BC
during OSCON and they were also hoping Portland would organize such
and event (as they would attend).
We could do mix of scheduled sessions and a bit of barcamp mixed in so
we assure that all topics folks are interested in are covered.
If we agree that it would be more that just ruby/rails, I would
suggest we form a serperate google group dedicated to the planning of
the event.
cheers,
- sam keen
Ben Bleything
> On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 20:01 -0700, Thomas Lockney wrote:
> > So, no place for alternatives web frameworks or even the many other
> > things you can use Ruby for?
>
> Well ... OK ... one day for Rails and all the other web frameworks and
> ORMs. One day for BDD/TDD and "the many other things you can use Ruby
> for". And one day for "syntax, semantics and implementations of the
> language."
How about no days set aside for anything specific? Get some proposals,
pick n days worth, and be done.
Specialized conferences, even if it's only *perceived* to be
specialized, attract fewer people... both speakers and attendees.
Ben
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
But sure, that's true. I guess I'm torn between the "all open source"
and the "Ruby-only" ideas. There are so few open source projects that I
really care about on a deep level that I don't know if I'd attend
something on a "grand" scale.
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
> Great to see folks discussing this already. I'm all in to help
> organize a grass roots (less corporate) "OSCON" like event next year
> in Portland. I was talking to folks from Seattle and Vancouver BC
> during OSCON and they were also hoping Portland would organize such
> and event (as they would attend).
>
> We could do mix of scheduled sessions and a bit of barcamp mixed in so
> we assure that all topics folks are interested in are covered.
>
> If we agree that it would be more that just ruby/rails, I would
> suggest we form a serperate google group dedicated to the planning of
> the event.
>
> cheers,
> - sam keen
How about VOSCON -- Volunteer Open Source CONvention?
Grant Kruger
> If we agree that it would be more that just ruby/rails, I would
> suggest we form a serperate google group dedicated to the planning of
> the event.
I was about to suggest the same thing. I've set up PDXFOSSConPlanning
as an open group for now. Any of you here who want to be a part of
making this happen, as in being a volunteer, please join the group.
It's at http://groups.google.com/group/pdxfossconplanning
Just to emphasise that this would be for an an all volunteer event for
all open source technologies, kind of like what we all wished OSCon
would be. You would join this group if you were prepared to help in
some way. We can do this, and it will be awesome. Please spread the
word in all the other FOSS tech communities you are a part of.
Thanks,
Grant
Ben Bleything
No, RailsConf is a great example. Most of the Ruby people I interact
with on a regular basis just aren't interested.
> But sure, that's true. I guess I'm torn between the "all open source"
> and the "Ruby-only" ideas. There are so few open source projects that I
> really care about on a deep level that I don't know if I'd attend
> something on a "grand" scale.
I think maybe I wasn't clear. I'm suggesting a generic Ruby theme...
just no specialization on specific Ruby topics.
Ben
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Ah ... OK. There are two threads going on here, one for a Ruby
conference and one for a more general open-source one. And the one I
probably would not attend is the more general open-source one.
We can talk about a Pacific Northwest Ruby Conference at Tuesday's
meeting. At some point, we ought to be thinking about whether we want to
do it, and start talking to the Seattle brigade if we do.
Ben Bleything
> Ah ... OK. There are two threads going on here, one for a Ruby
> conference and one for a more general open-source one. And the one I
> probably would not attend is the more general open-source one.
Ah, there sure are. I was focused on the Ruby one.
> We can talk about a Pacific Northwest Ruby Conference at Tuesday's
> meeting. At some point, we ought to be thinking about whether we want to
> do it, and start talking to the Seattle brigade if we do.
*nod* Couldn't agree more.
Ben