What: Monthly Pizza Night
Where: Flying Pie Pizza
7804 SE Stark, Portland, 254-2016
When: Wed, Jan 14, 7PM
Why: Why not?
Directions: You can take I-84 to 82nd Ave, south (left on 82nd) about
1 mile to Stark (after Burnside), right on Stark. Flying Pie is only
a little ways further, on the left. Stark is one-way in this part of
town. I didn't see a parking lot (behind it?), but it looks like the
stree parking is adequate.
The place is completely non-smoking and is in fact not as big as I
remember it. It will be impossible to miss the group if you're new (I
will wear my new CIA hat, but I may have trouble getting there on
time, as I have to drive across town this time from work). I imagine
we'll be sitting in the front, not in the back with the arcade games.
Still, if you're new and nervous about attending or finding the group,
email me.
I asked the help if a big group could come in on a weeknight and was
told that they didn't take reservations but that it shouldn't be a
problem on a weeknight. There are tables that can be pushed together
for a group (a group was there when I stopped in). However, I would
ask the folks who live nearby to get there a few minutes early on Wed,
eh?
They do have beer at Flying Pie - basic stuff, though - and wine.
Food besides pizza is limited to calzones and subs. They have a wide
variety of pizza, though. As before, we'll probably get a few pies,
and you can chip in for just a slice or two if you're on a budget.
Please email me if you plan to intend. You can show up last minute in
any case whether you let me know or not, but I'd just like to get an
idea of attendance. Email me with questions/problems/concerns!
Andrew
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>This month's Pizza Night will be on the east side at Flying Pie
>Pizza. I have eaten there once, long ago, and I don't remember it
>being that great, but people seem to rave about it, so we'll give it a
>whirl.
It probably can't be worse than the pizza at Old Chicago. Y'know, given that
Andrew eats nothing BUT pizza, I'm beginning to suspect that he's keeping the
really good places to himself. C'mon Andrew - howzabout a really kick-ass pie
in February? I'll even forego the barbeque sauce rant so everyone can enjoy
the pizza!
Anyway, I'm in, assuming I'm in town. I haven't checked with Dawn yet, but
I'll bet she'll be there too. I've updated the calendar with the usual maps &
such: http://www.teleport.com/~jhenshaw/pdx/
Zoltan The Pizza Delivery Boy
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"But what would you DO with a brain if you had one?"
Dorothy's question of the Scarecrow in _The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz_
: >This month's Pizza Night will be on the east side at Flying Pie
: >Pizza. I have eaten there once, long ago, and I don't remember it
: >being that great, but people seem to rave about it, so we'll give it a
: >whirl.
: It probably can't be worse than the pizza at Old Chicago. Y'know, given that
: Andrew eats nothing BUT pizza, I'm beginning to suspect that he's keeping the
: really good places to himself. C'mon Andrew - howzabout a really kick-ass pie
: in February? I'll even forego the barbeque sauce rant so everyone can enjoy
: the pizza!
My fav place in town is Marcos on SE Hawthorne, and we've been there
before, but not recently. The problem is, they are small, and have
gotten, uh, smaller since we were last there (Dec 96 before "Mars
Attacks!"). They installed a few video poker machines and took out a
few tables, so the place just isn't big enough, in my opinion, for a
group of more than ten.
Escape From New York is a good runner-up, but the seating situation is
even worse than Marcos - only about two tables in the whole place
(lots of bar seating, though). And parking in NW Portland is
horrible.
And then there's Hot Lips. The Raleigh Hills place is again fairly
small. The downtown place is a lot bigger, but parking down there (at
PSU) on a weeknight is awful. Too bad, because it's so close to me.
Famous Bob's over by Lloyd Center had good pizza the last time we were
there as a group, and it's big enough. I'll probably try there for a
future east side gathering. Karin suggested Izzy's, and I think I
might try them next month on the west side (Beaverton?). Izzy's isn't
my favorite, either, but they are better than Godfathers and Pizza Hut
(a regional chain, at least).
A few people seem to love American Dream pizza on SE Glisan, but I
must confess, the one time I was there, the pizza was awful (so was
the "breadstick"). But you have to remember, my idea of pizza is
"cheese pizza, NY Style". Most people like toppings, and maybe AD has
some awesome toppings?
: Anyway, I'm in, assuming I'm in town. I haven't checked with Dawn yet, but
: I'll bet she'll be there too. I've updated the calendar with the usual maps &
: such: http://www.teleport.com/~jhenshaw/pdx/
Thanks!
My favorite pizza joint? Papa Murphy's, where you get it, bring it
home, and make it in your own oven. Of course, it's no good unless it
is accompanied by good friends, good videos, and lots of chatter. :-)
After Papa Murphy, I think my second favorite pizza would be (believe it
or not) Chucky Cheese. I've always enjoyed their various pizzas a lot.
But, since I'm not particular when it comes to pizza, I'm happy to go
anywhere Andrew decides. What does our lady chef have to say? Dawn?
Madeline
>Jeff Henshaw <jhen...@teleport.com> wrote:
Just what is NY style? I think of it as "regular" pizza; medium/thin
crust, thick, spicy marinara, and cheese (toppings extra). Chicago style
is, I think, thick and meaty. Then there's deep-dish or pan. Am I on
track?
My favorite these days is from Trattoria Mitchelli; unfortunately they are
in Pioneer Square, Seattle. Their pizzas are about 14" diameter, fit for
one; i.e., very thin, bubbly crust. They have pesto as well as marinara
sauce, and the toppings are all loaded with flavor but sparingly applied.
Last time I had BBQ chicken, and I do think that Zoltan might be on to
something there! The margharita is probably my favorite pie there.
Closer to home is Juliano's. Unfortunately, it's only close to my home,
152 and Mill Plain Bvd. in east Vancouver. Julian's a NYer; bought his
oven back there and moved it out here. He does several crusts including
whole wheat, all excellent, and has a typical range of toppings, mostly
with Grateful Dead names (the Big Mike is the gut bomb). Also mildly
unfortunate is Washington's liquor law which makes it a beer-and-wine-only
premise.
Another Vancouver name of note is Smokey's; definitely big enough for
teams, and with a delivery fleet with phunny phones on the roofs, they
make a good, meaty "standard" pizza. It's also pretty easy access, just
off I-205 at Mill Plain.
And in downtown Vancouver, should you find yourself there, be sure to try
Vancouver Pizza Co., a 4-table shop at 22nd and Main. It's very good!
I haven't been to Marco's, but Hot Lips is way, way up there on my list.
I'm thinking there is parking in the PSU garage, maybe free at night, but
I may be confused. <again>
I haven't been to EFNY since they moved off Alder, but they had great pie
there. I learned to ask for slices off the bottom rack, because it made
the crust crispier. I also loved the working drawings for the repair of
Statue of Liberty's hand.
There's a hole-in-the-wall shop about 950 Morrison (south side); another
NY-type place; it had very good slices but was not completely consistent.
I've only had Izzy's once; it was as good as Godfather's or the rest of
the "crowd."
I like Pizzacato "designer pizza" but it's such a re-definition of the
term "pizza" that it's hard to compare.
Anyhoo, I'm hoping to make it to this venue, and I'm guessing that
Katherine will join me. Hope that isn't too vague.
A!
I'm a bad person to ask. I've kinda gotten burnt-out on pizza from eating
too much bad home delivery stuff (Pizza Hut, Round Table, Domino's) over
the years, what with my ex-husband, various male roommates,
cooking-for-a-living-so-I-can't-bear-to-make-even-a-sandwich-on-my-day-off,
etc. I also worked at a place for awhile with a big wood oven and _made_
pizzas n' calzones and such. I don't hate it, but the standard doughy,
tomato-saucey, rubbery cheese thing just doesn't do it for me anymore.
I love the pizza at Pizzicato for that reason, specifically the Quattro
Formaggio: thin, really well-made crust, no tomato sauce, four kinds of
high quality cheese, fresh basil and lots of big, soft, oven-roasted cloves
of garlic. Andrew informs me, however, that "that's not pizza" while making
Mr. Icky Face at me.
I also really, really like the pizza at Hot Lips (which _was_ introduced to
me by Andrew so I know he approves). But to be honest, at the next pizza
night I may just get a salad. I don't want to risk subjecting myself to
another mediocre pizza like we had at Old Chicago. Blech.
Dawn
(who'd a thunk a fat girl would be so picky about food?)
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I have mixed feelings about your response. Having read the
soc.support.fat-acceptance newsgroup for a while, it is important to
remember that fat is an adjective. We (as a society) tend to put
positive/negative connotations with certain adjectives. I didn't take
Dawn's description as a negative as I believe you may have.
I have been described as fat, too, but I remind myself that it's just a
description, as I have also been described as pretty, tall, blonde,
smart, aggressive, independent, selfish, bitchy, kind, etc. A lot of it
has to do with the circumstance and who is doing the describing.
Sara
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>I love the pizza at Pizzicato for that reason, specifically the Quattro
>Formaggio: thin, really well-made crust, no tomato sauce, four kinds of
>high quality cheese, fresh basil and lots of big, soft, oven-roasted cloves
>of garlic. Andrew informs me, however, that "that's not pizza" while making
>Mr. Icky Face at me.
<lol> I was afraid of that; that's why I qualified its category. Andrew
might also not like my fav (Trattoria Mitchelli) for that reason, although
their toppings are more traditional than Pizzacato's. (But they have a
full menu, too, so he could find something else; house specialty is
mussels.)
>I also really, really like the pizza at Hot Lips (which _was_ introduced to
>me by Andrew so I know he approves). But to be honest, at the next pizza
>night I may just get a salad. I don't want to risk subjecting myself to
>another mediocre pizza like we had at Old Chicago. Blech.
Andrew suggested we could chip in for slices; that would prevent you from
getting stuck with a dough-ball you didn't want. Or you can order "extra
thin crust" and I'll help eat it.
>Dawn
>(who'd a thunk a fat girl would be so picky about food?)
Well, my favorite buoyancy blessed babe can be darn near finicky, and you
may get me in big trouble by saying I said so!
A!
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It's a *MIRACLE*!!! A MIRACLE!!
Prince Liam has managed to answer Wednesday's post on Tuesday!!!
A MIRACLE, I tell ya' !!!
:) :) :)
Madeline
> I don't know any fat girls or women.
> I know a few that might be classified as large or Rubenesc(SP)
> but none that are fat. We got to get away from these stereo typical
> ways of describing ourselves. I'm no Hulk Hogan or Sean Connery, But I
>
> think I'm handsome and attractive. Your no Cindy Crawford, but your
> ability to laugh and feel good about yourself is more important.
You are a wonderful man! All of us large women appreciate your
comments!
(Just think... two hundred years ago... The artist were painting us
large and round women, not the skinny women!)
Cathy
as a fat person myself, i find both of mr. howard's posts on
this thread pretty much incomprehensible. "fat" is a word. words have
meanings. "fat" as an adjective means having more than average body-fat
and/or having more than average weight for one's height [okay, the AH
dictionary says "having much or too much fat or flesh" (the definition
of "fat" as a noun having preceded, so this usage is not recursive)].
fatness, like tallness, blondeness, athletic skill, and lots of other
personal qualities or physical attributes, is essentially an objective
quality although there are many borderline cases which can be very
much affected by societal attitudes, indeividual preferences, or the
context in which the word is being used.
obese is another perfectly good word with an essentially
objective menaing, although it is also of course subject to the same
factors mentioned above. it generally means very or extremely fat
and is more often, though by no means always, used pejoratively.
i happen to be both fat and obese. the woman i love is fat
and might well, by some peoples' standards, be considered obese.
the two sentences just preceeding are objectively true and are not
dependent upon my attitude, her attitude, liam's attitude, or
anyone else's attitude toward fat acceptance or toward all the other
wonderful qualities both she and i have. they also aren't affected
in any way by lying about the fact that we're fat nor by pretending
that a perfectly good word has no meaning.
chiwito
who usually fits the
jolly fat man stereotype
better than this
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>It's a *MIRACLE*!!! A MIRACLE!!
>Prince Liam has managed to answer Wednesday's post on Tuesday!!!
>A MIRACLE, I tell ya' !!!
Oh, no. Now he's gonna open that damned church again. I can hear him now.
"Yea, Bruthuhs and Sistuhs, I say unto you, dig deeeep into your pockets and
give to your Seamus - er, Shaman, and support our efforts to go worldwide (and
avoid the local cops)..."
Zoltan Who's Keeping His Hand On His Wallet
> Oh, no. Now he's gonna open that damned church again. ...
Well, you have to admit, with his lovely long hair and beard,
doesn't he resemble "Someone" famous? :) :) :)
It's probably why the masses flock to him.
:)
Madeline
(now doing penance & hoping lightening doesn't strike her)
> nitebird wrote:
> >... doesn't he resemble "Someone" famous? :) :) :)
> ... him being a Charles Manson look-alike ...
Oh, what a silly!! You *know* I meant someone of a much
*higher power* with the initials "JC". :)
> ... I shudder to think of his initiation rites...
Hmmm! Probably some sort of hazing ritual involving mass
quantities of liquid refreshment and lilting Irish music. :)
> Zoltan The Pious
Who? Who?
:)
Madeline
Myself, I prefer the adjective "heavy," but it is entirely a personal
preference... fat implies a certain softness in my mind... I think of
myself as a weightlifter who always has his weight with him ;-)
>
>Liam
>Who is still looking for the Giant Rat of Sumatra.
>
You start by Waiting for the Electrician, or Someone Like Him.
Dear Freinds, How Can You Be in Two Places at Once, When You're Really
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John Candy was a Comedian, John Couger (Mellencamp) was a performer
and James Cagney was an actor. Neither one had higher powers, or
beards even if Mellenhead wore a goatee in an effort to look like
a disassociated member of Generation X.
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I guess he was before your time, youngun'.
M
>Jeff Henshaw wrote:
>>
>> nitebird wrote:
>> >It's a *MIRACLE*!!! A MIRACLE!! ...
>
>> Oh, no. Now he's gonna open that damned church again. ...
>
>
>Well, you have to admit, with his lovely long hair and beard,
>doesn't he resemble "Someone" famous? :) :) :)
Yes, he does. But, y'know, this is my brother, I worry about him. I'm just not
comfortable with him being a Charles Manson look-alike, no matter how much
Oprah pays him.
>It's probably why the masses flock to him.
Well, I hope so. But I shudder to think of his initiation rites....
Zoltan The Pious
Okay, okay!! Jed Clampet!! Okay?
There, I said it!! :)
(sorry, brother, the frisky youngun' made me do it!!
Taarrrrrnnnnation!!!! These youngun's!!!
What's this old world comin' to!!
<hehehe>
M
: BTW: Welcome back to posting you jolly old fat as much as you might
: care longshoreman.wouldn't know of any longsore Crane operator
: positions being open? Want to help a friend? Me,of course.
: That way I can afford to attend your wedding and throw matzo balls at
: you.
wish i could help you with that - the port could always use a
few more lads capable of impersonating John Calhoun in a blond wig, or
Julius Ceasar or whoever the hell nitebird thinks you are [my guess as
to the inspiration for your hair would have been robert plant, but the
initials are all wrong]. the waterfront has always been a haven for
political refugees, once-and-future grifters, and others needing an
environment in which no one gets too nosy about whether one's name is
original or whether any vague hints of avoiding foreign security bodies
are just the whisk[e]y or grounded in fact.
at any rate, you are cordially invited to the wedding
festivities whether you can afford it or not. we'll surely have a
bottle of the juice of the barley set aside for you just in case.
if you don't appear, there's plenty who will help you imbibe it
anyway.
: Liam
: Who is still looking for the Giant Rat of Sumatra.
can't help you here either - i'm just the giant rat of
sue's mantra.
chiwito
not following no shaman les'n
he's from the 24 Hour Church
of Elvis, my spiritual home
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Good to see you posting here.
> ... or whoever the hell nitebird thinks you are ...
In his hair and beard, I meant he *LOOKS like* (not *IS*)
== Jesus Christ. I guess the joke didn't go over too well.
Kind of back-fired on me, didn't it? :)
Can't have *any* fun!!! <pouting!!>
> ... at any rate, you are cordially invited ...
So, you two have set the date? When, when?
Getting nervous yet? Gonna have a BIG bachelor party?
Hey, Susan!! Gonna have a bachelorette party?
Madeline
>Liam Seamus Howard <pop...@seaport.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:33:15 GMT, chi...@netcom.com (brian r.
>>mcdonald) wrote:
>>
>>> chiwito
>>> who usually fits the
>>> jolly fat man stereotype
>>> better than this
>>snip<
>
>Myself, I prefer the adjective "heavy," but it is entirely a personal
>preference... fat implies a certain softness in my mind... I think of
>myself as a weightlifter who always has his weight with him ;-)
Jeez, I can't believe what I started.
For the record, I occasionally refer to myself as "fat" because, well, I
am. I'm also smart, funny, moody, red-haired, hazel-eyed, creative,
sometimes charming, occasionally insensitive, a good cook, a lousy pool
player and (in the right light) pretty good-lookin'. I think to give the
word "fat" so much power to cancel out all my other qualities is a mistake,
which is why I use it occasionally in a matter-of-fact way. I refuse to let
that one three-letter word make me feel lousy about myself. Been there,
done that, don't need no steenking t-shirt.
Although lately I have been fond of the PC phrase "gravitationally
overpresent".
Dawn
nitebird <madelin...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: So, you two have set the date? When, when?
: Getting nervous yet? Gonna have a BIG bachelor party?
We are telling people August. Still looking at places to have it
: Hey, Susan!! Gonna have a bachelorette party?
Hmmm. Didn't think of it!
I am going to the Bridal Fair this weekend to get some ideas!
> So yer sayin it was a JC before Cagney, ......Juan Cortez?
Julio Cortazar?
Auntie Mmm
nitebird wrote:
> -----> Jesus Christ!!!
> I guess he was before your time, youngun'.
Sorry, I only read sci-fi and fantasy, not that kind of fiction.
But I am familiar with the name. Just didn't see any connection
to 'higher power'.
> nitebird wrote:
> >I guess he was before your time, youngun'.
Monark wrote:
> So yer sayin it was a JC before Cagney, ......Juan Cortez?
Julius Ceasar?
Dang, would've been my next guess after Joan Crawford and Jiminy
Cricket!
> nitebird wrote:
> > Okay, okay!! Jed Clampet!! Okay?
> > There, I said it!! :)
> Dang, would've been my next guess after Joan Crawford
> and Jiminy Cricket!
Actually, I hear tell he does a great Jiminy Cricket voice!!
:)
No, not Jacques Costeau either.
nitebird
> nitebird wrote:
> > -----> Jesus Christ!!!
> Sorry, I only read sci-fi and fantasy, not that kind of fiction.
> But I am familiar with the name. Just didn't see any connection
> to 'higher power'.
Oooooo!!! Heretic!!! BAD Boy!!
Poo! Poo!!
<spitting on floor in the 'old world' fashion>
:) :) :)
Madeline
(nervously looking up at the sky for the lightening to strike)
>nitebird wrote:
>
>>-----> Jesus Christ!!!
>
> No need to get upset about it.
>
>>I guess he was before your time, youngun'.
>
> So yer sayin it was a JC before Cagney, ......Juan Cortez?
No, no...she's saying it was a couple millenia ago...You know,
Julius Caesar!
A!
> ... When my testicles hit water THAT cold walking on ANYTHING
> is second nature.
Okay!! I'm crying "unca" "unca" "unca"!!!
I give up! :) :) :)
I'm sorry I ever started this thread. PLEASE let's drop it now.
:)
~~~~
By the way, how come I didn't see Liam's post!!
Did anyone else find that missing from the group's listings?
Just wondering if this thing's ALSO suffering from cold.
Anyway, I'll leave some bandwidth for the rest of you guys today.
(Sorry,I got a little carried away yesterday. :)
Stay warm!! Love you all!
Keep all those puppies and kittens busy on your snow day off from work.
Madeline
: I'm sorry I ever started this thread. PLEASE let's drop it now.
what thread?
chiwito
>Liam
>Who watched the Pope fall asleep while doing a baptism today on the
>news.
You must have bored him considerably, but many TV ministries are like
that. Did you get your channel at auction from Reverend Jim Baker?
A!
Walking on water is easier if you know how to swim.
Monark wrote:
> hehehe BULL walking on water is easy, besides the water
> around here in winter I have been blessed enough to enter
> the north sea. When my testicles hit water THAT cold walking
> on ANYTHING is second nature.
Try going for a swim in Scotland. It's called the North Sea.
Just under a 100 miles it becomes the "arctic ocean"! When that
water crawls up your legs and kisses your scrotum, you make this
sound. Have you ever heard the sound of a donkey having a
boiled potato shoved up it's ass? Thats the sound.
Liam Seamus Howard wrote:
> Now I got to ask.
> What were *YOU* doing shoving a boiled potato up a
> donkey's posterior?
Did I at anytime say it twas *I* doin' the shovin'? ;-)
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