Fw: NSA Caught Spying on Our Own Military

[Gman]

I thought some of you folks (US residents) might be interested in
participating in this with me. :O)

Peace,
Gman

"The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" <Executive...@aclu.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: NSA Caught Spying on Our Own Military

> ************************************************
> We are Constitution Voters
> It's time candidates talk about warrantless NSA spying on
> innocent Americans, including military personnel and international
> relief workers.
>
> Email debate moderator, Bob Schieffer, and tell him to ask the
> candidates about warrantless NSA spying on innocent Americans,
> including military personnel and international relief workers.
> F...@cbsnews.com
> ************************************************
> Dear ACLU Supporter,
>
> Tomorrow night, at the last debate, one thing we can be sure of is
> that Barack Obama and John McCain will go out of their way to tell us
> how much they respect America's fighting men and women. There's a
> simple test that moderator Bob Schieffer can use to see if they mean
> it.
>
> He can ask them how and when they plan to put an end to our
> government's ineffective and unnecessary spying on the personal phone
> calls of innocent Americans, including the phone calls of military
> personnel serving far away from home.
>
> Late last week, two whistle-blowers -- former National Security Agency
> (NSA) military intercept operators -- the people who actually listen
> in on phone calls -- revealed that hundreds of innocent Americans,
> including soldiers and humanitarian workers for the Red Cross and
> Doctors Without Borders, were routinely and intentionally eavesdropped
> on.
>
> It's hard to think of a more insulting way to disrespect those serving
> our nation and the world overseas than intruding on their personal,
> sometimes intimate, phone calls back home.
>
> Email Bob Schieffer, and tell him to ask the candidates about
> warrantless NSA spying on innocent Americans, including military
> personnel and international relief workers.
> F...@cbsnews.com
>
> Anyone vying to be our next Commander in Chief should have a ready
> answer. The only way to stop this reckless spying is to make sure the
> NSA does not have unchecked spying power. That is why the ACLU is
> challenging the FISA Amendments Act with our Amnesty International v.
> McConnell lawsuit brought on behalf of an impressive array of
> journalists, human rights organizations and lawyers.
>
> This misguided law -- rushed through a timid pre-election Congress --
> gives the government nearly unfettered access to the international
> phone calls of Americans without any meaningful judicial oversight.
> Such unchecked and unaccountable power is an outrage and essentially
> authorizes mass, suspicionless, warrantless spying -- exactly what the
> ACLU has been fighting to undo since the Bush administration began its
> illegal warrantless spying program in 2005. Last week's
> revelations about NSA spying on our troops and international relief
> workers makes painfully clear that our government has run amok, spying
> on innocent Americans while claiming to be spying only on suspected
> terrorists.
>
> The American people deserve to know whether our next President is
> committed to bring out-of-control eavesdropping to an end.
>
> Send a message to Mr. Schieffer.
> F...@cbsnews.com
>
> The men and women serving in the military make so many
> sacrifices for our country. They leave home for months -- even years
> -- at a time. They put themselves in harm's way, and some of them
> never return home at all. It is unconscionable that our government has
> turned their most intimate phone calls into fodder for the amusement
> of NSA spies.
>
> That's exactly what's happened according to the NSA whistle-blowers'
> reports. Tomorrow night, Bob Schieffer can ask a simple question and
> let the candidates tell the American public exactly how they are
> planning on bringing out-of-control government spying to an end.
>
> Please send a message to Mr. Schieffer today.
> F...@cbsnews.com
>
> The ACLU is leading the fight to stop out-of-control eavesdropping,
> and we will not yield until we bring this reckless spying to an end.
> Please stand with us today.
>
> In defense of freedom,
>
> Anthony D. Romero
> Executive Director
> ACLU
>
> P.S. The debate happens tomorrow night. Help to ensure Bob Schieffer
> asks about this critical issue. Please pass this along to five
> friends, and take time to send Mr. Schieffer a message right away.
>

[Bob T]

Now that should open a can of worms and not fish bait. How about a threat
on Europeans giving us advise? ;-) :-) :-)

Best,
Bob T

[Gman]

Hi Bob,
I'm actually hoping to not only open up a can, but to spill it all over
the dock and let folks see at least some of what's going on inside. The
only way things are going to improve worldwide is if a majority of the
people take it upon themselves to force the necessary changes in their OWN
back yards. No gov't is going to do it because their interests lie
elsewhere (polar opposite to the 'will of the people' or even what's best
for them).

In this case, the spying doesn't just affect supposed terror groups & US
citizens abroad, it's affecting the entire world. It won't be dismantled
overnight (and not without a fight from those who believe they're 'in
charge'), but we have to start somewhere or we'll all eventually end up
under a worldwide totalitarian rule. Our children and theirs deserve better
from us. :O)

[Bob T]

Gman, you sound like an old dude, 70 here, it looks like one world is
already here. It is not the same place we grew up in. Complacency has done
us in.

Best,
Bob T

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gman" <guitar...@gmail.com>
To: <pctab...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:33 AM
Subject: -=PCTableTalk=- Re: Fw: NSA Caught Spying on Our Own Military

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[Gman]

Bob,
I'm 45, so I'm not yet old, but no longer young. lol

Yes, it does look like it's already upon us, but that's the result of a
public (the true owners of the country) that's been kept in the dark (and
WAY too complacent) for far too long. Still, I don't quite see it as a done
deal just yet (if enough folks would just open their eyes).

Simply put, there are only 545 people who are in a position to make the
rules the rest of us are supposed to follow. The rest of the 'machine'
simply follows those orders. Replace the 545 (it takes 4 years of elections
to do so) and the entire game changes. The article below explains the idea
very succinctly, although I would go farther and say that they are
responsible for the current financial woes of the world.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18568.htm

On a different note, I have had to manually approve these two posts from
you to the group. In other words, you sent these two posts in using an
email addy that is not subbed here. If you have a different addy that IS
subbed, you might want to make note of it. If you're not already subbed
under ANY addy, we can fix that, too. Let me know if you need me to do
anything on my end. :O)

Peace,
Gman

"The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob T" <n4...@bellsouth.net>
To: <pctab...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: -=PCTableTalk=- Re: Fw: NSA Caught Spying on Our Own Military

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[Bob T]

I do not know what the problem is. I hit reply to respond. I subscribed
from your link in PCTT. I do have another addy but it is spamed so that I
only use it for less than preferential communication.
btemp...@bellsouth.net If that is the one subscribed can you switch to
n4...@bellsouth.net Still does not explain why I have been receiving to
n4aoj@
Thanks,
Bob T

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pctab...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:51 PM
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[Bob T]

Gman, here is source header info
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[Gman]

My bad, Bob.

I have the group set to moderate members in order to weed out any Spammers.
I didn't realize that it doesn't automatically reset each member to
unmoderated once I approve a single message, so that gave me the impression
that your addy was not subbed. Sorry for the confusion, but most of it was
mine. lol

You're now set to unfettered access. :O)

Peace,
Gman

"The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob T" <n4...@bellsouth.net>
To: <pctab...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: -=PCTableTalk=- Re: Fw: NSA Caught Spying on Our Own Military

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