I have an opportunity to get some great sunrise photos. We have too many power lines, trees, etc. that get in the way around the house. I can get the photos that are clear without having to edit them. Our church parking lot faces east so the sun will come up over a ridge about 300 yards away. My question: As noted below, I have the T7 and the listed lenses. What can I do or set the camera to prevent frying the insides? Thanks. Will share a photo or two.
I have the same camera and shooting sunrises and sunsets can be challenging. First of all, I don't think shooting into a sunrise will damage the camera or the sensor unless you do so on Bulb for very long exposure. A series of exposures for a fraction of a second each should be OK but perhaps others who are more knowledgable can provide more insight into this.
With the camera on a tripod, I would suggest using exposure compensation and auto-bracketing as was discussed in the above reference thread and then (I have yet to do this for sunrise/sunset photos but I will soon), using the HDR Composting Tool in Canon DPP4 to combine the bracketed sets into one HDR image and see what happens.
The advice from ebiggs1 on that thread was an "Ahah!" moment and in playing with DPP4, I've found you can use the HDR Composting Tool for bracketed JPEG or RAW images straight out of the camera (I've played with HDR composting 3 JPEG images or 3 RAW images, but not a combination of JPEG and RAW images, but that may work as well - who knows?). ebiggs1 highly recommends using RAW images, but I'm still trying to teach myself how to do so in DPP4 and learning DPP4 in general.
What mode are you planning to shoot in? If you choose something like Av mode, the camera's exposure will likely under-expose the image, which can be effective, but you can increase the exposure compensation gradually to brighten that up with follow-up images.
Normally, shooting a sunrise and sunset should not pose risks to your camera sensor because at a low declination there is much more atmosphere between you and the sun. Secondly, well before you burn out the camera sensor, you should have overexposed the image, hence my suggestion about using Av mode.
As a reminder, this group is purely devoted to nighttime images. We've been getting a lot of submissions of sunset/sunrise images, which can't be added to the group pool. From the group rules:
Don't post dusk and sunrise/sunset images. If the sun is in the image it does not belong in this group. If the sky is orange or pink because of the setting/rising sun, it does not belong in the group. Midnight sun is still sun. Images with a sunset, sunrise, dusk, etc. tags will be deleted without further consideration.That's not to say that sunsets and sunrises aren't lovely -- but there are more appropriate groups for them.
Originally posted at 9:01AM, 24 March 2011 PST(permalink)
fotosniper edited this topic ages ago.
Would those images count?
No. Here's the relevant text from the front page:
Don't post dusk and sunrise/sunset images. If the sun is in the image it does not belong in this group. If the sky is orange or pink because of the setting/rising sun, it does not belong in the group. Midnight sun is still sun. Images with a sunset, sunrise, dusk, etc. tags will be deleted without further consideration.
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its subjective. i know that i have allowed images with very blue and slight pink and orange skies. but those tend to have other elements in the shot and the sky does not seam to be the main subject. definitly no shot that has the sun just out of view on the horizon.
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It's like the old "What is pornography?" question. The same answer applies: "I know it when I see it."
I probably would have let in those 3 blue hour images because they have a "night aesthetic." But some of these images that walk the line are pretty subjective and with 6+ active moderators here, opinions will vary.
But it's doubtful that any of the mods here would have accepted Jeffrey's pink sky. It's clearly a sunset, not a "night" image.
To those posting the images, ask yourself "Is this borderline?" If so, don't be surprised if it doesn't make the cut. Don't take it personally!
The aesthetic of this group is for images shot in the full dark of night, not magic, golden or blue "hours."
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Yeah, and remember that if an image is denied, it's not because we think that it was a terrible image. We don't accept/deny based on our opinions of the quality of an image. If it's a terrible image but it meets the criteria of being a night image, it'll be accepted. If it's the most beautiful sunset that we've ever seen.. filled with HDR mastery, exceptional Photoshop skills, perfect exposure.. it'll be denied.
Remember also, that this group gets sometimes hundreds of images a day. We usually judge whether or not an image is night or not based on the thumbnail. Many times, we'll open a full image to really look at something that's borderline. Sometimes we'll even check exposure information.
If you submit an image and it doesn't get accepted and you think it should have been, there's a thread here that you can post to asking for explanation.
But, as I said.. remember.. it's not a judgement based on our opinion of the quality of the image. Just its relevance to the group.
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Xenedis -- "Night" varies due to the seasonal shifts as the Earth goes around the Sun. Your statement
An image taken at 8pm (night, by anyone's definition) during daylight savings time would be rejected on the basis that it looks like it was taken during the day. isn't exactly correct. 8pm isn't considered "night" in many areas (with possible local exceptions). Heck, where I live (we have DST) the Sun goes down after 9pm in the summer. And Twilight doesn't end until after 11pm. So 8pm sure isn't "night." :)
Now, when it's winter in the N. Hemisphere, the Sun goes down at my location before 6pm, so 8pm is "night".
Just blame it all on the tilt of the Earth's axis. :)
The subject of "what is night" came up a few years ago. It varies where you are on the planet. What isn't variable is that photos with the sun visible aren't allowed, nor "twilight" images.
As to the image you posted in this thread, it would come up in the queue with it's title "The Midnight Sun." Some might reject it because you have the word "Sun" in the title.
If something looks ambiguous, I will look at the image closer, just to ascertain it was take at night. For your image here, if I didn't see the "Sun" in the title, I would have looked at the image, where I would have seen via your EXIF data that it was a long exposure, and that the stars are trailing. So I would let it in the pool.
Of course, this is my reasoning.
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Just about anything with star trails gets accepted.. you can't do star trails during anything other than night. Bright moonlight images are fine. There's usually a visible difference in the light quality. Moonlight has a whiter cast to it and leaves a lot more shadows.
And, regarding that image, I'd have clicked in for the full size and seen the star trails. The color temperature immediately suggested night, in which case I go in to see if there's stars or trails. Titling it "The Midnight Sun" wouldn't have been a disqualifier for me.
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Moonshine, no problem, I'd accept it in an instant, don't even need to go large on that one.
When I do the moderation queue I use the thumbnails and approve or deny 90% of the shots from the thumbnails. Anything I'm unsure about I leave. Once I have finished the "easy" ones, I open up the ones I left and look at them large. Sometimes I still can't decide, and look at the EXIF. I can't tell you how annoying not having EXIF is on an "not sure" photograph. I then have to base my decision on other factors.
If an image is submitted to 50+ groups, then I tend to suspect the photographer of being a group whore, and I tend to look at the image with far more chance of a "deny".
The chances of a deny greatly increase if I see mutually exclusive groups in their group list, like "old photographers" and "young photographers". Yes, I know they have nothing to do with night shots, but it gives me a feel for the amount of thought the photographer has given to where he has submitted an image, if any at all. If he didn't spend any time deciding, I begrudge spending more time considering an image than he did when spamming all the groups!
Other things that will see me reject a borderline image are titles/descriptions/tags containing "bad" words such as "sunset", as will seeing an image submitted to mutually exclusive groups containing words such as sunset, sunrise etc.
Having said that, I'm not a moderator from hell (well not in this group at least!), if I can't chose, I leave it in the pending queue for the next moderator to come along.
As for 8pm being night, nope, not for me at the moment. I don't rely on the time, most camera clocks are set wrong anyway, so no point looking at that in the EXIF. It's about the look and feel of the image. I feel sorry for those far north in Norway and Iceland, they get several months where it is impossible to shoot a night shot during the summer... Although they get a couple of months where every outside shot is a night shot during the winter... Pity it's just too damn cold to go outside!
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SteveSnaps edited this topic ages ago.
Both of your images are clearly night shots that easily fall into this group's aesthetic. Star trails, cloud movement and moonlight are all strongly evocative of night photography, regardless of how much you let the image burn in.
Both of those images are welcome here and would be approved 100% of the time if submitted.
Remember, it's not about the numerical time of day. Bottom line: Is it dark out? Is the sun still directly creating color in the sky and clouds?
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