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Ward Cunningham

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May 7, 2012, 11:34:14 AM5/7/12
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Hello.

I've been invited to this mailing list after engaging in a "hallway conversation" with Michael, Theo and Lev.

I've skimmed the archive but don't have a good idea who else is here. Others please speak up.

Through the years I've created pattern repository implementations in WildCard, HyperCard, perl and now javascript. I've always focused on the obvious hierarchal/hypertextual nature of APL and especially the generative properties claimed for the form. Special features of each of my implementation are as follows:

* WildCard (HyperCard prototype): Mixed text and image. Layered navigation.

* HyperCard: Links to unwritten patterns (implemented via find primitive).

* perl: Unrestrained collaboration on the web (anyone can edit).

* javascript: Cross-Origin Resource Sharing (CORS) and DOM based APIs

I've created a sample repository filled with the APL content Theo and Lev have shared via github. I've distributed all the code to do this via github but haven't hosted an instance loaded with the content. The hallway conversation included screen shots of the javascript running on my laptop. I don't believe image attachments will pass through Google Groups or I would pass them on here.

I remain strongly interested in generative structures. I appreciate the landmark work represented by APL. I especially like that APL suggests a role for average people in the generative process as well as respect for the outcomes of previous generations wether they can be explained through reduction or not.

Best regards. -- Ward


Eliezer Israel

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May 7, 2012, 1:38:23 PM5/7/12
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By way of intro -

I'm a veteran of some high tech startups and some non profits.  Skills in data models, relatively complex website building, and small business management.  

A coworker pointed me toward APL about 10 years ago, and it planted a seed that has grown ever since.  Now, my eyes are on urbanism, complexity, and how we - as a species - are building the planet. 

In conversations with Yodan Rofe earlier this year, I lamented that there was no online canonical address for the patterns in APL.  He told me I wasn't alone.

Of late, been traveling around, stirring the pot, working to rally the tribe of folks who have been inspired by these works and who care about how we build on this planet.

Lev

Theo Armour

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May 8, 2012, 3:30:45 AM5/8/12
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Hi Ward and Everybody

>> Others please speak up.

I've only ever met Lev - and that just for a few hours.

No matter. The important thing is finding people who want to pitch in from
time to time in advancing a common-ish agenda.

Here's this moment's take on mine:

I start by trying to help with going from 1 to 2.

1. Old school: Don't give people fish, give people fishing poles
2. New school: Don't give people fishing poles, show them how to make
fishing poles (or perhaps how to go physhing ;-)

I've been scripting or specifying graphics/CAD apps since the early
eighties.

Always apps to be used to design/make the things people end up using.

Now whether you are constructing, designing or coding you end up doing the
same things over again.

Repeatedly re-designing the repetitive tasks seems to be my pattern.

**

These days my hero is Mr.doob and his Three.js.

I moderate these Subreddits:
http://www.reddit.com/r/webgl/
http://www.reddit.com/r/threejs/

Please join.

**

I will not rest fully until there's a APIs/Apps that looks at stuff in the
world and give us notice of patterns that may be occuring and are able to
demonstrate those patterns in 3D visualizations with enough clarity that we
end up designing more effectively. Greatness In/Greatness Out...

Theo

Bruno Postle

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May 8, 2012, 4:06:56 PM5/8/12
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On 7 May 2012 16:34, Ward Cunningham <wa...@c2.com> wrote:
>
> I've been invited to this mailing list after engaging in a "hallway conversation" with Michael, Theo and Lev.
>
> I've skimmed the archive but don't have a good idea who else is here. Others please speak up.

I'm here, though I have another patterns-related project I _really_
should be working-on instead. I do intend to help if any of my skills
are appropriate, since I've long thought that pattern languages needed
to be 'freed'.

So a long time ago I went to architecture school, but could never
accept all the theory so this didn't turn out so well. Since then I
had some success making portable theatres, had a software development
business (mostly perl), have had a long-time involvement with free
software, in particular with the Hugin panorama stitcher but also lots
of other stuff, and currently feed the kids making monumental
sculptures (yes, I know...).

--
Bruno

Eliezer Israel

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May 8, 2012, 4:10:43 PM5/8/12
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Bruno  -

Can you say a bit about your other project?

Theo Armour

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May 8, 2012, 4:12:43 PM5/8/12
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Bruno

 

>> Can you say a bit about your other project

 

Or supply a link…

 

Theo

Bruno Postle

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May 8, 2012, 4:52:27 PM5/8/12
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On Tue 08-May-2012 at 13:12 -0700, Theo Armour wrote:
> Bruno
> > > Can you say a bit about your other project
>
> Or supply a link.

It's a project that dates back a long time, to the time of my first
reading of a Pattern Language at architecture school - When I realised
that buildings were probably better off without me designing them.
It's a machine for evolving buildings, but such a thing needs a
quantitative approach to patterns, and I can see why there would be
resistance to this idea.

There is an unfinished PDF here, it's in the form of a paper but I'm
not in academia so really I just like writing in LaTeX:
https://bitbucket.org/brunopostle/adaptive-design/src/default/urb.pdf

All the code is on bitbucket: https://bitbucket.org/brunopostle/urb

--
Bruno

Theo Armour

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May 8, 2012, 8:30:01 PM5/8/12
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Hi Lev

You certainly have picked out a fascinating cohort of advisors.

Nothing in common and perhaps so much in common.

If we do our job right we will end up with something none us could have done by ourselves.

Theo

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