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No idea - best to raise this question on the forums and maybe get it FAQ'd
On 18 August 2014 20:39, Joe Jungers <joe.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
My thought is that you'd treat your Dex-based damage just like you'd treat damage derived from Str.Off-hand => 1/2 [stat mod], unless you have Double Slice.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM, DavidC <lucian...@gmail.com> wrote:
From ACG:Slashing Grace (Combat)You can stab your enemies with your sword or anotherslashing weapon.Prerequisites: Dex 13, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focuswith chosen weapon.Benefit: Choose one kind of one-handed slashingweapon (such as the longsword). When wielding yourchosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as aone-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats andclass abilities that require such a weapon (such as aswashbuckler’s or a duelist’s precise strike) and you canadd your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strengthmodifier to that weapon’s damage. The weapon must beone appropriate for your size.How does this interact with Two-Weapon fighting? Do you only add 1/2 your Dex bonus to your off-handed weapon or the entire bonus? If only half is added, would the Double Slice feat allow you to add your full Dex?
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Did they change it? I don't remember it adding dex to dmg in the play test version.
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Pre-requisites for Slashing Grace from the ACG : Dex 13, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus with
selected weapon
On 30 August 2014 17:12, DavidC <lucian...@gmail.com> wrote:
John, where in the feat does it say you have to be able to use weapon finesse with the weapon you are using Slashing Grace with?
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 01:25:33 UTC-4, John Tomblin wrote:I looked into this and since you need a weapon that can be finessed but also has to be one-handed (not light, not two-handed) and of your size the only weapon it works with is the dueling sword. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/sword-dueling
Sucks but an agile weapon works basically the same so I guess it's not a huge deal with regard to the dex bonus.
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It takes some feats to get into (probably not worth it) but it is also possible to get dex to damage with a lance as a Cavalier. Taking Weapon Focus (Sibat) and Slashing Grace (Sibat) and then taking the human feat Martial Versatility will open up the entire Spear weapon group to be used with Slashing Grace. The only specification that applies at that point is that you wield the weapon 1-handed to achieve the benefits, which a Cavalier can do with a lance while mounted.
Martial Versatility
"Choose one combat feat you know that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus). You can use that feat with any weapon within the same weapon group."
And since you can apply it with any weapon in that group, it applies.
As I said, it's not the most practical thing, but the important part is that you /can/.
Prerequisite(s): Dex 13, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus with chosen weapon.
Benefit: Choose one kind of one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add yourDexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size.
You would not need Weapon Focus with the whole weapon group. Weapon focus is only a prerequisite for obtaining the feat, not for making it function.
As I said, it's not the most practical thing, but the important part is that you /can/.
Let's shift to an example. Let's say a hypothetical class granted you Slashing Grace as a bonus feat without needing to meet the prerequisites. Can you not use it because you never took or needed Weapon Focus? Of course you can use it! This is because the weapon is chosen by Slashing Grace, not Weapon Focus, which is ONLY a prerequisite for /obtaining/ the feat.
Again, that is a prerequisite for obtaining Slashing Grace. You can't take WF (Longsword) and use it to fulfill the prerequisite of Slashing Grace (Whip). The "chosen weapon" is defined by what you choose with Slashing Grace, not with Weapon Focus. Weapon Focus only limits you as far as you need it as a prerequisite.
Let's shift to an example. Let's say a hypothetical class granted you Slashing Grace as a bonus feat without needing to meet the prerequisites. Can you not use it because you never took or needed Weapon Focus? Of course you can use it! This is because the weapon is chosen by Slashing Grace, not Weapon Focus, which is ONLY a prerequisite for /obtaining/ the feat.
Again, that is a prerequisite for obtaining the feat. You're trying to tie in prerequisites to the functionality, which prerequisites do not do. "Weapon Focus with the chosen weapon" means the weapon chosen by Slashing Grace, not the weapon chosen by Weapon Focus. It is only a prerequisite. If the rules text stated that you need to have Weapon Focus with the weapon, you would be correct, however they do not.
By your ruling, my bonus feat example would not be able to benefit from Slashing Grace as a bonus feat, because a weapon was never chosen by weapon focus. But considering that the weapon is chosen by Slashing Grace and NOT weapon focus, you are wrong.
And actually, yes, you can have Weapon Focus, and by extension Slashing Grace, without even being proficient with the weapon, thanks to Martial Versatility.
This is, right here, the part of the feat that even SAYS you choose the weapon with Slashing Grace.
"Choose one"
"Chosen weapon"
If you can bypass the prerequisites, then the prerequisites are irrelevant. If you have Weapon Focus (Longsword), then take Martial Versatility, you would gain the benefits of Weapon Focus for all heavy blades, even ones you are not proficient in. Is it dumb and impractical? Absolutely. Can it be done? Yes.
Choose one type of weapon. You can also choose unarmed strike or grapple (or ray, if you are a spellcaster) as your weapon for the purposes of this feat.
Prerequisites: Proficiency with selected weapon, base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on all attack rolls you make using the selected weapon.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon.
You further broaden your study of weapons to encompass multiple similar weapons.
Prerequisites: Fighter level 4th, human.
Benefit: Choose one combat feat you know that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus). You can use that feat with any weapon within the same weapon group.
Special: You may take this feat more than once. Each time it applies to a different feat.
I don't see where MV says you can use it on a weapon you are not proficient with. You are applying Weapon Focus to a group of weapons, but, per Weapon Focus, it can only be applied to weapons with which you are proficient. All it does is change the target from "one type of weapon" to "one weapon group". If the specific weapon type doesn't qualify for Weapon Focus, it wouldn't qualify for the MV version.
Are you neglecting the rule which covers all feats that states if you do not satisfy the prereq at the time the feat doesn't work?
Example: str 11. Belt of str +2. Power attack.
Could that combination of bits power attack in an anti magic field?
Incorrect. Again, you are mixing prerequisites into the functionality of the feats which are not what prerequisites are. You have to have proficiency before you can take Weapon Focus as a feat, but you do not need proficiency to actually use Weapon Focus. Prerequisites and Rules Text are two completely different totally separate things. Nowhere in Weapon Focus' Rules Text does it say you have to be proficient. Proficiency is ONLY a prerequisite to OBTAIN the feat.
The weapon is indeed still chosen by Slashing Grace, not Weapon Focus, regardless. But as per that rule, it definitely would not work. I was wrong, wronger than wrong, and I concede. Apologies for wasting your time, and a second apology for the attack on your character.
Regardless, it is still possible, it's just one more feat than I thought.