Looking for Players (Rules Lawyers need not apply)

[Connar Stone]

Hello everyone, 

Its been a lot time since I've been on the forums. Lately I have come to a bit of a realization that some of the people I have been playing with 
do not understand what pathfinder, D&D, and role-playing games are all about (at least not in the sense that I do). Unfortunately this realization has caused 

a bit of a blow up with these people so much so that we are no longer friends. I cannot relate to them, and they to me because their entire lives

revolve around the game and I cannot cope with the way they play, especially when everything turns into an argument. 

I have been GMing games such as Pathfinder and 2nd Ed. D&D for about 10 years, and I have seen many players come and go, but the ones that were truly good at the game 

weren't the ones with the best stats, they weren't the ones with the most damage or the ones that could quote every line of the rulebook; it was the 

players that went along with the story, interacted with people, said meaningful lines or quippy/sappy one-liners that made everyone at the table laugh, 

cry, or go "wow!", it was the players that were mature and thought outside the box when it came to an encounter instead of throwing money at it or just attacking it on sight!

It was the players that made the game fun to play and didn't let it get bogged down by all of the rules. It was the players that understood that the GM is the

final arbiter of ALL decisions and didnt argue every step of the way, or whined when they didn't get what they wanted. It was the players that were thankful for the 

items they had and DID NOT need to craft armor and weapons and wonderous items to make their characters feel important and powerful. I am looking for players like this. 

I have a couple players already that make a good impact on the game and are decent players in all of these respects.I as a GM will not tolerate any more 

rules lawyering, power gaming, or gamist players, in my games.. I am done with them. 

That all being said, I have known this community before and I know that there are some players that share these same gaming values, if you are interested in joining our gaming

group and you feel that you meet the criterea above, I emplore you to apply here in the thread. We probably wont jump right into a campaign and we may have a few 

trial games to start just so players get a feel for who they are playing with. Although I do plan to run in the pathfinder platform, the rules will not be run as written 

namely because the rules are broken as written especially when so much additional content has been added. Our group uses skype and maptools for play. 

- Thank you for your time

[Michael Meunier]

I'm looking for a game, depending on day/time and exactly what you have in mind. 

Michael T. Meunier

"No one in this world, so far as I know...has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby" - H. L. Mencken

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[Connar Stone]

It depends. I suspect that discussions of times and dates may come up once we have enough people to make a game viable.

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[Connar Stone]

As far as a game, either an AP or something homebrewed.

[David Silver]

As an unrepentant lawful good rules lawyer, I'm out. 

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Connar Stone <sto...@eou.edu> wrote:

As far as a game, either an AP or something homebrewed.

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[Tsriel]

Unless you're specifically recruiting for a Pathfinder Society group, you're kinda in the wrong spot mate. You could try the Paizo forums, recruitment forums at Roll20, Maptool or any VTT focused tool. There's also the forums at ENworld. Good luck.

[Roberto S.]

What Tsriel said.

[David Santana]

While I agree that this is the wrong forum to look for non PFS play,  I think at least the argument might be worthwhile to look at.

I stopped judging here because I ran across too many power gamers bent on "winning" the game instead of playing it. The Pathfinder Society is abot cooperation and exploration,  not to support a group of 'murder hobos' Trying to prove tgey can do 200+ damage without even trying.

I won't be joining this group.  Too busy with home groups and APs. But still I would like to see the opinions on experience gamers vs power gamers

D. Santana
VLt NYC

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[Jonathan Choy]

I don't care how hard people want to lean on the "I-Win" buttons as long as they make the table more fun for the other 3 to 7 people sitting around it.

If you find you don't like the players who have a definition of fun that's farther away from yours - don't gm for them. Being selective with who you will welcome to your table is not a responsibility you give up in order to run games for PFS. It's more important to have a group that enjoys the game together than it is to seat everyone who is clamoring for a seat. It's also important to try to find seats for everyone, and matching up GMs who CAN embrace the theorycrafters and have fun with them at the table with like minded players is a great thing for everybody.

Certainly there's little need to post a wall of text that purports to be a recruitment post but read to me as yet another a "I am going to judge you for not gaming like I do". People look for different stuff in their games, and that's OK. 

[Kai Younger]

I would love to play an adventure path or game on Friday or Sunday, and a good one might be king maker.

[David Santana]

I guess this is not the forum to have a philosophical discussion of what constitutes gaming. I do noticr how people _ho lean on the I-win button dont leave much for the other players at the table. Keeping the I chose who I PFS for model, how would you feel if that email WAS directed foe PFS play?

[Jonathan Choy]

Off the cuff:

"Forming a group of narrative-focused gamers to play together in a collaborative team of players of interesting Pathfinder Agents. As we form, we'll talk about what we want out of the sessions before we schedule."

If you were recruiting for not-PFS-play, replace Pathfinder Agents with characters, or specific types of characters to slant toward the AP you want to run...

[David Santana]

Well, it wasn't my email nor would I have posted here for such a thing. I f I were, I would hand pick my players no post on a forum. But that is besides the point.

What id like to know is if the there are power gamers who see themselves as role players and whether that is the core play of the game instead of the soical aspects of role playing

[Jonathan Choy]

Aside from myself, I know some other narrative focused power gamers are out there. It's a narrow subset - we want stories where the "good guys" win but get interesting decisions along the way, and interesting stuff to interact with along the way that the GM can have fun roleplaying.

Crushing combats is a means to seeing what the story is. Delves suck. Bonekeep sucks especially hard.

And even as one of its members, it seems like a really weird combination of motivations and results.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:29 AM, David Santana <wyvernnsil...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, it wasn't my email nor would I have posted here for such a thing. I f I were, I would hand pick my players no post on a forum. But that is besides the point.

What id like to know is if the there are power gamers who see themselves as role players and whether that is the core play of the game instead of the soical aspects of role playing

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[Paul Jackson]

I haven't a clue if I'd be a good or bad fit for the original poster.
@Connar

I haven't a clue if I'd be a good fit or not.

I like to roleplay, I don't want to overpower encounters, I acknowledge that the GM should sometimes change the rules.

I also want the rules to be mostly followed and not arbitrarily and inconsistently changed on a whim, I mostly dislike one liners (love humour, but one liners rarely provide it), and don't want to be totally equipment starved.

It is very unclear but you come off more as a control freak than a cooperative GM. You could just be overreacting to bad players but, as written, it seems that you have no interest in compromise, you will make every decision yourself and without discussing it in advance.

Perhaps you'd address some of my concerns? Or tell me that I'd be a lousy fit

[Matt Haddix]

I suppose I'd fall under that classification, though I don't necessarily consider myself a "powergamer" per se.  I try to make my characters have interesting motivations and personalities, but I'm also interested in having them be mechanically solid.. Pathfinder is a game with a ton of options. The problem is, most of those options are terrible. Just because someone chooses to take, say, Power Attack instead of Skill Focus (Appraise) doesn't mean they're not interested in roleplaying. It just means they prefer to roleplay as someone competent.  

Personally I don't have an interest in crushing combats.  What I wish is that scenario writers would have a better handle on what a moderately optimized group of characters can accomplish and write scenarios that provide an adequate challenge. 

[Iammars]

We have always allowed non PFS play to be advertised here - so long as the call for games doesn't drown out the PFS games.

Also, if a game isn't for you - just don't respond. We don't need people trying to educate the OP as to why he's wrong if they aren't even going to participate. Just walk away. (figuratively)

[Roberto S.]

Sits back and eats some popcorn.

[Connar Stone]

Please don't misunderstand this post. This thread was meant as a place to find players and to be honest I think a lot of you are wrong about the community here because the players I know that share these values are people I met here, so I think I did come to the right place, but this is beside the point. This post was not meant to drive people away so much as include people of a like mind set. The people I have stopped playing with saw themselves as role-players when in reality they didn't care about the game so much as they did their characters as a stat block, they would say one thing then do something else. I'm not looking for that.

@ Tsriel, this thread has a "Non-PFS" tag... so I think you sir are in the wrong place, although thanks for the recommended sites, I may post in some of those as well.

@ Jonathan choy, I am not judging anyone, if you feel judged here then you probably don't fit in this thread and probably shouldn't have replied in the first place, I am simply looking for other people that want to play the game the same way I do, and honestly for the same reason you stated, there's no issue with that. I wouldn't get on a thread where someone was looking for a group of power gaming min maxers and say "i feel judged", because that is NOT what I am looking for and I would have no reason for being there.

@ Paul Jackson, quite the opposite Paul, I relish in giving my players equipment especially when I think they need or deserve it, but when a synthesist summoner can and wants to attain an AC of 50 just because he can, I draw the line in the sand. There is a lot more to that explanation but I won't elaborate. I am a very cooperative GM, however I am not a pushover, if something stinks of cheese to high heaven I'm probably going to turn down whatever it is that you are trying to do regardless of what the rules say, but I will talk it over with you first. The game isn't meant to be run by the players, its meant to be run by the GM, unfortunately a lot of players lose sight of that and think because there is a rule in the book that they should be able to do it regardless of how the GM feels about it. It is however, the job of the GM to provide a consistent set of rules instead of changing them every five seconds. Sometimes you play for hours and then all of a sudden something occurs that might spawn a rule change, players have to be willing to roll with those decisions even if its not what benefits their character.

@ Matt Haddix, There is no problem with making characters "solid" to survive, making them ridiculous specifically for the purpose of "crushing" combats I think defeats the purpose of the game, combat is only one aspect of pathfinder, unfortunately a lot of people believe it is the ONLY aspect, And yes some encounters are meant to be less challenging than others, but when a group runs through the game like a charging bull slaughtering anything and everything in their path (even if there was the possibility of a non-combat encounter) due to broken rules and broken equipment and power hungry players, whats the point in even running?

[Connar Stone]

On Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:07:14 AM UTC-7, Kai Younger wrote:

I would love to play an adventure path or game on Friday or Sunday, and a good one might be king maker.

@ kai, I have run kingmaker once before, and played in it up to book 3 and I know at least one other person in my group has played it about that far as well, so I'm not sure that it would be the best AP to start with, especially considering that the kingdom building aspect of the game can get very mechanical. If you are still interested and "ok" with chatting about it, I'd be happy to send you a contact request on skype.

[Kai Younger]

I don't really care about what adventure we play, I just want to play that at some point, but i'm interested even if we don't play that. Email is kyounger(at)communityschool(dot)org

[Paul Harries]

Hi

Even when it meant a 'guest gm' taking over a part of a campaign, changing the rules, then ending in an argument online when the players just wanted to talk in the game thread (Out of game time).

Don't worry Connor - I wouldn't dream of joining anything you run ATM.

[Keht]

You ever try to pull a string out of a cats but?

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[Connar Stone]

I discuss things with players all the time paul, but when all the players do is argue when their characters don't get what they want, Im not going to run for you.

I dont understand why do feel you have to start this paul? Its not nessecary for you to come on here like that and yet here you are, this is the kind of crap I hate and its one of the reasons I dont want to play with you anymore, go away Paul H.

[Keht]

It's hard... they scratch and make all kinds of funny noises.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Connar Stone <sto...@eou.edu> wrote:

I discuss things with players all the time paul, but when all the players do is argue when their characters don't get what they want, Im not going to run for you.

I dont understand why do feel you have to start this paul? Its not nessecary for you to come on here like that and yet here you are, this is the kind of crap I hate and its one of the reasons I dont want to play with you anymore, go away Paul H.

[Paul Harries]

Hi

Selective memory, Connor.

All I did was agree to disagree & accept your compromise. But you went into a seperate game chat& told me to F Off. 

Now you're telling ,lies about us.

Hope you're successful getting some players. Might be useful to let people know your specific rules in advance?

On Friday, 17 October 2014, 19:03, Connar Stone <sto...@eou.edu> wrote:

I discuss things with players all the time paul, but when all the players do is argue when their characters don't get what they want, Im not going to run for you.

I dont understand why do feel you have to start this paul? Its not nessecary for you to come on here like that and yet here you are, this is the kind of crap I hate and its one of the reasons I dont want to play with you anymore, go away Paul H.

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[Keht]

Seriously Cats and yarn CRAZY. It's a about as interesting as receiving crap tons of emails about others personal drama. 

Well I am going to get some Chinese. The yarn is free!

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[Tsriel]

*watches this thread splooge*

Now you know why I said "you're in the wrong spot". Just look at this mess.

*munches on some popcorn*

Seriously though, your idea of a recruitment post could really use some work. You'll have a much better time catching flies with honey instead of vinegar.

[Connar Stone]

If your not looking to join then get out of the thread. As simple as that, Paul yes you do have a selective memory obviously because you argue ALL the time, even when u don't realize it and the worst part is you cant let any of it just go, its obviously why u r here, so I say again, and this time more formally, "please go away"

[KeHT]

Tsriel,

I have attempted to make this thread about cat butt strings but have failed.  Sorry… I will try harder. 

Yes, popcorn is a great idea. 

KeHT

On Oct 17, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Connar Stone <sto...@eou.edu> wrote:

If your not looking to join then get out of the thread. As simple as that, Paul yes you do have a selective memory obviously because you argue ALL the time, even when u don't realize it and the worst part is you cant let any of it just go, its obviously why u r here, so I say again, and this time more formally, "please go away"

[Marty Weil]

Connar: Take your thread away from the public forums. Some of us do NOT appreciate your combative and negative attitudes. You started out by saying that some of us play as badwrongfun, in such a way that, other than the title, I, at least, did not realize you were seriously trying to recruit players.

By the way, I have played with Paul H, and he was not argumentative, which may say something about you, rather than Paul....

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Connar Stone <sto...@eou.edu> wrote:

If your not looking to join then get out of the thread. As simple as that, Paul yes you do have a selective memory obviously because you argue ALL the time, even when u don't realize it and the worst part is you cant let any of it just go, its obviously why u r here, so I say again, and this time more formally, "please go away"

[Iammars]

At this point, this thread is no longer being helpful. I'm going to put up the paper sign saying that this thread is closed. Posting in it gets you a warning. If you wish to talk with the OP about his game, then you can contact him directly.