SMONDO 2 - e-KHATA DOCUMENT COLLECTION CAMP - Reminder 3

[Ganesh Narasimhan]

What bullshit! 

 ......... in this mail from S.K.Krishna Prasad of Association,  intentionally sent as usual once again from an unmanned mailbox  in BCC to all owners ,  and intentionally not giving an opportunity for residents to voice their concerns and discuss on the issue,  and thereby forcing owners to feel scared about not getting eKhatha so that they will intentionally take the eKhatha through this camp arranged by association.

What bullshit!

........... in this mail from S.K.Krishna Prasad of Association,  talking about "Security will be tightened with extra checks. Request you to co-operate and let’s avoid confrontations. The intent is to manage the crowd with ease and not discomfort any owners." 

.......... is the association now hiring bouncers to get owners to come their way ?   From where are the funds for these bouncers coming from ?  Are they coming from maintenance funds?

MOST IMPORTANTLY ...........  THIS MAIL IS JUST TO CREATE A HYPE AND FEAR AMONG RESIDENTS FORCING THEM TO TAKE eKHATHA THROUGH THE ASSOCIATION ,  WHICH IS ILLEGAL AND TOTALLY LACKS INTEGRITY AND IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF FUNDS CONTRIBUTED BY INNOCENT OWNERS.

......... THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS  ............ HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT CAMP

Good Day

Ganesh Narasimhan

A0401 - Smondo 2

[Pramila Menon]

Ask them the names of assoc members who have assented to this. In case they are willing to face legal action for doing such things.

P

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[amandeep singh]

We will have a great camp, no thanks to you and you are most welcome not to be 'scared' or 'feel the hype' and get things done your own way as per 'your own thoughts' and keep them to yourself.

Just don't spam the mailbox.

Thanks.

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[Pramila Menon]

Kanna don't bother to reply. They are the kind of people who have been brought up to just get something even if through illegal means and anyhow. They are the kind who don't realize they are setting a bad precedent allowing a few people to coerce them....they must also be first time flat buyers who are not aware of rules and regulations. If anyone just showed this mail to the panchayat do you think the panchayat will support these people, if taken to task legally. They are just drumming up people and their numbers just because the panchayat has demanded a certain pound of flesh and they need the numbers  to cough up the amount.vAnyway in 3 years the panchayat guy informed me that BBMP will kick in with its online mode. So these people will again have to cough up for a BBMP Khata 😃. So right now what is important is the property tax, which no one can stop me from paying Khata or no Khata, association or no association. No point educating these people.

P

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[Ganesh Narasimhan]

Absolute Bullshit yet again  from Mahesh Harjai.  It seems to me that he is hand in hand with Krishna in this scam.

You are absolutely correct about my anger but totally wrong about my intent.

The intent of my words is not to hurt anyone  but to bring awareness to members of the group about the wrong doings by Krishna of the association.

If you are really so concerned about me or the welfare of the group,  why don't you stop this condescending and judgmental attitude and give pointwise answers to the questions that I have raised?

It seems you have not understood,  but since you have taken the trouble to reply,  I am writing these questions again below.  Please read it.

a)  If association was willing to let owners get things done their own way then there would be no need for anyone including me to write this mail.  

     Why is association stating that GRAM PANCHAYAT has been directed not to accept applications from people who have not got NOC from association.

b) What right does association have to monopolise the eKhatha process and not allow those who want to get it done directly from GRAM PANCHAYAT

b)  Why is association sending mails from unmanned mailbox and bcc to all owners and thereby not allowing owners to express their views

c)  Why is there hype being created about extra security in a matter involving ownership rights to property documents and in a function held within association ,  and where all participants of the function are the owners and residents themselves.?

d)  Most importantly,  what right do you have to prevent me from sharing my thoughts to the group?

If you want to reply kindly give pointwise answers to my questions above rather than be condescending and judgmental and try to divert the attention of the group from the real situation.

Cheers ........ Have a great day.

Ganesh

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Mahesh Harjai <mahesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

HI Ganesh,

Normally i would have written one on one mail but i feel the need to keep all CC in this.

I see lot of anger and rage in your words and language and its certainly hurting you more then anybody else. I keep seeing such emails from you on and off and mostly negative. There is other side of truth if you wish to look at that side. 

suggest you spend your time and energy on things which bring some positive change in your life or people reading your email. this kind of emails not adding any value to anybody and mostly being ignored or at the most creating not so positive image about you. 

you are a part of Smondo 2 family and it would be great if you leave aside your personal grudges against few of them and be a part of larger collective. 

There are two types of people 1 who take on things head on and bring some change and other side who will sit outside and criticize. you chose which is more productive for you. 

whatever you are doing is certainly not helping at all. 

regards

Mahesh

[Ganesh Narasimhan]

Dear Chanchal,

Thanks for your mail which has bought in some amount of clarity,  but a lot remains including the questions you stated are vague and irrelevant.

The facts as I perceive them below . Request Association to clarify these points,  and in case of no response,  it is logical to assume association accepts these as facts.

1.  Association is preventing members from sharing thoughts to the group by sending mail from unmanned mailbox and marking it BCC to all.

2. A total sum of unaccounted cash money amounting to Rs 12.1Lacs is being collected through the camp (Rs 5500=00 x 220Flats = 12.1Lacs) 

3. Anyone who has cleared all dues to patel, paid all maintenance dues to association and also paid up 50% of the development charges to association (MoU states Patel will bear remaining 50%) will still not be entitled to participate in the camp since association has invoiced for more than 100% development charges .   Association is collecting funds in  excess of 50%  and has stated that this will be adjusted from future maintenance.

4. Even if someone clears all dues and also pays up the 100+% invoiced development charges,  he/she will still not be entitled to NOC from association if he/she does not want to take eKhatha through association, since association has made it clear that eKhatha process will be facilated by association only and so association is monopolizing this activity.

5. Association is invoicing more than 100% development charges since as per MoU circulated,  Patel will pay 4.4Lacs which works out to 50% i.e.  Rs 2000=00 per flat  (out of 220flats) whereas I have been invoiced Rs 4475=00 which is more than 100%

6. Patel Realty has been provided an added bonus,  since the MoU has clearly stated that owners who have already paid Rs 18200=00 towards eKhatha will not get any refund as agreed upon in the MoU

7. Patel Realty has been provided an added bonus since all members have to mandatorily pay property tax from 2014 onwards even if the flat has be registered subsequent to 31st March 2014  .   This has been agreed in the MoU while legally builder should bear the property tax upto the date of registration .......... an added bonus to Patel Realty and a loss to owners  who have taken possession subsequent to 31st March 2014

8.  Hype is being created about extra security in a matter involving ownership rights to property documents and in a function held within association ,  and where all participants of the function are the owners and residents themselves.  The funds from association are being used for the bouncers or extra security as was being mentioned in the mail .......... are we paying association fees to get bounced out and not being able express our views?

Regards,

Ganesh

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Smondo2 Apartment Owners Association <smond...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ganesh,

I find most of your questions vague and non-relevant. The only place I feel you might need more information is for the question as to why NOC from association is mandatory for eKhata.

The khata process has been enabled by the association, and for the same we have collected funds from owners to payup the development fees. But as everyone knows not everyone has paid. Hence it is only fair that people who have paid the development fees and cleared their dues with Association are granted NOC. Else it would be unfair on the owners who have paid.

I understand some owners want to get the full development charges paid by Patel. That would be an individual choice. Any owner would like to follow up with Patel to get the full development charges, please go ahead. However until such time that the development charges due are paid by the owner or Patel on behalf of the  owners. We cannot allow the owner's khata to be processesed  as the development charges have already been borne by the association.

Also the association cannot facilitate the process if the owner has not paid up their dues to the association.

Thank you

Regards

K S Chanchal

[Ganesh Narasimhan]

Don't get so excited Mr Chanchal / Mr Amit   ......... and why such a late response to such an important mail?

The reason for my  mail below was only to let residents make informed decisions.

After all the association is preventing free speech and acting dictatorial  by sending across emails in BCC without affording people to express their views .......... I hope you are not referring to this as my fantasy.

The mail I am referring to is reproduced below :-

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Dear Chanchal,

Thanks for your mail which has bought in some amount of clarity,  but a lot remains including the questions you stated are vague and irrelevant.

The facts as I perceive them below . Request Association to clarify these points,  and in case of no response,  it is logical to assume association accepts these as facts.

1.  Association is preventing members from sharing thoughts to the group by sending mail from unmanned mailbox and marking it BCC to all.

2. A total sum of unaccounted cash money amounting to Rs 12.1Lacs is being collected through the camp (Rs 5500=00 x 220Flats = 12.1Lacs) 

3. Anyone who has cleared all dues to patel, paid all maintenance dues to association and also paid up 50% of the development charges to association (MoU states Patel will bear remaining 50%) will still not be entitled to participate in the camp since association has invoiced for more than 100% development charges .   Association is collecting funds in  excess of 50%  and has stated that this will be adjusted from future maintenance.

4. Even if someone clears all dues and also pays up the 100+% invoiced development charges,  he/she will still not be entitled to NOC from association if he/she does not want to take eKhatha through association, since association has made it clear that eKhatha process will be facilated by association only and so association is monopolizing this activity.

5. Association is invoicing more than 100% development charges since as per MoU circulated,  Patel will pay 4.4Lacs which works out to 50% i.e.  Rs 2000=00 per flat  (out of 220flats) whereas I have been invoiced Rs 4475=00 which is more than 100%

6. Patel Realty has been provided an added bonus,  since the MoU has clearly stated that owners who have already paid Rs 18200=00 towards eKhatha will not get any refund as agreed upon in the MoU

7. Patel Realty has been provided an added bonus since all members have to mandatorily pay property tax from 2014 onwards even if the flat has be registered subsequent to 31st March 2014  .   This has been agreed in the MoU while legally builder should bear the property tax upto the date of registration .......... an added bonus to Patel Realty and a loss to owners  who have taken possession subsequent to 31st March 2014

8.  Hype is being created about extra security in a matter involving ownership rights to property documents and in a function held within association ,  and where all participants of the function are the owners and residents themselves.  The funds from association are being used for the bouncers or extra security as was being mentioned in the mail .......... are we paying association fees to get bounced out and not being able express our views?

Regards,

Ganesh

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Chanchal K S <ks.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are free to make whatever assumptions you want. I find myself more productive replying to actually querries than your fantacies.

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[Pramila Menon]

Hi Sivaprasad 

Am sure you hot your Khata and that is all you care about. Have you thought of the amount in lakhs collected by the assoc.and the panchayat. Where has this money gone? 

Who has the money? How much was pocketed by whom? Do the maths.

Negativity is doing wrong...not pointing out a wrong doing.

Cheers

Dr. Pramila Menon

On Jul 13, 2017 8:24 PM, "Sivaprasad Valappil" <siva.v...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ganesh -  Sorry to say this, but I see nothing but  lot of negativity , rage and grudge on your emails. Is this the way you communicate to your fellow flat owners ? And you call it as "freedom of speech"   ???   I can only sympathize then and just say this -  Learn to hold your tongue and Grow Up man!  

I agree on freedom of speech ..but that shouldn't mean you can blabber whatever you want without giving any respect / dignity to others. 

I know very well that you wont stop here and may send such nasty mails again and again....There will be many out there like me and please dont think they are not responding just because they are in agreement with your filthy language / emails ..Many feel you dont even deserve a response. But I really couldn't stop sending this response as you were very successful in breaking  my patience :-) 

Sincerely hope you get peace and stay calm in life! 

Thanks,

Siva.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Amit Singh <amitsin...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are free to write - keep writing - just stop spamming our emails - we are matured enough to take our decisions - you take care of yourself - & thanks for your concern hahaha :) 

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Don't get so excited Mr Chanchal / Mr Amit   ......... and why such a late response to such an important mail?

The reason for my  mail below was only to let residents make informed decisions.

After all the association is preventing free speech and acting dictatorial  by sending across emails in BCC without affording people to express their views .......... I hope you are not referring to this as my fantasy.

The mail I am referring to is reproduced below :-

****************************************

Dear Chanchal,

Thanks for your mail which has bought in some amount of clarity,  but a lot remains including the questions you stated are vague and irrelevant.

The facts as I perceive them below . Request Association to clarify these points,  and in case of no response,  it is logical to assume association accepts these as facts.

1.  Association is preventing members from sharing thoughts to the group by sending mail from unmanned mailbox and marking it BCC to all.

2. A total sum of unaccounted cash money amounting to Rs 12.1Lacs is being collected through the camp (Rs 5500=00 x 220Flats = 12.1Lacs) 

3. Anyone who has cleared all dues to patel, paid all maintenance dues to association and also paid up 50% of the development charges to association (MoU states Patel will bear remaining 50%) will still not be entitled to participate in the camp since association has invoiced for more than 100% development charges .   Association is collecting funds in  excess of 50%  and has stated that this will be adjusted from future maintenance.

4. Even if someone clears all dues and also pays up the 100+% invoiced development charges,  he/she will still not be entitled to NOC from association if he/she does not want to take eKhatha through association, since association has made it clear that eKhatha process will be facilated by association only and so association is monopolizing this activity.

5. Association is invoicing more than 100% development charges since as per MoU circulated,  Patel will pay 4.4Lacs which works out to 50% i.e.  Rs 2000=00 per flat  (out of 220flats) whereas I have been invoiced Rs 4475=00 which is more than 100%

6. Patel Realty has been provided an added bonus,  since the MoU has clearly stated that owners who have already paid Rs 18200=00 towards eKhatha will not get any refund as agreed upon in the MoU

7. Patel Realty has been provided an added bonus since all members have to mandatorily pay property tax from 2014 onwards even if the flat has be registered subsequent to 31st March 2014  .   This has been agreed in the MoU while legally builder should bear the property tax upto the date of registration .......... an added bonus to Patel Realty and a loss to owners  who have taken possession subsequent to 31st March 2014

8.  Hype is being created about extra security in a matter involving ownership rights to property documents and in a function held within association ,  and where all participants of the function are the owners and residents themselves.  The funds from association are being used for the bouncers or extra security as was being mentioned in the mail .......... are we paying association fees to get bounced out and not being able express our views?

Regards,

Ganesh

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Chanchal K S <ks.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are free to make whatever assumptions you want. I find myself more productive replying to actually querries than your fantacies.

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smondo2-residents/CAO0TbpB5eLCmQ4FxZXVEoxnD8PdCj2-UCM-iQPzZNXQxaW7RoA%40mail.gmail.com.

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[Ganesh Narasimhan]

Siva,

It is not a question what I or Pramila can do ........... it is a question what the association is doing after taking up the responsibility for the welfare of the community.

Decency,  abusing of the power of association, integrity and inclusiveness is what the whole issue is about.

Give me one good reason to justify sending out mails in BCC to the group without giving an opportunity for anyone to be heard.

Why is association forcing its decision on the members by not allowing people to get khatha on their own.

Don't twist matters around and kindly answer to the point ........ the question is simple  and I have done what I wanted to do by sharing my thoughts to the group so that people make an informed decision.

I do not intend to waste my time replying to your mails any more.

Take care

Ganesh

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Sivaprasad Valappil <siva.v...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pramila,

You got it wrong - I havent got my Khata and still in the process of getting all docs arranged as I live abroad. My comments were purely based on the language I observed on Mr. Ganesh's mail . I am satisfied with the way association handling this job and more importantly, I feel I shouldnt not complain if I dont have a better way to solve the problem . It may not be 100% perfect, but can you and Ganesh come up with a plan without any flaws to address this ? Then please take the ownership and get majority's support... Otherwise at least maintain some basic decency on the emails and stop abusing others. 

Thanks,

Siva.