Fwd: [smondoville] How can we change the association members

[Ganesh Narasimhan]

Forwarding below mail chain of Smondoville group residents.

There is a raging fire going on regarding corpus collection.

I hope we do not get into similar situation regarding corpus amount of Rs 77psft fixed for Smondo 2.0

IMO we should defer corpus collection until a few years after association is formed,  and further we should collect the corpus in installments every year so the burden on owners is less.

Regards,

Ganesh Narasimhan

A0401

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From: rahul bajaj <rahulb...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:21 PM
Subject: [smondoville] How can we change the association members
To: smond...@commonfloor.com, Smondoville Association <smondoville...@gmail.com>, neotown-s...@googlegroups.com

Hi All,

I am writing this mail after lot of deliberation on last few week's events.

I am increasingly losing confidence on the existing association members.

Their insistence on corpus fund despite all owners vehemently opposing it.
Their inability to reduce maintenance charges.
Their lack of control on getting ekhatas (esp last 80 ones) moving.
Their compulsive need to blocking mails and viewpoints.
And most of all their dictatorial attitude.

It is appearing as if they don't represent the owners and residents anymore. And I am not in for an association which is working against the owners instead of for them.

I want to know what is the process of changing the office incumbents.

Also, I request a review of the bye laws. Let's start afresh and knock off anything that is not in favour of the majority.

Request viewpoints of other owners and residents.

Regards,
Rahul Bajaj

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[Ganesh Narasimhan]

Dear Harish,

Thanks for your detailed mail and I have the below views on the same.

a) As you rightly said everything involves cost and nothing comes free ......... it is in this context that I believe several of us in the group have spoken up saying that there should be a justification for the amount of corpus collected and I believe it is the responsibility of association members to clarify the same to the group.  On what basis there is a decision to collect such a high corpus at rate of Rs 77 psft.  

b) As you rightly said the takeaway from the thread is a lack of unity  -  It is the lack of unity between association forming rules and members agreeing to follow these rules.  I am sure that all those who are members of Smondo 2 are educated enough to be reasonable to understand the need for a corpus (no one is hiding away from this as you put it)  and for a consensus to happen on the corpus amount.  It is because the amount is unreasonable that people are raising their voices.

c)  Rather than trying to resolve the problem, quoting non-participation in meetings seems to be a standard phrase used by association working comittee members when there is objections raised by the larger community.  It is not always possible for everyone to participate and many owners may be non-resident and out of bangalore .   But surely they have a right to put across an opinion and such suggestions should not be brushed aside,  quoting that these members have not participated in meetings.

d)  What is important now is forming the association and takeover from builder and work towards reducing the monthly maintenance cost.  This should be the focus rather than collecting funds in advance towards corpus fund which since it will not be used immediately,  the collection does not benefit anyone.  

Once the association is formed and runs for a couple of years,  the corpus fund collection can start and that too in installments.

It is very important to thrash this issue out right now,  rather than face a situation at later stage,  like how it is happening in Smondoville.

Finally,  I believe the key takeaway from the smondoville discussion thread is to be reasonable in the costs collected by association for all activities. 

Regards,

Ganesh

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Harish Patnaik <hpat...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ganesh et all.

There will always be elements in society that would want to wash their hands off when it comes to responsibilities and more so that involves financial obligations . The thread is a classic example . We should not read much into it but ignore. Not that the responses in our group are something to write home about but we are evolving ,to give us the benefit of doubt .So the only takeaway from trail is lack of unity and nothing else. Intentions are still the same.

The advantage we have is we are less in numbers so we can come around quicker . There is an elaborate plan to have this done/collected in a phased manner /EMIs and all but to not do it is NOT an option we have to hide behind . Simply put everything involves cost (direct/indirect) and nothing comes free. Yes it also involves time one  gives towards Home/society/meetings which we have seriously lacked resulting in little or no knowledge about facts on ground . If you see the top talkers are the ones who never attend any meetings.

While the modus operandi is discussed in meetings but still to clarify these collections will start only after association is formed . There will be a blanket implementation but it will be planned and organized in such a way that objectives are met and considerations given as deemed appropriate.

Thanks

Harish

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[Ganesh Narasimhan]

Hi Harish,

I believe Tcon Vcon etc may not lead to a solution unless reasonable proposals are 

made.

Corpus is meant to insure against unforeseen events.  Since we are not going to use the funds immediately what are we loosing out by spreading the collection over a few years .If anything unforeseen happens before that it is in the interest of the community to pitch in with more monetary support to assoc.

If the collection has to start immediately, I propose start out with a collection of say anything from Rs 5=00 to Rs 10=00 psft from all and continue the collection over a few years.  This would work out to a few thousands and will not pinch pockets........I believe this is a reasonable amount that would be acceptable to all.  I leave it to assoc. to finalise the amount of yearly corpus collection and see if any objections are being raised by the community.

I also believe committee members should refrain from making judgemental remarks about the capabilities (time/money or otherwise) of other members. This kind of remark deviates the core issue being discussed, which is nothing more than - "what is a reasonable amount to collect towards corpus" . 

Regards

Ganesh

On Friday 27 May 2016, Harish Patnaik <hpat...@gmail.com> wrote:

understood Ganesh. Lets explore how better we can synergize  if that's what is turning out to be a showstopper .  I don't have anything on top of my mind right now . Tconf/Vconf...throw what uve got as options ?

But I would tend to disagree with other part of excuses for not getting involved . I've already  said enough on that. Trust me time /money etc etc etc are really same for all , some just manage things better than others is all that I can say.