Probablycompletely unhelpful, but are the cassettes the same size on the trainer and on your road wheels? If not could be b-tension. Or something I often do is ram a skewer closed far too tight for how your indexing is set up - possibly another thing to look out for.
Tonight, on my first ride after the fix, the problem was happening again. Same deal, but less frequent. Shifting multiple cogs, especially right before/after a chainring shift would reproduce the problem with a high probability. After getting home, I put my bike in my stand and checked the alignment with a derailleur alignment gauge. It's absolutely perfect. And yet a little shifting while in the stand and I was able to easily reproduce the problem.
You've checked the derailleur hanger, so #1 is less likely. Although I would look at the derailleur cage or body. It really does appear bent in the second photo, unless the derailment is putting outside pressure on it.
'#3 is my guess, without a side photo to confirm it. This is a photo of the difference between worn and unworn pulleys. Keep in mind, this is an extreme difference, and yours don't need to look this bad to cause your problem. Edit: After new photos, there is some wear, but not enough to cause the issue.
A worn cassette is usually preceded by a worn chain, so if your chain is badly worn, you may need to change the cassette as well. Worst case, you may need new chain rings as well, but that is less likely.
I ran into this problem after getting my bike back from a basic tune-up. It was especially bad for the 3 largest cogs. After over an hour of investigating and tinkering I discovered this gem from the Shimano Derailleur Installation Manual
Some tension pulleys have an arrow on them to indicate the direction of rotation. In such cases, install the pulley so that the arrow is pointing clockwise when seen from the outer side of the derailleur.
I had to pull out a flashlight to see the tiny arrow, but it turns out the mechanic put my jockey wheel on backwards. After switching the direction of the jockey wheel, my problems immediately went away.
A jockey wheel for vehicular use is a retractable adjustable-height wheel used on the front of trailers (or caravans) with either a single axle (two running wheels) or more close-coupled axles at or near the centre of gravity whereby without additional support, the trailer would not remain level. The jockey wheel is close to the towing hitch and has a built-in screw jack to enable the trailer nose to be lifted over the tow ball of a car or other powered vehicle. The screw jack can then be used to lower the trailer nose onto the tow ball. Once securely attached to the towing vehicle, the jockey wheel's jacking action is fully retracted for stowage. The jockey wheel can also be unclamped and lifted as far as possible to give the greatest ground clearance before reclamping prior to a journey being made.
Although variations exist, drailleurs change the cog or sprocket used on a bicycle's cogset and the jockey wheels take up slack in the bike chain as it is fed from one of the front chainrings. The jockey wheels are held in a cage. This cage holds two guide pulleys that locate the chain, almost always in a vertically positioned S-shaped pattern (an S in reverse when viewed from the bike's drive side). The pulleys are known collectively as the jockey wheels or jockey pulleys - the guide pulley is at the top of the pairing (closest to the sprockets) and the tension pulley is at the bottom.[1]
It happened just a few days ago when I was coming home from my second ever outing with The Tiny. The campout was fantastic! It was two days with my friend and her kiddos (on their first every campout!) and two days with myself, trying to determine if I can do writing work while camping. Yes! I can!
With fast-moving vehicles to the side of me, ahead of me and behind me, it would be impossible to stop in the lane and check it out. I had 9 miles to go to land and so I slowed a little, but proceeded. When I could, I stopped, got out, and surveyed the situation.
Pulling over on a neighborhood street, I saw that the jockey wheel, which should been raised and secured while I was driving home, had fallen down to street level, been dragged there a few miles, and the tire was now ruined. This was a special pneumatic jockey tire that I had paid to purchase, and paid to have installed, just a few weeks prior.
These are nice alloy 10-tooth CNC'd jockey wheels for many vintage and some modern derailleurs. The bearings are sealed for a long and smooth life. The kit includes bushings to accommodate most derailleur's through-bolts.
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Just replaced my old stock Campagnolo Jockey wheels with a new pair of Red Grand Cru sealed Jockey Wheels super easy to swap out with the spacers they send with the new wheels shifting is super crisp and quick and they look awesome! Thanks Velo Orange!
Poor shifting or a noisy drivetrain are both rather irritating. You might have already tried a new chain lube in an attempt to silence the squeak, or changed the shift cables in a bid to improve shifting; but have you considered that those little jockey wheels might be the cause of your drivetrain woes?
Your rear derailleur features an upper and a lower jockey wheel, and these perform different jobs. The upper jockey wheel, also known as the guide pulley, is the one that is in charge of shifting duties. It quite literally guides the chain in the direction that it needs to go when the derailleur makes a shift.
The time will come, however, for you to service those jockey wheels. The only way to work on them is to take them out of the derailleur, and the easiest way to gain access is to drop the rear wheel out.
If the teeth on your jockey wheels are heavily worn, then this can negatively affect the quality of your shifting as the teeth can fail to engage. Notice that your chain jumps off the jockey wheel quite a bit? This is the cause.
A more serious scenario is where the chain jumps off the jockey wheel and wedges in the derailleur cage during a sprint or on a climb. This sudden halt in movement can lead to a ripped off derailleur, which is a seriously costly problem.
Larger jockey wheels are an option. These can be purchased as individual jockey wheels, from brands such as C-Bear or CeramicSpeed. Installing into your existing derailleur cage means that you are limited in size to around 12 teeth.
Why is this? I understood that jockey wheels were non speed dependent? Although 9, 10 and 11 speed chains vary in width they all have the same internal width (as it's the chain plate thickness which determines the chain width) so it follows that the same pulley wheels will route all 3 chain speeds so long as the wheels are not so wide to not fit in the cage. I haven't come across any which are.
Just asking.
AJ
I find that incorrect jockey wheels are either too thin or too fat for the derailleur cage., but I don't think it is necessarily a function of speed. Sometimes a different speed jockey wheel may be okay, but at others the same speed jockey wheel won't work.
The jury might be out on how many watts oversize pulley wheels save but it would have to be a significant amount before I would bolt something as hideous as them on my bike. I do not agree with your comment that they look cool, that is an opinion and my opinion is that they look terrible.
He also showed some research which suggested 1x systems (or 2x with smaller chainrings that require you to use tiny sprockets) lose you more watts than you save with an oversized pulley. Basically chain wrap increases friction so e.g. 50/25 is a more efficient gear than 44/22 etc. etc. (although I guess that is why the oversized pulleys exist!)
Serrated jockey wheels, also known as ribbed jockey wheels, are great for heavy duty-commercial trailers. Most of these trailer jockey wheels are appropriate for trailers that are 3500kg in weight. These jockey wheels are exactly what it says on the package, they have serrations or ribs that lock into a clamp to stop the jockey wheels from sliding down when towing or loading your trailer. Most of the heavy-duty commercial trailers will require a ribbed jockey wheel that has a diameter of 48mm or 60mm.
When you are buying a jockey wheel one of the first things you need to decide is whether you want a smooth jockey wheel or a serrated jockey wheel. This is usually determined by the weight of the load you are carrying. For light trailers a smooth trailer jockey wheel is appropriate, whereas for heavy commercial trailers a serrated jockey wheel is most likely the best choice. Before buying a jockey wheel you will also need to know what the right diameter is for your trailer. If you have any doubt, get in touch with one of our friendly members of staff who will be able to assist you.
The 34mm trailer jockey wheels are suitable for use with lighter duty trailers. We stock the genuine 34mm Erde jockey wheel complete with the clamp, along with the Knott Avonride and Franc trailer jockey wheels.
We stock Maypole, Knott and Bradley 48mm trailer Jockey Wheels. The Bradley jockey wheels are available with a wide or cushioned wheel and are manufactured much stronger and heavier, therefore are rated at a higher capacity.
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