Healing by laying on of hands?
Bob Wells
James 5:14-15 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the
assembly; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name
of the Master:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and Yahweh shall
raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
This we do, but healings are very rare. What do you think the problem
is? Yahshua said we would do greater things, so laying on of hands for
healing seems to be something that would be doable. Where have we gone
wrong??
Jim Graves
I would like to add to the study, first, is elder an ordained office/rank?
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Don Bacco
that it is not because of a lack of faith on our parts...Yahushua said
that we could move a mountain (Matt 17:20) if we have faith as a
mustard seed , so the gift of healing should be operating in the Body
of Messiah to this present day...If we believe in a "Latter Rain" ,
then at least coming up very shortly , we should be operational in all
of the gifts of YHWH's Spirit...To Bro Jim...I would comment that
elders would be simply older men who are mature in the Word of YHWH &
most likely recognized by laying on of hands (not particularly by a
incorporated assembly)..To Sis Debbie ...I am not quite sure what you
mean but elder women would council the younger ones for sure &
certainly would be included in the Spiritual gifts as long as it
followed Scriptual order ...I would think that generally men would
minister to all but the women would stick to the women unless no male
elders were present...YHWH Bless You All with His Shalom...Love in
Messiah Yahushua ...Bro Don
Jim Graves
I Timothy 3: 1- shows the qualifications of a person becoming a bishop. :8 showing for a decon. This being brought out as being a factor in a brethren being healed, maybe. Maybe not.
Bob Wells
slowly killing me if I am going to be bluntly honest with myself. I'd
have to say that Paul did not have a lack of faith either, yet he did
not get healed. 2Co 12:7-10 (7) And lest I should be exalted above
measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me
a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should
be exalted above measure.
(8) For this thing I besought the Sovereign three times, that it might
depart from me.
(9) And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my
strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I
rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of the Messiah may rest
upon me.
(10) Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in
insults, in persecutions, in distresses for the Messiah's sake: for when
I am weak, then am I strong.
I don't think it's a lack of faith. Yahweh chooses whom He will he and
whom He will not. Even so, blessed be the name of Yahweh.
Jim Graves
One factor is, the people who came to Yashua for healing did not show signs of extaordinary faith. They were everyday people who sought out the Savior and said to Him, "I know that if it be your will, you can heal..."
And then, He always did heal. But those He healed were not being trained to grow in His perfect charactor, as Shaul was, as brother Bob pointed out. And as we are.
Acts 14: 22 "Confirming the spirits of the disciples (that's Bob), and exorting them to continue in the faith, and that we MUST through much (not hardship and dissapointment only, but) tribulation, enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh." That says we must endure tribulation. But also, setting aside for a moment the heavy suffering, that message from the Creator says "Confirming the spirits of the diciples, and exorting them, and that We Must Enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Does anyone know of any scriptures that say any disciple will be healed in any less time than Shaul was? Any promised elapsed time to healing?
Does John 14: 13 "And WHATSOEVER ye shall ask in My name, THAT I will do.", include time too?
Don Bacco
out because I have known you long enough to know that you have great
faith...My theory was simply a theory that was aimed at the Body at
large...There should be all of the gifts mentioned in 1 Cor 12-14
available to the Brethren & the gifts of YHWH's Spirit are without
repentance meaning that He can gift even people that that do not
particularly obey Him...Note the 10 lepers that Yahushua healed in
Luke 17...We believe & try to obey to the best of our ability but we
are suffering financially & have even heard that we must be the
problem , so I am with you Bro...We love you all & have really stepped
up our praying time to included as many issues as we can especially
regarding 3 John 2...YHWH bless & have mercy on us all...Love in
Yahushua Ha Mashiach
Suzette K.M. Robinson
Shalom Ya’ll
Pro 18:21 DeathH4194 and lifeH2416 are in the powerH3027 of the tongue:H3956 and they that loveH157 it shall eatH398 the fruitH6529 thereof. (KJV)
H3956
לשׁנה לשׁן לשׁון
lâshôn lâshôn leshônâh
law-shone', law-shone', lesh-o-naw'
From H3960; the tongue (of man or animals), used literally (as the instrument of licking, eating, or speech), and figuratively (speech, an ingot, a fork of flame, a cove of water): - + babbler, bay, + evil speaker, language, talker, tongue, wedge.
Tongue appears in Scripture in 144 verses (The Scriptures 1998+) 129 times in the KJV and 166 times in WoY.
One thing I have seen many times in both Torah keepers and non, is a lack of control over our own tongue. From the beginning Elohiym wrote of the power of the spoken word. All the universe was brought into existence with the power of The Creator’s Words. And continually throughout Scripture, He tells us of the power of the words spoken from our mouths.
I’ve had people say to me “Well I speak English and God can reveal to me all I need to know in English.” While I believe that He can and does speak to anyone, anywhere, of any nation, tribe, tongue, color or status, He is no respecter of persons, and He can reveal whatever He desires to whomever He desires to reveal it to, even if He were to reveal “all truth” in English – it would be Hebrew that He would reveal.
There’s no getting around it – you just can’t get the full picture without Hebrew. What tongue was it that Elohiym used to bring all things into existence? Hebrew – Ivrit to be more accurate.. It’s the language of creation, it’s part of our DNA, it’s what we’re made of. We weren’t just made from the dust of the earth, we are made from parts of His spoken creation, the dust of the earth; the breath of life and in His image. And for us women, we are from Adam as well and Adam is lacking a part of himself without us.
DNA is made up of four parts. Cytosine, Guanine, Thymine and Adenine. Abbreviated G,C,T and A. Interesting that we were made in His image and His Name is also 4 characters – YHVH. Even in English we see Our Creator in DNA: Adenine and Thymine are paired – The Aleph and Tav. And Cytosine and Guanine are paired. Gimel and ?
Ivrit (Hebrew) is powerful. It created the universe, man, is the Torah, blessed and cursed generation upon generation, healed the sick and raised the dead. Yah can give us a great wealth of truth in our native tongue. But you will never ever see the full picture unless you look at the Hebrew. It contains the letters whose shapes have a meaning. It contains the size of the letters which have a meaning. It contains the gematria (numerical values) of the letters which have a meaning. It contains the roots of the words which have a meaning. It shows the law of first reference which has a meaning. If you look at modern Hebrew you can see the letters within the letters and the crowns on the letters. If you look at Paleo Hebrew you see the pictures of the letters which have a meaning. Every single aspect of Ivrit is a part of the message from Our Heavenly Father.
The other powerful thing about our tongues is how we use them. How many times in Scripture did someone speak a vow that turned out to hurt themselves? Rachel died in childbirth because of the vow her husband Ya’akov spoke concerning the person who had the idols.(Gen 31:19, 31:30-32). And Jephthah vowed a vow to YHVH and it turned out to be his daughter that he had to offer up (Judges 11:30-40)
Deu 23:21 “When you make a vow to יהוה your Elohim, do not delay to pay it, for יהוה your Elohim is certainly requiring it of you, and it shall be sin in you. (22) “But when you abstain from vowing, it is not sin in you. (23) “That which has gone from your lips you shall guard and do, for you voluntarily vowed to יהוה your Elohim what you have promised with your mouth.
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
What comes from our lips and out of our mouths makes a difference. The power of life and death – literally. Yahuah meant it when He said it and had it written down. It’s not just some euphemism.
When Yahushuah healed He often SPOKE it: “Get up, Be healed, Lazarus come out, “and he cast out the spirits with his word”. (Matt 8:16)
We curse ourselves by the words we speak, we curse others. Especially the men. Sorry to say it but men have more power in that regard than women do as written in Numbers 30.
Num 30:2 “When a man vows a vow to יהוה, or swears an oath to bind himself by some agreement, he does not break his word, he does according to all that comes out of his mouth. (3) “Or if a woman vows a vow to יהוה, and binds herself by some agreement while in her father’s house in her youth, (4) and her father hears her vow and the agreement by which she has bound herself, and her father has kept silent towards her, then all her vows shall stand, and every agreement with which she has bound herself stands. (5) “But if her father forbids her on the day that he hears, then none of her vows nor her agreements by which she has bound herself stand. And יהוה pardons her, because her father has forbidden her. (6) “But if she at all belongs to a husband, while bound by her vows or by a rash utterance from her lips by which she bound herself, (7) and her husband hears it, and he has kept silent towards her on the day that he hears, then her vows shall stand, and her agreements by which she bound herself do stand. (8) “But if her husband forbids her on the day that he hears it, then he has nullified her vow which she vowed, and the rash utterance of her lips by which she bound herself, and יהוה pardons her. (9) “But any vow of a widow or a divorced woman, by which she has bound herself, stands against her. (10) “And if she vowed in her husband’s house, or bound herself by an agreement with an oath, (11) and her husband heard it, and has kept silent towards her and did not forbid her, then all her vows shall stand, and every agreement by which she bound herself stands. (12) “But if her husband clearly nullified them on the day he heard them, then whatever came from her lips concerning her vows or concerning the agreement binding her, it does not stand – her husband has nullified them, and יהוה pardons her. (13) “Every vow and every binding oath to afflict her being, let her husband confirm it, or let her husband nullify it. (14) “But if her husband is altogether silent at her from day to day, then he confirms all her vows or all the agreements that bind her – he confirms them, because he kept silent towards her on the day that he heard. (15) “But if he nullifies them after he has heard, then he shall bear her crookedness.”
I recently asked my husband, my head-covering, to denounce any and all vows that I had ever made. And I did a public confession and prayer for forgiveness on Hebrew Nation Radio as well. I have had to ask for forgiveness for making harsh or rash statements about myself and others.
How many things have I spoken of foolishly in my life? How many things have I said I would do, with full intent and a good heart, but couldn’t or didn’t follow through? How many times have I said something in the negative instead with the faith of a daughter of Yah? How many curses have I spoken over others and what they were doing or how they acted? Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
His word is good, and righteous and true.
I and my husband have both been working very hard at watching what comes from our mouths and what we write as well. Both that which concerns ourselves and others. I am now mindful of who I share my troubles with. Even believing brethren can react with a gasp and a sharp comment or negative disbelieving statement. It’s one thing from those who do not follow Torah or believe in Yahushuah but from the remnant, we ought to know better.
Even the pagans understand the power of the intent of the heart and spoken affirmations.
And brother Yahudah gets it. To this day they say prayers for the lost of Yisrael. They pray for the nation, for the soldiers, for the sick, for Moshiach to come. Out loud. And usually in Hebrew. They’ve been praying His Words for thousands of years.
I believe our words and the words of others are part of our lack of seeing miracles and healing.
Shalom
Suzette
Suzette K.M. Robinson
Shalom again,
I realized that the topic was healing with laying on of hands. And that is also in Scripture as Bro. Bob included. My point was more that our (and others) attitude and mouths must be getting in the way of some of the healing and miracles we should be seeing, no matter the method of trying to see them come to fruition.
Shalom
Suzette
Jim Graves
This is an insightful beginning to a Greatly needed study. So, hopefully reading it again will renew our prayers along this, no, these lines.
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