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Grov-R-LER-1

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Jun 10, 2008, 5:34:00 PM6/10/08
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I, Grov-R-LER-1, accuse the citizens responsible for 10/2 REDACTED,
and those citizens who voted in favour of it, of conspiring to
overthrow my friend The Computer.

0x44

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Jun 11, 2008, 5:02:12 PM6/11/08
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I object, I voted against 10/2, but cosmic rays caused the bit to flip.

Grov-R-LER-1

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Jun 11, 2008, 5:38:51 PM6/11/08
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On Jun 12, 5:02 am, 0x44 <ign...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I object, I voted against 10/2...

If you are innocent, you have nothing to fear. Why are you afraid,
citizen?

0x44

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Jun 11, 2008, 6:08:53 PM6/11/08
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Grov-R-LER-1 wrote:
> If you are innocent, you have nothing to fear. Why are you afraid,
> citizen?
To be honest, only the innocent have been targeted by Communist
sympathizers. Friend Computer's omnipotence and benevolence are all that
stand between innocent Citizens and the depredations of nefarious mutants.

Why are you so quick to accuse, Citizen?

Buddha Buck

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Jun 11, 2008, 6:56:17 PM6/11/08
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:08 PM, 0x44 <ign...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To be honest, only the innocent have been targeted by Communist
> sympathizers. Friend Computer's omnipotence and benevolence are all that
> stand between innocent Citizens and the depredations of nefarious mutants.
>
> Why are you so quick to accuse, Citizen?

Baseless accusations are detrimental to the wellbeing and
good-governance of Alpha Complex. They take upstanding, loyal,
innocent Citizens away from their necessary jobs, subjects them to
unwarranted stress,

I request the assistance of all other loyal Citizens in drafting a
proposal which would address this egregious waste of Alpha Complex
resources. I have two options in mind:

(Presumption of Innocence) If, at trial, the accused is found
Innocent, the accuser shall be terminated for wasting Alpha Complex
resources.

(Presumption of Guilt) Before trial, the accused is terminated (thus
saving the expense of trial), but is allowed to make a last-minute
statement identifying and accusing co-conspirators.

Benjamin Schultz

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Jun 11, 2008, 9:06:48 PM6/11/08
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Buddha Buck <blaise...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I request the assistance of all other loyal Citizens in drafting a
> proposal which would address this egregious waste of Alpha Complex
> resources. I have two options in mind:
>
> (Presumption of Innocence) If, at trial, the accused is found
> Innocent, the accuser shall be terminated for wasting Alpha Complex
> resources.

This is a good idea for accusations of treason, as a false accusation
of treason is ipso facto treasonous.

>
> (Presumption of Guilt) Before trial, the accused is terminated (thus
> saving the expense of trial), but is allowed to make a last-minute
> statement identifying and accusing co-conspirators.

This too is a good idea, more as part of a plea bargain. As written,
it sounds to me like an automatic termination, never mind the trial.

Of course, as an old mid-90s show said, "All suspects are guilty!
Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects."
--
Ben Schultz
Louve-R

Buddha Buck

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Jun 11, 2008, 9:43:37 PM6/11/08
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Benjamin Schultz
<ben.dov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Buddha Buck <blaise...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I request the assistance of all other loyal Citizens in drafting a
>> proposal which would address this egregious waste of Alpha Complex
>> resources. I have two options in mind:
>>
>> (Presumption of Innocence) If, at trial, the accused is found
>> Innocent, the accuser shall be terminated for wasting Alpha Complex
>> resources.
>
> This is a good idea for accusations of treason, as a false accusation
> of treason is ipso facto treasonous.

It could also simply be a sign of poor judgment. An otherwise loyal
Citizen who exhibits such poor judgment is obviously unsuitable for
positions of responsibility in Alpha Complex and such lapses should be
noted at promotion time.

>
>>
>> (Presumption of Guilt) Before trial, the accused is terminated (thus
>> saving the expense of trial), but is allowed to make a last-minute
>> statement identifying and accusing co-conspirators.
>
> This too is a good idea, more as part of a plea bargain. As written,
> it sounds to me like an automatic termination, never mind the trial.

Are you suggesting that it would be appropriate for a known traitor to
escape termination through some sort of "plea bargain" scheme?

Khristofer M

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Jun 12, 2008, 8:53:33 AM6/12/08
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(Presumption of Innocence) If, at trial, the accused is found
Innocent, the accuser shall be terminated for wasting Alpha Complex
resources.

(Presumption of Guilt) Before trial, the accused is terminated (thus
saving the expense of trial), but is allowed to make a last-minute
statement identifying and accusing co-conspirators.

It would be more expedient to combine them both. The accused is terminated to avoid the lengthy expense of a trial, and the disruption such a farce would bring to Alpha Complex (after all, if the Citizen weren't guilty, there wouldn't be charges). To balance the need for swift-justice against the possibility that the Citizen might in-fact have been innocent, the Computer should then immediately bring charges of perjury against the accuser. The accused (nee accuser) would then be terminated to avoid the lengthy expense of a trial for perjury, and the disruption such a farce would bring to Alpha Complex.

Grov-R-LER-1

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Jun 13, 2008, 2:58:17 AM6/13/08
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On Jun 12, 6:08 am, 0x44 <ign...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why are you so quick to accuse, Citizen?

I think the real question is: why are all the rest of you so slow to
accuse!

On Jun 12, 8:53 pm, "Khristofer M" <ign...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be more expedient to combine them both. The accused is terminated
> to avoid the lengthy expense of a trial, and the disruption such a farce
> would bring to Alpha Complex (after all, if the Citizen weren't guilty,
> there wouldn't be charges). To balance the need for swift-justice against
> the possibility that the Citizen might in-fact have been innocent, the
> Computer should then immediately bring charges of perjury against the
> accuser. The accused (nee accuser) would then be terminated to avoid the
> lengthy expense of a trial for perjury, and the disruption such a farce
> would bring to Alpha Complex.

Mmmm... efficient.

Ed Murphy

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Jul 22, 2008, 10:28:12 PM7/22/08
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Grov wrote:

OOC: What the hell /was/ the deal with 10/2?

Grov-R-LER-1

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Jul 23, 2008, 6:00:09 AM7/23/08
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((OOC: hidden message. "Smash the Computer" or some-such.))

0x44

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Jul 23, 2008, 4:26:38 PM7/23/08
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Ed Murphy wrote:
> OOC: What the hell /was/ the deal with 10/2?
>
I don't know, it looked good when I sent it. ;)

Benjamin Schultz

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Jul 23, 2008, 7:33:01 PM7/23/08
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Somewhat more to the point -- it's my Service Firm Duty to update the
wiki with CFJs. I've lost track of whose job it is to hand out CFJ
assignments as Mandatory Bonus Duties.

Louve-R
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Ben Schultz

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