[papercreters] CALICHE VS BENTONITE
Charmaine Taylor
Spaceman-- they are two different 'minerals' but caliche is so
great that I'd try it if you can use it.
mixing it WITH any local clay will give you a strong binding material.
Mary Miller-- a long time ago PC experimenter sent me a sample of
papercrete with caliche, vs cement, and the dang thing is very strong.
since it is a LIME based material, it will bind well to the AE or
other mixes you try.
go for it and let us know.
melting shingles in diesel fuel at $4. a gallon?
AE is so cheap ( $20. 5 gal bucket) that it might be worth trying both.
BUT also since the tar shingles are just tar- paper base and gravel
why not SOLAR COOK them.. make a crude slider door solar cooker over a
pile of shingles? ( with old PC panels around it. and melt it down
faster with no fuels needed?
even on a small scale you can test it in a big black pot or old drum or similar.
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Ms. Charmaine Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
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JUDITH WILLIAMS
THANK YOU. I have been filling in a trench as a result of changing my mind AGAIN. The soil, if you can call it that, is big chunks of caliche. I was thinking it would be good to use in my papercrete or a plaster. Would love to hear more about it.
Am now going to experiment with perlite in the mix. The pumice plant near me has closed but the perlite mine isn't too far. I called for prices, very reasonable. Can you imagine papercrete with those little perlite beads in it? So light weight and great R.
More news, I poured my first slip form 2 days ago. It came out beautiful. It is 12" high and about 11 feet long. I didn't think I would ever get the thing poured. It's my first papercreting in a very long time. Equipment needed attention (mixer had about 4" of hard papercrete in the bottom, lots of chipping and hammering), forms had to be constructed, everything set up, wind was blowing about 35MPH, whole 24" high pile of newspapers flew away, cement dust everywhere. Then when I finally got to towing, the plug on the mixer let go and half the mix was lost. Then I got to the end of the road and discovered the neighbor had locked the gate so I couldn't do my usual circuit. Good Grief!!! But the mix ended up perfect after we added more ingredients to make up for what was lost and the first course of the wall couldn't be nicer. Oh the joys of papercrete. I am so happy to be back in the slurry again!
Sincerely, Judith
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Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:45:32 -0700
Subject: [papercreters] CALICHE VS BENTONITE
Spaceman-- they are two different 'minerals' but caliche is so
great that I'd try it if you can use it.
mixing it WITH any local clay will give you a strong binding material.
Mary Miller-- a long time ago PC experimenter sent me a sample of
papercrete with caliche, vs cement, and the dang thing is very strong.
since it is a LIME based material, it will bind well to the AE or
other mixes you try.
go for it and let us know.
melting shingles in diesel fuel at $4. a gallon?
AE is so cheap ( $20. 5 gal bucket) that it might be worth trying both.
BUT also since the tar shingles are just tar- paper base and gravel
why not SOLAR COOK them.. make a crude slider door solar cooker over a
pile of shingles? ( with old PC panels around it. and melt it down
faster with no fuels needed?
even on a small scale you can test it in a big black pot or old drum or similar.
--
Ms. Charmaine Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
Toll Free Order: 1-888-441-1632
www.dirtcheapbuilder.com www. papercrete.com
PO Box 375, Cutten CA 95534
Nick Boersema
Fantastic Judith great to here you’re back at it. Did you get all the inspection issues worked out?
Nick
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Nick Boersema
Great to hear your back too. L
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JUDITH WILLIAMS
I'm not building a residence and it's been downsized so it's under the square footage that requires inspections. I am making it into more of a recreation area. I will be documenting it on my camcorder so will try to share it. I am not too good with the camera and computer but I am learning.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Sincerely, Judith
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Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:33:02 -0400
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Bob
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@...> wrote:
I'm not building a residence and it's been downsized so it's under the square footage that requires inspections. I am making it into more of a recreation area. I will be documenting it on my camcorder so will try to share it. I am not too good with the camera and computer but I am learning.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Sincerely, Judith
Visit my new website at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com
Our building codes here in Sayre, Oklahoma do not require even a permit for any outbuilding less than 200 sq ft. I'm thinking of building four 12'x16' or 192 sq ftbuildings in an arrangement where two face each other 16 feet apart and then two that face each other 16 feet apart the other way like a square, then fill in the space between them with a deck and later put a roof over the deck higher that the other buildings. the first four buildings will all have a 3/12 slope roof on each, all sloping away from the center and each other. Just thought it would be a novel way of getting around the building code.
For everyone out there that has to conform to "County" building codes, you should move to Beckham County, Oklahoma, there are no "County" building codes. And the State inspectors don't do out of city limits inspections.
Bob
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Spaceman
Yes, very different but in some ways they act alike. Ground up caliche
makes a nice slippery mud, and they use it for sand roads to firm them
up. Unfortunately I live in a deep sand area and would have to find
clay on someone else's place and get permission to harvest it. I have
lots of caliché from the hole we made for the underground dome, which
is on hold for a while.
Diesel is about half that around here, so about half the price of the
AE in a 5 gallon bucket. I imagine alcohol would work also, as would
just about any type of petroleum product, to dissolve the shingles.
The solar cooker idea is excellent, but diesel in a bucket would be a
lot faster and easier since I don't have any sliding doors sitting
around and they are hard to come by here on the border, just like all
the really good trash.
Spaceman
Charmaine Taylor wrote:
Spaceman-- they are two different 'minerals' but caliche is so great that I'd try it if you can use it. mixing it WITH any local clay will give you a strong binding material. Mary Miller-- a long time ago PC experimenter sent me a sample of papercrete with caliche, vs cement, and the dang thing is very strong. since it is a LIME based material, it will bind well to the AE or other mixes you try. go for it and let us know. melting shingles in diesel fuel at $4. a gallon? AE is so cheap ( $20. 5 gal bucket) that it might be worth trying both. BUT also since the tar shingles are just tar- paper base and gravel why not SOLAR COOK them.. make a crude slider door solar cooker over a pile of shingles? ( with old PC panels around it. and melt it down faster with no fuels needed? even on a small scale you can test it in a big black pot or old drum or similar.
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Spaceman
Same in Texas - there is a state code, but no inspectors outside of
cities. The only requirement in counties is an approved septic system -
inspected - before you move onto the property.
Spaceman
Bob wrote:
For everyone out there that has to conform to "County" building codes, you should move to Beckham County, Oklahoma, there are no "County" building codes. And the State inspectors don't do out of city limits inspections.
Bob
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Bob
Yep, septic system is the only requirement by the county. I've know some
that even got around that. One guy I built a stick home for just ran a
4" PVC line to the nearest canyon and dumped his black water in there.
He later told me because of all the cow dung on his farm there were
hords of tumble bugs and they took care of the household dung as quickly
as it was presented to them.
Bob
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Melody Allen
Gib and I are separated now (long story -- ain't it always?) but he still comes out to help every once in a while. I'm hoping to make a bunch more blocks and then get started on the decorative wall I have in mind. Gotta start somewhere.
Melody
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JUDITH WILLIAMS
Good to hear from you. Sorry to hear of the situation with Gib. I LOVE this slip forming. I have my 11 ft wall half done in just 3 days, partial days really. It gets so windy in the afternoon it's just impossible to work. So I quit today at 1.
I have been videoing but in 2 hours this morning could still not figure out how to get it out of the camera and into the computer.
Must go now and hop in the tub. If you're ever in the area let me know and we'll go soak at Ojo.
Sincerely, Judith
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Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:35:29 -0700
Subject: [papercreters] Re: CALICHE VS BENTONITE, back in the slurry again!
Gib and I are separated now (long story -- ain't it always?) but he still comes out to help every once in a while. I'm hoping to make a bunch more blocks and then get started on the decorative wall I have in mind. Gotta start somewhere.
Melody
Pat B Parham
| Bob, do you know of any sticky clay sites in your county, or does it all have a lot of sand in it. Wanting to do something like Charmaine Taylor is talking about. Thanks --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Bob <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net> wrote: |
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Bob
Pat are you still living North of the Recess? It should be really muddy
up that way. All the land North of the River is red clay, and all the
land South of the river is sand. I don't know of any land for sale at
the present time but if you will check with any bank in town there are
always auctions going on.
Bob
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<texasweldinginspector@...> wrote:
Bob, do you know of any sticky clay sites in your county, or does it
all have a lot of sand in it. Wanting to do something like Charmaine
Taylor is talking about. Thanks
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Pat B Parham
| Too much sand in the clay for what we are trying to do. Thanks though. |
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Bob
Pat if you are just looking for Red Bed, contact Mclemore @ 225-3426 GPS located at N1930 going toward Elk City, go by and get a sample of that and see if that is what you need.
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Too much sand in the clay for what we are trying to do. Thanks though.
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