[papercreters] Making papercrete really waterproof

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Hi all,

has anybody tried UGL DriLok to waterproof papercrete? Is it working?

I found this:

Long available for industrial applications, crystalline waterproofing is now used in residential applications. It consists of a dry powder compound of Portland cement, very fine treated silica sand, and proprietary chemicals. Combining the product with water and applying it to the surface of concrete results in a catalytic reaction that forms several inches of non-soluble crystalline fibers within the pores and capillary tracts of concrete. This seals the concrete against the penetration of water or liquids from all directions.  UGL DryLok is one of these products. Supposedly this will work in either cured papercrete or in the wet mix itself. It's pricey, but said to be so effective that it’s possible to make ponds with papercrete. If it will hold water without leaking, it should prevent water penetration.

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Have no idea but sounds wonderful.
How much does it cost, how is it applied and under what conditions is it applied, what are the testing methods that assessed the durability  of this mixture?

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Hi all,

has anybody tried UGL DriLok to waterproof papercrete? Is it working?

I found this:

Long available for industrial applications, crystalline waterproofing is now used in residential applications. It consists of a dry powder compound of Portland cement, very fine treated silica sand, and proprietary chemicals. Combining the product with water and applying it to the surface of concrete results in a catalytic reaction that forms several inches of non-soluble crystalline fibers within the pores and capillary tracts of concrete. This seals the concrete against the penetration of water or liquids from all directions.  UGL DryLok is one of these products. Supposedly this will work in either cured papercrete or in the wet mix itself. It's pricey, but said to be so effective that it’s possible to make ponds with papercrete. If it will hold water without leaking, it should prevent water penetration.

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Have no idea but sounds wonderful.
How much does it cost, how is it applied and under what conditions is it applied, what are the testing methods that assessed the durability  of this mixture?

Calle

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Hi all,

has anybody tried UGL DriLok to waterproof papercrete? Is it working?

I found this:

Long available for industrial applications, crystalline waterproofing is now used in residential applications. It consists of a dry powder compound of Portland cement, very fine treated silica sand, and proprietary chemicals. Combining the product with water and applying it to the surface of concrete results in a catalytic reaction that forms several inches of non-soluble crystalline fibers within the pores and capillary tracts of concrete. This seals the concrete against the penetration of water or liquids from all directions.  UGL DryLok is one of these products. Supposedly this will work in either cured papercrete or in the wet mix itself. It's pricey, but said to be so effective that it’s possible to make ponds with papercrete. If it will hold water without leaking, it should prevent water penetration.

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Tasha,

Thanks, duckduckgo.com'd it and no near local suppliers.
Spoke to a young lady from GlobalIndustial and she has already sent me product and spec sheets.
Have several applications for products.
We want to use earth bag construction with petrified Hession, some paper Crete in underground house construction. 


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See http://www.drylok.com/formulas/latex-base-drylok-masonry-waterproofer/
TASHA

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How much does it cost, how is it applied and under what conditions is it applied, what are the testing methods that assessed the durability  of this mixture?

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Hi all,

has anybody tried UGL DriLok to waterproof papercrete? Is it working?

I found this:

Long available for industrial applications, crystalline waterproofing is now used in residential applications. It consists of a dry powder compound of Portland cement, very fine treated silica sand, and proprietary chemicals. Combining the product with water and applying it to the surface of concrete results in a catalytic reaction that forms several inches of non-soluble crystalline fibers within the pores and capillary tracts of concrete. This seals the concrete against the penetration of water or liquids from all directions.  UGL DryLok is one of these products. Supposedly this will work in either cured papercrete or in the wet mix itself. It's pricey, but said to be so effective that it’s possible to make ponds with papercrete. If it will hold water without leaking, it should prevent water penetration.

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I made a waterproofing coating using used cooking oil which I burn in my diesel truck, Portland cement and fine sand. Not much cement or sand, I don't remember the exact proportions, but it soaks into the papercrete and dries hard and definitely waterproof as I can spray it with water and it doesn't soak in at all. It is definitely cheap, which appeals to me as I have to watch my pennies to make ends meet. I also made a "stucco" mix using only the oil and sifted fine clay which I have an abundance of here. I put it on with a roller and/or a stiff bristle brush. It dries very hard and is waterproof. I didn't put that on papercrete but on OSB sheeting. It sticks very good to that so I am reasonably sure it would do the same to papercrete. I will be using that this summer on my papercrete blocks I'm putting on the exterior of my new house.
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valledecalle@yahoo.com [papercreters]

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PLEASE share the exact details and portions. 
We will use the other product on a city house to sell, but am more than willing to use your fine recipe on our underground house or pallet sheds.

Thanks for sharing, and for your creations.


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Greetings,

We tried it a long time ago, it was okay for a year or two, but didn't hold up.  And it is expensive, or was in those days.
Kim Travis PDC
The Rose Colored Forest
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Hi all,

has anybody tried UGL DriLok to waterproof papercrete? Is it working?

I found this:

Long available for industrial applications, crystalline waterproofing is now used in residential applications. It consists of a dry powder compound of Portland cement, very fine treated silica sand, and proprietary chemicals. Combining the product with water and applying it to the surface of concrete results in a catalytic reaction that forms several inches of non-soluble crystalline fibers within the pores and capillary tracts of concrete. This seals the concrete against the penetration of water or liquids from all directions.  UGL DryLok is one of these products. Supposedly this will work in either cured papercrete or in the wet mix itself. It's pricey, but said to be so effective that it’s possible to make ponds with papercrete. If it will hold water without leaking, it should prevent water penetration.

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So the 10 year warranty is a joke?


Calle

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Greetings,



We tried it a long time ago, it was okay for a year or two, but didn't hold up.  And it is expensive, or was in those days.
Kim Travis PDC
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Bedias, Texas
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Hi all,

has anybody tried UGL DriLok to waterproof papercrete? Is it working?

I found this:

Long available for industrial applications, crystalline waterproofing is now used in residential applications. It consists of a dry powder compound of Portland cement, very fine treated silica sand, and proprietary chemicals. Combining the product with water and applying it to the surface of concrete results in a catalytic reaction that forms several inches of non-soluble crystalline fibers within the pores and capillary tracts of concrete. This seals the concrete against the penetration of water or liquids from all directions.  UGL DryLok is one of these products. Supposedly this will work in either cured papercrete or in the wet mix itself. It's pricey, but said to be so effective that it’s possible to make ponds with papercrete. If it will hold water without leaking, it should prevent water penetration.

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Greetings,

The warranty didn't hold with an alternative building product under it.  We only bought one can to test it, so no big deal at the time.  This was about a decade ago and things change, but it flaked off in the Texas sun.  

Kim Travis PDC
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Okay so it has to go on certain surfaces to be covered?

We do have a city home to renovate and would use it on basement walls and a floor. But. Have written and ask about prepainted floors.

Thanks for your input.


Calle

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After doing so much research into waterproofing it struck me like lightning today.

In my former life I was a hobby boat builder in Australia and boats have to be waterproof.

We just put a few coating of exoxy resin on the hull which is what most wooden boat builders do.

Would there be any reason why it should not work when I put epoxy on the inside of a papercrete pot which will be filled with water all the time. For water lilies.

 

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Donald:

I love the idea of recycling used oil.

I guess after some time it will not smell any more of french fries ;-)

I powered my truck with that oil, and man, all the neighbors got sort of appetite whenever I drove past.

It would be interesting to see if it is waterproof enough to hold water for a long time like in a pond.

Also if there is no used oil available I think one could just buy cheapest vegetable oil from the supermarket.

Anyway, I like that more than the chemicals

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Hello:)
Looks like there have been problems with the crystalline waterproofing & papercrete. 

I am doing an exterior papercrete wall with a color in a skim coat of papercrete. Thoroseal has two types of sealer, one is white that is cement based. The other is a clear sealer. I guess it is like Prime-a-Pell. Has anyone had any experience with the Thoroseal products with papercrete?

Thanks
Murry
San Marcos,TX

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Someone got back to me when we were discussing sealers.

The companies do not extend the warranted coverage to any surface.


Calle 

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Hi, 
 i use a papercrete topcoat on my ferrocement sculptures and have experimented a little with waterproofing the finished sculptures- two things i have tried successfully were:

crommelin  waterproofing natural finish penetrating sealer- seemed to do the job but was smelly and needed solvent cleanup which i wasn't keen on but it says it's waterproofing compounds are taken below the surface hence 'penetrating'
and
sure seal aerosol tile and grout sealer which is technically for mosaic work (voted best in industry according to the can) I wasn't too happy about the can but it didn't require a toxic solvent clean-up episode. It wouldn't be any chop for large areas due to the size of the can.

I don't yet know if they would require recoating at some time-  a basement is on a considerably different scale compared to a sculpture. 

Bill Birdsall did some roofs and i think tunnels using 'nylon cement' in Puerto Rico- it was fishing net and portland slurry-http://www.naturalbuildingblog.com/nylon-cement-roofs/ this link is about roofs but i am sure he did some under ground level tunnels, too- maybe a hybrid approach would work? 

I keep returning to the idea of using magnesium phosphate cement in place of portland in the papercrete which i have not been able to test as i haven't been able to source the materials but in the US you can buy  grancrete which as i understand is the stuff all mixed up and ready to go- as it makes a chemically bonded ceramic which is impervious to water down to 10 microns from memory, in theory it would produce a waterproof papercrete. If you google Michael Collins, an artist who lives in Mexico, he has done some interesting work with magphos cement.

The other thing i plan to try out is Silasec waterproofer by Bondall- it doesn't seem to be a penetrating sealer but has recipes on the container for waterproof paint and putty- says it will seal fishponds and tanks, resists water pressure, etc ( it does have a warning that it 'contains calcium chloride') I wanted to extend the 'waterproof putty' idea but haven't tried it out yet. Maybe as an ingredient in portland slurry over fishnet with a acrylic/papercrete render?

cheers, eo

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Hi Eo,
thanks for your information.

Most of the stuff is not available here in Europe but maybe I can have it shipped over

What does that mean:



"it does have a warning that it 'contains calcium chloride"

I use CaCl2 for timbercrete. Not sure if it would shorten the curing time for papercrete.

But I was not aware that we should be warned about it.

Cheers
S.

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What is timbercrete?


Calle

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Hi Eo,

thanks for your information.

Most of the stuff is not available here in Europe but maybe I can have it shipped over

What does that mean:

"it does have a warning that it 'contains calcium chloride"

I use CaCl2 for timbercrete. Not sure if it would shorten the curing time for papercrete.

But I was not aware that we should be warned about it.

Cheers
S.


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Hi,

i don't know why the warning was there but it did say 'warning' as if it had something...that required a warning? The only thing i could think of was maybe the chloride might interact badly with a metal armature but that's a guess? sodium chloride in seawater is bane of ferrocement boatbuilding from what i have read- i am not a chemist so not sure about that one ( i did notice that in the US, potting soil has no warning where in Australia the warning on the bag makes me afraid to open the stuff! Maybe different rulebooks in different countries?)

cheers, eo


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What is timbercrete?

Calle

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From: g...@moworx.com [papercreters]
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Hi Eo,
thanks for your information.

Most of the stuff is not available here in Europe but maybe I can have it shipped over

What does that mean:

"it does have a warning that it 'contains calcium chloride"

I use CaCl2 for timbercrete. Not sure if it would shorten the curing time for papercrete.

But I was not aware that we should be warned about it.

Cheers
S.



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For timbercrete you use wood shavings instead of paper. In Australia they are building houses with timbercrete blocks.

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The matter of calcium chloride: CaCl is much more reactive than NaCl. Hence the the warning label. Its not explosive, but admixtures that would have neutral reactions in the presence of NaCl may not in the presence of CaCl. Probably the most common reaction would be precipitates.

Waterproofing: There are quite a few paints that would work quite well. The only problem being the cost. The other issue is papercrete to a certain extent needs to breathe. Sealing it up completely might lead to issues.

Planter pots: I use simple latex paint on the inside. You still might some alkaline bleed but it will be greatly reduced.


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Thanks now to find a good source of sawdust.



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Here in Tasmania, we have sawmills that have literally MOUNTAINS of sawdust from the milling that they are happy to give away-it is eucalypt sawdust but i used it in my 'experimental concrete work' and it was ok- in fact, the concrete work i did 5 years ago still looks new though i wondered at the time if the eucalypt oils would interact poorly in the cement chemistry? ( such useful stuff, sawdust- brilliant for composting toilet system as well!)  Otherwise try carpenters/joinery workshops- theirs is 'curlier' but would probably still work?What i would REALLY like to try is hemp fibre- so far can't source it here but i reckon hemp would be even better as no forests have to get cut down to produce it! I am living in hope of being able to buy 'animal bedding' hemp fibre but so far no joy there. 


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Thanks now to find a good source of sawdust.


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Thanks, 
In the us we don't have hemp fiber, but am wondering what else may be useful.


Calle

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Here in Tasmania, we have sawmills that have literally MOUNTAINS of sawdust from the milling that they are happy to give away-it is eucalypt sawdust but i used it in my 'experimental concrete work' and it was ok- in fact, the concrete work i did 5 years ago still looks new though i wondered at the time if the eucalypt oils would interact poorly in the cement chemistry? ( such useful stuff, sawdust- brilliant for composting toilet system as well!)  Otherwise try carpenters/joinery workshops- theirs is 'curlier' but would probably still work?What i would REALLY like to try is hemp fibre- so far can't source it here but i reckon hemp would be even better as no forests have to get cut down to produce it! I am living in hope of being able to buy 'animal bedding' hemp fibre but so far no joy there. 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:47 AM, valled...@yahoo.com [papercreters] <paperc...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks now to find a good source of sawdust.


Calle

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For timbercrete you use wood shavings instead of paper. In Australia they are building houses with timbercrete blocks.




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Furniture makers' workshops around me seem to leave very large bags of fine sawdust out on the street every now and then, presumably for anyone who wants it. It never seems to be there long.

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Thanks, 
In the us we don't have hemp fiber, but am wondering what else may be useful.

Calle

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From: eo greensticks eogree...@gmail.com [papercreters]
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Here in Tasmania, we have sawmills that have literally MOUNTAINS of sawdust from the milling that they are happy to give away-it is eucalypt sawdust but i used it in my 'experimental concrete work' and it was ok- in fact, the concrete work i did 5 years ago still looks new though i wondered at the time if the eucalypt oils would interact poorly in the cement chemistry? ( such useful stuff, sawdust- brilliant for composting toilet system as well!)  Otherwise try carpenters/joinery workshops- theirs is 'curlier' but would probably still work?What i would REALLY like to try is hemp fibre- so far can't source it here but i reckon hemp would be even better as no forests have to get cut down to produce it! I am living in hope of being able to buy 'animal bedding' hemp fibre but so far no joy there. 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:47 AM, valled...@yahoo.com [papercreters] <paperc...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks now to find a good source of sawdust.


Calle

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For timbercrete you use wood shavings instead of paper. In Australia they are building houses with timbercrete blocks.




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