[PANTUGGeneral] Website archive question
Paul B.Toms
attorney here who needs to find out when a particular section of a
website first appeared online. I tried the 'wayback machine' with
limited success (they only have 2 captures within a month either way of
the date we're looking for, and none in the month in question). Does
anybody know how this can be done, and/or is there somebody we can hire
to do the searching for us? We have a press release bragging about a
new feature on a site, but need to confirm when the material actually
appeared on their website. It's not an issue of domain name or anything
simple like that, it's probably going to come down to finding a better,
more complete archive than wayback, if there is such a thing.
Anyway, if anybody thinks they might be able to help, please let me
know. Thanks!
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Paul B.Toms
is anything we can get from what's there now, or anything that's
archived somewhere publicly available.
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Jim DeCaro
on the web pages by viewing the source? I don't know if the source code has
any date stamps, but it would not hurt to look.
If you don't have access to server files, then it would take some detective
work. What I mean is, someone would have to determine exactly what the web
feature did, then try and determine what exactly it affects. At that point,
you could guesstimate who or what may have had a residual from visiting the
page early on, such as a cookie or history cache.
Good luck, and please let us know if you figure it out.
Paul B.Toms
(sorry, I need to be vague, or I'd just tell you the site and the
section, but you know how lawyers are...). If it was a website about
video games (it isn't), then say they covered xbox and Playstation, and
about a year ago they added a section on the Wii. We need to know
exactly when they added the Wii section. It's not really a feature,
just a new area of the website with a different type of information. We
don't have any access to the server or anything, we have the same access
that any of you have (unless you work for them). Since it was a year
ago, we're not going to have anybody who happens to have it in a history
or cookie. I think we need something like wayback (Google doesn't seem
to have anything cached that far back, at least not that I can find),
and was hoping maybe one of you knew of another option. Thanks for the
ideas!
Jim DeCaro
information short of illegally hacking the site, which I strongly recommend
against.
Jim
Paul B.Toms
people smarter than I am, before giving up. Thanks!
JP Vossen
> Don't know if anybody can help, but seemed worth a shot. We have an
> attorney here who needs to find out when a particular section of a
> website first appeared online. I tried the 'wayback machine' with
> limited success (they only have 2 captures within a month either way of
> the date we're looking for, and none in the month in question). Does
> anybody know how this can be done, and/or is there somebody we can hire
> to do the searching for us? We have a press release bragging about a
> new feature on a site, but need to confirm when the material actually
> appeared on their website. It's not an issue of domain name or anything
> simple like that, it's probably going to come down to finding a better,
> more complete archive than wayback, if there is such a thing.
> Anyway, if anybody thinks they might be able to help, please let me
> know. Thanks!
The only archive of stuff like that that I am aware of it the "wayback"
machine you already tried.
The only other idea that I have is to try and subpoena either/both of:
1) Search engines, like Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc. Even if they don't
have an old cache (and why would they, search wants to be fresh), they
*might* have spider logs showing when they first found and index the new
section.
Also look for lesser known domain-specific search engines that focus on
whatever topic (e.g., video games) the site is about. Since they would
be smaller and more focused they might have better info. It's a smaller
haystack anyway.
2) The opposition's backups, around the time in question, for either
content for the new section (either in production or in revision
control), or logs showing when the new section started being served.
Good luck,
JP
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