upside down photo

[jonathan.nyc]

For the first time I posted a photo taken with my iPod Touch. Not something I want to do a lot, but I wanted to see if a pic taken that way would get the GE approval.

Upload completed. When I click on the photo to see it full-sized, it suddenly appears upside-down!

Any clues what the problem might be?

See for yourself.

[Galatas ©]

Probably the old problem of the photo being saved the wrong way up. Many cameras just attach a tag which tells your computer to rotate it every time it is opened , instead of rotating and saving it once and for all.
Open the photo in a photo editor , rotate it then save it.
Panoramio corrects the small size copies but not the original.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

This is because your photo is physically upside down.
Usual problem of cameras and software rotating photos not physically, but only in EXIF.

Your EXIF tells: photo rotated 180°.

Panoramio thumbnail and middle size photo creator respects EXIF setting, but full size photo is exactly same as it came out of your camera.
Your camera and / or photo viewing software may rotate picture to correct orientation, but internet browsers does not do this job.

There are more threads about this, but basic hint is: save photo with correct orientation and this exif flag set to 0°.

[jonathan.nyc]

EXIF is new to me.

Anyone have a specific tip on how to do the download, or apply a fix on a Mac?

[Draken]

If you use iphoto I guess you can rotate your photos with it. Otherwise, you will need any simple editing programme.

[Galatas ©]

No need to know anything about EXIF. Just do as Draken suggested.
Next time you use your iPod to take photos make sure you're holding it the right way up first

[jonathan.nyc]

Since this involves fixing something that is not apparent, I really need a specific instruction, not a guess.

I'd rather not go through a trial-and-error process involving public uploads.

[Galatas ©]

In that case you'll have wait for further advice from a Mac user or read the instructions that come with your computer software.

[jonathan.nyc]

Quote Galatas ©:

No need to know anything about EXIF. Just do as Draken suggested.
Next time you use your iPod to take photos make sure you're holding it the right way up first

It appeared to be correct when I was taking the picture.

I was holding something in my right hand, so I used the left & held it so the button was on the left.

I'll use my right hand next time, not a problem since I'm right-handed. All you sinister lefties should protest to Apple.

[Draken]

Quote jonathan.nyc:

Since this involves fixing something that is not apparent, I really need a specific instruction, not a guess.

I'd rather not go through a trial-and-error process involving public uploads.

OK.

1. Transfer your photos from ipod to your mac (iphoto).

2. Select photo and check how it is shown.

3. Go to "photos" on the menu.

4. Select "turn right" or "turn left".

Or

Go to the menu at the bottom and choose "edition".

[Galatas ©]

Lefties have problems with all cameras. I don't think any are designed with lefties in mind
But since lefties are reckoned to be more intelligent than righties I expect they are clever enough to cope.

[jonathan.nyc]

I imported the picture into iPhoto and the problem went away in a subsequent upload.

I saw a web post which says iPhoto strips out the EXIF data. No rotating on my part necessary.

While we're here, which version looks better?

[jonathan.nyc]

On reflection, this was the first time that I've posted a photo without some editing.

So I guess the key problem isn't the iPod Touch or the way I was holding it, but the fact that I bypassed iPhoto, which I did because I was intending this merely as a test of my new iPod.

[Draken]

I am on a mac too and it's a long time since I last used iphoto. Well, since I started editing with PP.

Iphoto has limited editing capabilities and besides it used to duplicate files in the hidden library. That said, it helps with the basics.

[Draken]

For information purpose only: there was some previous topics dealing with this issue. This http://www.panoramio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33600 seems to be the longest.

[jonathan.nyc]

This can be a confusing topic especially since many people don't know what EXIF is. Until yesterday, I was one of them.

Iphoto, and some other photo editor programs, incorporate EXIF data into the image before stripping it off. That's a valid process which has prevented subsequent issues in Panoramio.

In the full-size photo, Panoramio strips off any EXIF data without applying the orientation information. On this board there have been insinuations that the impacted photographers have done something incorrectly.

Actually the EXIF removal without the appropriate re-orientation, which does not happen on the thumbnail and midsize photos, should be classified as a bug which needs to be fixed.

Note: Tomas' analysis of the problem is correct, so I'll retract my "bug" comment.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

No. This is not a bug.

Panoramio does not strip off EXIF data from your file.
If you download (Save as) full size photo back and compare it with original, you will see no difference.

Problem is in software displaying the photo. Try to open your photo in very simple image displaying software - like Windows Paint or Internet browser (simply drop JPG file onto browser icon). Here we go: All Internet browsers (not Panoramio) ignore rotation hint flag. Panoramio only passes your (unchanged!) original file to browser for full size view. Only this way you can have access to original file. Panoramio uses the very same display as you when you open JPG in browser.

Root of the problem is in a silly idea to introduce this rotation flag (hint) to EXIF. It unavoidably results in inconsitencies in display. Nobody can guess the proper context: shall be photo displayed "as it is" or with respect to the orientation hint? And poor user cannot anticipate which software will be used to display his photo - with software respecting the rotation hint or not?

Only reliable solution is: rotate photo physically to desired orientation and reset rotation flag to zero. Pretty simple.

[AustinMN]

Quote Galatas ©:

Lefties have problems with all cameras. I don't think any are designed with lefties in mind
But since lefties are reckoned to be more intelligent than righties I expect they are clever enough to cope.

My bride of 29+ years says "The left side of the brain controls the right side of the body, and the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body. This means only left-handed people are in their right mind."

Austin

[Draken]

I am left-handed.

[AustinMN]

And I am obviously not.

[Galatas ©]

Quote Draken:

I am left-handed.

I always thought you were holding the camera strangely inyour profile pic. It's not a mirror shot afterall.

[Draken]

Yes, I have custom-made cameras with the shutter on the left side. Ha!

[Galatas ©]

Quote Draken:

Yes, I have custom-made cameras with the shutter on the left side. Ha!

In your dreams my friend , in your dreams

[Galatas ©]

Quote Draken:

I am left-handed.

Quote AustinMN:

And I am obviously not.

And I'm amphibious (sic)

[AustinMN]

Quote Draken:

Yes, I have custom-made cameras with the shutter on the left side. Ha!

So what happened here?

Austin

[jonathan.nyc]

For the record that first photo was approved for Google Earth.

I see there's a Panoramio iPhone app. If I had known that, I wouldn't have done this test.

At least I got to learn a few things.

[Draken]

Quote AustinMN:

Err... Was I testing someone else's camera? (fib)

[Galatas ©]

Quote Draken:

Err... Was I testing someone else's camera? (fib)

Who would let you within touching distance of their equipment ?