Different icon for "not yet reviewed" and "not selected".

[JBTHEMILKER]

I sure would like to be able to go through my pictures and be able to see witch are waiting for review and  those that have been rejected. Right now they both look the same as you scan the pages. 

[Draken]

The "not yet reviewed" category applies only to recently uploaded photos. The "not selected" don't have the Panoramio compass all through the pages. You only have to browse the very first page or pages in your case since you are a massive uploader for a couple of days until they get approved or not approved. I know where you come from: some of your previous photos have been deselected, you want to have a 100% of approved photos and you still can't work out the Photo sheet. Sorry JB, tough luck!! I don't think new icons will be introduced for making it easy for you or the very few who are concerned about 1) 100% of photos in GE, 2) who can't use Photo Sheet properly. If some of your previously selected photos get deselected please learn to use Photo Sheet and that would be easier.

Besides, too many icons would make the design ugly. Think community-wise, rather than from your exclusive needs and point of view.

[CliveM]

I think the suggestion is useful for the community and is not exclusive to JB's needs. My upload rate is much smaller than JB's, but I too think it would be much more convenient to be able to tell from the front page whether a newly loaded picture is still unreviewed or has been reviewed but rejected without having to either open each photo's page in turn or use third-party software. On the one occasion I had a photo rejected on first review, being unaccustomed to such rejections I only became suspicious when another photo loaded at the same time was selected and a long time elapsed without the picture in question being shown as selected. If it had been possible to see at a glance that it had been rejected I could have got my request for a (successful) second review in sooner.

 

Given the close association between Panoramio and Google Earth, is a concern for a 100% acceptance rate really so eccentric?

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Well, I also know what is behind this JB's suggestion... but basically, it is legitimate and useful suggestion (although with very low priority, I think).

[Draken]

I don't think a 100% acceptance rate is that eccentric. However, in order to improve and enhance Panoramio also as an independent website the rate shouldn't be the end-all and be-all. 

There is limited room for icons below each photo and many new icons have already been suggested. Why not a Google Map icon? An icon which would be automatically removed when the GM Team decided they no longer wanted the photo of a user.

[hvbemmel]

On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:33:14 PM UTC+2, CliveM wrote:

Given the close association between Panoramio and Google Earth, is a concern for a 100% acceptance rate really so eccentric?

Eccentric? no, unwanted? IMO yes. The team and many users have tried from the beginning to be independent from GE. PA is a way to get to GE, but PA has so many other roads it goes to. It would be a loss for Panoramio and the community when everybody would delete all the photos that are not selected for GE. There are many, many beautiful photos that deserve to be seen. For that groups was made, not the biggest succes, i agree, the indoors label , the slideshow and much more. The contest lately had many subjects that were specially looking for not selected photos, just to make them be seen too.

Besides that I see that G+ assimilated Picasaweb after working closely together. When users really see and make PA the uploader from GE only, there will be no need for a separate PA any more 

coming to JB´s question, we have a mapped and unmapped symbol, so yes there could be a compass with a red cross or something like that I would not be against it.

[CliveM]

I know one must be careful not to read too much into what somebody says in a forum conducted in English where many participants are not native English speakers, and conducted in writing where one cannot hear tones of voice, but what do you mean when you say that a concern for 100% acceptance is unwanted? I could understand the opinion that such a concern is not essential for all members, but by saying the concern is unwanted you could be implying that people with such a concern are unwanted.

 

I agree that Panoramio is more than just a tool for adding photos to Google Earth, and I appreciate many more things than just the pleasure of seeing my pictures in Google Earth, but I think the Google Earth selection criteria help make the site what it is. For example, without them the site would be much more flooded than it already is with people's family photos, no doubt very interesting to those people and their family members but of much less interest to the rest of us. This is why I have always done my best only to post pictures that conform (or at least stand a good chance of conforming) to the Google Earth criteria and have therefore so far managed to keep a 100% acceptance rate. I don't know what I would do if any of my pictures were ever rejected - I have no experience of this other than the temporary one I mentioned before - but I think I probably would delete them unless I felt the picture really did have something original to contribute. People come to a site like this for all sorts of different reasons and I don't think it's a good idea to call a particular attitude "unwanted" or, as Draken did, suggest that somebody making a suggestion in connection with such an attitude is being selfish.

[hvbemmel]

Yes Clive, the moment I clicked post I already thought this would not be the best way to describe it. It really has to do with English being my third language. undesired? In any way, it´s not what we are aiming for. Panoramio is aiming for photos that show the world, that are according to the Panoramio criteria. If they fit the Google criteria that´s an extra. Panoramio is not there to force people in a certain behavior, nevertheless, only aiming for GE is holding back photos that are important to the Panoramio community.

I have a good deal of photos that are rightly not accepted, church interiors, close ups of statues, aerial photos, flowers and so on. I know I´m not the best photographer in the world, but I hope some people find them worth while. That also is the world, that also is Panoramio. There are many users with much more skills. Their not selected photos would be very much missed on Panoramio.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/522084 is a number one photo on Panoramio, you find it the moment the world map is opened, it has been selected in 2007 when Panoramio was not yet Google. I has been sent for a review by one of the members some time ago and was, rightly, deselected according to the present criteria. (Some intervening of the team made it selected again), My point is that a photo like that would not selected now. If it would stay in Panoramio only, it certainly would find its way in the community. If it would be deleted just because of the criteria GE "forces" upon Panoramio it would be lost for the community.  I think that´s something we should not wish for.

[CliveM]

Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate the perils of communicating in a language other than one's own. There was an occasion when I sent a Private Message in French to a member of a group of which I am a moderator, about repeated minor infringements of one of the group's rules, and he promptly left the group. I still don't know whether it was the rule or my French that he objected to!

Perhaps we should settle on "not obligatory", or "not desirable if everybody thought the same".

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Similar story as Herman described for this photo:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10975940

New version is not selected (yes, by the current rules):

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10975940

However, original photo is iconic and represents both Panoramio and GE as well (at least for me).

So... GE selection criteria are guidelines "what is this site about". Most of uploaded photos shall match + - GE intention. But we can see, there are many other ways how to tell stories about places, which are worthwhile and are perfect for public sharing. And as Panoramio team sometimes reveals - they want to have here more than strictly GE accepted photos.

[hikingmike]

Maybe just a monochrome gray version of the same icon would do the trick.

[CliveM]

If we were to have different versions of the icon for "selected", "not yet selected" and "not selected/deselected" perhaps a different version of the icon for "position disputed" might be useful, or perhaps a different version of the "mapped" icon to save the "selected" icon becoming more complicated. The reason I mention this is that I have come across a user with lots of misplaced photos, more than can be corrected in one sitting (which may be why he wasn't too careful about mapping them in the first place!), and it would be nice to know from the user's page which ones already have relocation suggestions.

[df3vi]

On the photo page, the icon changes into gray instead of blue when the position is disputed. It could do also on the user page. That should be not so hard to program.