Groups - summary report of severe bugs/features to implement

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Sorry, I think some of these features were mentioned somewhere in the forum, but I have strong tendency to summarize...
Only important features list.


Group search:
- better phrase search - search should look for the phrase anywhere in the group name, not only in the begining (implicit "wildcard like search: *My phrase*&quot

- pagination in the list of groups is not working properly (now it allows me to browse only up to 40th page of groups, although there are more! This makes some groups inaccessible.

- pagination in the list of groups should be improved (at least like in user gallery - direct jump to the end of the list shall be supported + feedback how many pages of groups are there). Predefined jumps to selected letters in the groups list ordered by name, to dates in groups ordered by date of creation will be nice too.

- more sorting/filtering options for groups list - by last activity date, by count of members, count of photos, count of discussions...

- Group categories (something from wishlist) - set of predefined categories (tags) which can be checked when Group is established and then used in Group search (to search for geographical groups, best of groups, people groups, game groups...). I know, it is hard to define reasonable set of categories.
Update 29.9.2011 - Implemented.
Now you can select in setting page one from predefined set of categories and browse groups of selected category only.


Groups content management:
- quick pagination in Add your photo - widget listing users photos makes very difficult to access photos at the end of the list - some slider for quick navigation will be great (I know, you can use your photo pages and tags, but when you want to join new group, widget is only option for selecting photos)

- similarly and generally navigation through all lists widgets is difficult - this applies for photo and users lists. Hard to get to the end of the list, hard to jump at specific place. A lot of clicking. Is not it possible to add some navigation slider (as option) to widgets and also alternate keyboard interface?

- Search for photos of user in group - At least for group management mode it will be fine to see all photos made by selected group member. This would make easier to maintain the groups with frequent rule "Only XXX photos per user allowed".
Note: This Tip may help
http://www.panoramio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=560479#560479

- system support for generic photos max count rules "Only XXX photos per user or per user/day (week, month) allowed". This type of limitation shall be optional part of the group definition and rule shall be enforced by system (thus not allowing to add more photos to the group)
Note: This Tip may help
http://www.panoramio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=560482#560482

- if this (very important) max. allowed photos enforcement rule will be implemented, consider also transitional state - how to handle galleries/users with more photos than allowed be introduced rule. Hide all their photos in gallery and send them warning? Keep the load of cleanup on the group moderators?

- system support for generic photos min count rules "At least XXX photos per user or per user/day (week, month) required". This type of limitation shall be optional part of the group definition and rule shall be checked by system and triggering alerts to group moderators and owner.

- Ownership transfer missing - I cannot see this function now...
Update 29.9.2011: seems to be implemented
Multiple Group ownership was introduced, so I hope for functional ownership transfer too (I have not tried yet).


- language of "default messages" sent to addressee of invitation, rejection - language shall be based on default language setting of addressee, not sender; or language shall be selected by sender.

- Black list of banned users support - users once banned from group shall not be able to ask for membership again. Access to this black list shall be granted to moderators and owner only.
Update 4.10.2011 - Partially implemented.
When rejecting user asking to join the group, you can check/uncheck option "user can ask to join group again". But list of rejected users (or candidates for rejection) is not visible. And ban option is not available, when you delete existing member from group.

- Forced Moderators/owner messgages and announcements - Moderators and owner shall be able to send annoncement to all group members - regardless user setting of PMs and discussion notifications settings.


Dicussion:
- False "New post in discussion" marker - when thread consist only of my own post

- Problem with discussion iframe load in IE8 - it the group overview, I have a "flash" of generic "connection problem" page, after short delay discussion is finally loaded.

- At the moment I am not sure about problem with loading discussion threads in IE8 - it seems to be fine on my new Win XP installation

- Design of discussions is not clean and does not encourage users for discussion - well, implementation using Google Groups framework provides cluttered interface. Not easy to follow discussions, not much fun to start new one.

- Editable posts in discussions - User shall be able to edit his own posts (typos etc.), moderators shall be able to edit all posts (e.g. maintenance of lists in discussions)


Widgets reliability and functionality:
Some issues with widgets may be IE7 specific, but most of them are general - widgets does not offer best interface and moreover, they sometimes don't behave as expected. This applies also outside groups:

1. Fullscreen photo view only flashes and than show black screen
   Update 17.11.2011 - seems to be fixed
   
2. Fullscreen photo starts on first photo in group, not with selected photo
   Update 17.11.2011 - seems to be fixed
   
3. After viewing window resize, viewing sequence restarts from beginning
   Update 17.11.2011 - seems to be fixed
   
4. Bad memory management of full size view widget lead to blank screen and no response from widget after viewing of some amount of photos (depends on photos sizes and physical computer memory)
   
5. No support for quick navigation in list widgets (quick jump to specific page of widget, to the end, beginning, middle part...)
   
6. Missing alternate keyboard interface in widget lists (scroll left, right, jumps...)
   
7. Scrolling in lists widget sometimes locks (extremly annoying when combined with poor navigation support in lists, as described above)
   
8. List widgets are sometimes blank or list is incomplete
   
9. Non intuitive behaviour of widgets after browser "back" command (context of previous page is not restored exactly, lists are rewinded back to the beginning)
   
10. Widgets are not mobile browsers friendly (e.g. Opera mini)

P.S. I will update this thread in the case I forget about Alzheimer.
P.P.S: Thanks for Groups!

Updates
27.8.2011 - Group categories wish added, remark for max. photos rule transitionsal state
28.8.2011 - General request for widget navigation added, reliability of widgets
29.8. Editable posts in discussions
31.8. Forced annoncements and internal group blacklist of banned users
29.9. Implemented features flaged, workarounds for requested features added.
4.10. Implemented features flaged (banned users)
25.10. List of widget issues extended
17.11. Some WAPI features fixed

[Hans Sterkendries]

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Groups content management:

Tomas, can I add one to this?

When a moderator opens the management mode of the group pictures, I would like it to start at the page he's looking at, not at the first page.

[Panamon-Creel]

Thomas, made it sticky for ya
(I let you take the "My" out of the title though)

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Panamon-Creel:

Thomas, made it sticky for ya

Do you think it is needed?
All I want is to pass this info to admins.

[Panamon-Creel]

Why not, it's informative for everyone if you keep it updated.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

OK, feel free to give me hint for update.

[otula]

Tome, anglicky bych to pracně a možná nesrozumitelně plihnil, tak si dovolím sem připsat můj návrh česky. Pokud s ním budeš souhlasit, zapracuj ho, prosím, do svého shrnutí výše.

Jedná se o limit fotek. Pokud by se udělal systém, který jsi navrhnul - tedy nemožnost nahrát nadlimitní počet fotek do skupiny - bylo by rozumným způsobem neřešitelné vynutit na stávajících "hříšnících" nápravu. Buď by tam nadlimitní fotky musely být ponechány, nebo násilně vyřazeny bez autorova vlastního výběru, což by si možná někteří zasloužili, ale je to nehezké řešení.

Myslím, že rozumnější by bylo, pokud by se člověku jen zobrazilo upozornění, že limit překročil a zároveň by se do doby, než zjedná nápravu, žádná z jeho fotek ve skupině nezobrazovala. To by hříšníka dotlačilo k tomu, aby ve svém zájmu počet opravil a zároveň by měl možnost sám v klidu vybrat, které fotky z výběru vyloučí.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote otula:

Tome, anglicky bych to pracně a možná nesrozumitelně plihnil, tak si dovolím sem připsat můj návrh česky. Pokud s ním budeš souhlasit, zapracuj ho, prosím, do svého shrnutí výše.

Jedná se o limit fotek. Pokud by se udělal systém, který jsi navrhnul - tedy nemožnost nahrát nadlimitní počet fotek do skupiny - bylo by rozumným způsobem neřešitelné vynutit na stávajících "hříšnících" nápravu. Buď by tam nadlimitní fotky musely být ponechány, nebo násilně vyřazeny bez autorova vlastního výběru, což by si možná někteří zasloužili, ale je to nehezké řešení.

Myslím, že rozumnější by bylo, pokud by se člověku jen zobrazilo upozornění, že limit překročil a zároveň by se do doby, než zjedná nápravu, žádná z jeho fotek ve skupině nezobrazovala. To by hříšníka dotlačilo k tomu, aby ve svém zájmu počet opravil a zároveň by měl možnost sám v klidu vybrat, které fotky z výběru vyloučí.

Oto, teď ti asi nerozumím... Maximální limit nedovolí nahrát více fotek, než stanovil správce skupiny. Takže nikdo nebude hříšník. Pokud chce nahrát další fotky a je na limitu, bude muset nejprve nějaké vyřadit. Kontrola se uplatňuje v okamžiku přidávání fotek. V čem je problém?
Snad jedině v dodatečném (opožděném) zavedení tohoto pravidla do skupin, kde již hříšníci jsou.

[Hans Sterkendries]

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Search for photos of user in group - At least for group management mode it will be fine to see all photos made by selected group member. This would make easier to maintain the groups with frequent rule "Only XXX photos per user allowed".

A important hint for all group moderators

If you go to the Member Management and start to remove someone as a member you get a notice saying
"Are you sure? If you remove this member all his 46 pictures will be deleted as well"

You can still say "no" but you don't have to count yourself...

[Draken]

Regarding group search: if you try to browse all groups and type "a", just one letter, the result should be every group which frst letter is an "a".

For example:

A car

Aachen

Abbey Road

Achenberg

etc.

Now you only get "ab" results.

The same happens with all the letters.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Hans Sterkendries:

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Search for photos of user in group - At least for group management mode it will be fine to see all photos made by selected group member. This would make easier to maintain the groups with frequent rule "Only XXX photos per user allowed".

A important hint for all group moderators

If you go to the Member Management and start to remove someone as a member you get a notice saying
"Are you sure? If you remove this member all his 46 pictures will be deleted as well"

You can still say "no" but you don't have to count yourself...

Nothing for shaky hands users.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Draken:

Draken, it works in intentions and limitations described in my opening post.
When you start typing in search box, it performs wildcard search: A* - and only first 10 matching results are returned. Definitely not enough and everything.

Try 'X' or 'New' to see how it works.

[otula]

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Pokud chce nahrát další fotky a je na limitu, bude muset nejprve nějaké vyřadit. Kontrola se uplatňuje v okamžiku přidávání fotek. V čem je problém? Snad jedině v dodatečném (opožděném) zavedení tohoto pravidla do skupin, kde již hříšníci jsou.

Jo, především v opožděném zavedení této funkčnosti. Je to problém v mnoha skupinách, kde jsou moderátoři nešťastní z toho, že mnozí členové ignorují pravidla. Ať už proto, že nic nečtou, jen tam cpou kýble fotek, nebo proto, že to sprostě ignorují a léčí si tím mindrák. Takže stávající stav je potřeba vyřešit bez ohledu na vkládání budoucích fotek.

A řešení, které jsem navrhnul, je velmi ohleduplné, velmi snadno naprogramovatelné (není potřeba ošetřovat - a řešit způsoby jak ošetřit - všechny způsoby vkládání fotek). Uživatel si prostě v klidu vloží nějakým způsobem fotky (přičemž se mu ani nestane, že před dokončením ho začne něco blokovat a bude muset opětovně fotku hledat). Pokud jich bude moc, pouze se mu potom objeví upozornění o překročení limitu, on si vleze do správy svých fotek a v klidu si vybere, co dá pryč.

Blokování vložení je komplikovanější pro programátory i nepříjemnější pro uživatele.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Ošetření přechodného stavu nechávám jako "implementační detail". 8)

No, nevím, jestli je tvoje řešení jednodušší na programování. U mne stačí kontrolovat jedním IFem dvě místa - vložení fotky do skupiny ze stránky fotky a z přidávacího listu ve skupině.

Vyloučení vybraných fotek znamená upravovat i stránkování v galerii, dělat nějaké vychytávky ve správě fotek galerie, zasílat upozornění...

Ale nemá cenu, abychom to řešili za Adminy, když stejně nevíme, jak vypadá zdroják.

Pokud k tomu omezení vůbec dojde, jsem přesdvěčen, že přechod se vyřeší pragmaticky - způsob čištění se ponechá na moderátorech. Někde třeba skupiny s nadbytečnými fotkami zůstanou jak jsou. Osobně bych do skupiny se slabým moderováním asi nešel... chce si to vybíra pečlivě nejen téma skupiny, ale i kumpánii. A zvažovat, koho do skupiny pouštět a koho ne. Vyhýbat se notorickým hyperaktivním spammerům a bez pardonu okamžitě ze skupiny vykopávat uživatele pořádající kobercové nálety spojené s vyklopením polovičky jejich galerie do každé skupiny, co si je pustí dovnitř...

[otula]

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Vyloučení vybraných fotek znamená upravovat i stránkování v galerii, dělat nějaké vychytávky ve správě fotek galerie, zasílat upozornění...

Stránkování se snad řeší dynamicky na základě sady záznamů, která se z databáze vybere.

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Ale nemá cenu, abychom to řešili za Adminy, když stejně nevíme, jak vypadá zdroják.

To máš pravdu, ale když už jsi jim navrhnul blokování, tak bych byl rád, kdybys tam třeba alespoň jako alternativu napsal i mé řešení. Nechci editovat tvůj příspěvek, navíc má angličtina je bídná, proto tě o to slušně žádám.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Ty seznamy řeší widgetem, kterému se říká pouze zdroj (ID skupiny a to, že je to skupina). Znamenalo by to sáhnout do střev widgetu.

No nic, poznámku jsem tam připsal. Nicméně bych nepodceňoval inteligenci chlapců z Googlu, tohle je snad musí trknout... doufejme.
Ale budeme rádi, když udělají alespoň to základní omezení. Vzhledem k tomu, že ty skupiny měli údajně připravené ke spuštění už před rokem, pak to rok testovali a tohle jim tam chybí... no uvidíme.

[Draken]

Can someone be so kind as to provide translations from Czech in a thread conducted in English? I am interested in following the discussion but I only understand Spanish and English. Thanks!!!

[otula]

Díky, Tome.

Asi to ten rok testovali jen teoreticky Doufám, že se ty limity nějak rozumně ošetří. Pokud by zůstalo pročištění stávajících fotek na moderátorech, tak se jich na to většina asi vybodne. Jsem například ve skupině Panoramas, a za tu krátkou dobu je tam přes 300 členů. Požadavek limitu 15 fotek mnozí ignorují, a pokud by to měli moderátoři čistit, tak to mají na plný úvazek Kdyby aspoň fotky těch největších spammerů za něco stály... Skupiny mohly být výstavní funkcí Panoramia, místo toho se z nich stává jen velký bordel, což je strašná škoda.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Draken:

Can someone be so kind as to provide translations from Czech in a thread conducted in English? I am interested in following the discussion but I only understand Spanish and English. Thanks!!!

Draken, as a result of this discussion I updated summary in my first post. Rest is programmers chit chat.

[otula]

Quote Draken:

Can someone be so kind as to provide translations from Czech in a thread conducted in English? I am interested in following the discussion but I only understand Spanish and English. Thanks!!!

Sorry, Draken. I had a request and Tomas added it (translated in English) into his summary. (My English is too poor to write the request in English.) So our Czech conversation is not relevant already.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote otula:

Skupiny mohly být výstavní funkcí Panoramia, místo toho se z nich stává jen velký bordel, což je strašná škoda.

Ano, mohlo to být od začátku pevněji pod kontrolou, ale zase takhle je to docela zajímavá sociologická sonda.
Ono se to časem nějak vytříbí... některé rozbordelené a zdivočelé upadnou v zapomnění, některé skupiny vzniknou znovu a dají si pozor na začátečnické chyby. Já si svoje Zélandské dítě zatím pevně hlídám... a kdyby něco, mám přizvanou perfektní moderátorku.

[otula]

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

takhle je to docela zajímavá sociologická sonda.

To jo

Tak ještě jednou díky a už tady nebudu pro změnu spamovat diskuzi, určenou k jinému účelu

[Oompie]

What I believe would be most helpful is if Gerard and the team could let us know what enhancements they are working on now. If they were to say for instance "Limiting the no of photos uploaded to a group" (which seems to be big concern all over) we would be able to stop talking about that for a time, stop trying to manage that aspect for the time being, stop looking for better ways to manage that one aspect etc.

There is no doubt in my mind that they are working very hard at getting Groups better. The question is, are they working on what we all believe to be the right things or are we missing the plot?

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Team mostly does not disclose their priorities and plans and this is a case here too.
If I knew anything, I would update opening post.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Hans Sterkendries:

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Groups content management:

Tomas, can I add one to this?

When a moderator opens the management mode of the group pictures, I would like it to start at the page he's looking at, not at the first page.

Hans, do you think of this?:
you are in group photos list. You see something that need to be managed (e.g. user uploading more photos than allowed). So you go to manage mode and you need to browse to this place of gallery again... It would be better to start at exactly same place.

If yes, I aggree. But it seems to be real "cake eater" improvement. I'll try to keep the list only with most important bugs and requirements. After implementation of the more general request for easier navigation through wapi lists this one will have lower importance.

[Oompie]

Quote Hans Sterkendries:

A important hint for all group moderators

If you go to the Member Management and start to remove someone as a member you get a notice saying
"Are you sure? If you remove this member all his 46 pictures will be deleted as well"

You can still say "no" but you don't have to count yourself...

Thanks Hans!!! This is a really good "tool". Helps a lot!!!

[Oompie]

Tomas another one to add to the wishlist (I could not find it if it is there) is the ability to edit in discussions. Sometimes we need to maintain a list, much like you do in the opening post in this thread, but that is not possible in group discussions.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Right, Oompie. It is difficult to maintain e.g. list of banned users.
I think it is covered in my overall opinion about discussions design, but I will add this explicitely, cos I need the same.

Wow, this gave me an idea for another wish: system support for tracking warned and banned users, although I don't beleive this will be ever implemented (Panoramio keeps the positive tone, Google groups laying in background of discussion are not capable of posts editing).

[Daniela Brocca]

What do you mean with banned user, Tomas?


Moderating a group where the rules is only one photo per menber we have to be able to check the photos. Not possible to go on after few pages. Same for the members page.
Slideshow, same. not only in groups.
Deleted groups still in the page of the photo.
Not possible to edit discussion, not mine, not from other people. You need to delete and re-write and there is a line remaining with the words : message was removed.

and so on...


How can we moderate groups with thousand of photos if nothing works.
I hope team is reading this topic.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Daniela:

This is ban definition.

Term used often in discussion groups, forums and chatrooms.
Banned user in discussion groups, forums are users not allowed to re-enter. You know it as "Persona non grata".

Hope that you don't have much of them in your group, only warned users.

Poor performance of widgets (photo slide show and lists browsing) is mentioned in my openig post with bugs/wish list. In conjuction with poor navigation through large groups it is much more serious issue than it could look like!

[Draken]

Users who are uploading colour photos in the Black & White group (created by Gerard) and moderated by me, are banned. Sepia photos get a private message. If the PM is disabled I delete the sepia photos. If a user adds more than 5 sepia photos and doesn't have the PM enable he is also deleted. Otherwise, moderating is unmanegeable.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Do you have some special tool for maintaining lists of warned and banned users?

I created Google Doc spreadsheet shared among moderators - outside of Panoramio groups. Any better tip?

[Draken]

For warned users I store the PM I sent on Gmail. As for the banned ones, I don't care if they apply again, they will eventually ask why they are banned once, twice, thrice and perhaps it will dawn on him descriptions, rules and the opening discussion are to be read, aren't they?

If the trend of uploading sepia and colour photos continues, I will seriously consider giving up my moderator role.

[Daniela Brocca]

Do you mean if an user is deleted he is banned? I think he can ask the owner or moderator to re-enter. When he agrees to the the rules. Or am I wrong?

We made that way , sending a PM to warn them, telling they are deleted with all their photos (rule is only one photo, some entered 30) and they could re-enter, asking to.

How do you really ban an user?

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Daniela Brocca:

Do you mean if an user is deleted he is banned?

No. Deleted user is deleted user, he can optionaly re-enter.
Banned user is not allowed to re-enter.

Quote Daniela Brocca:

We made that way , sending a PM to warn them, telling they are deleted with all their photos (rule is only one photo, some entered 30) and they could re-enter, asking to.

Yes, It is what I call serious warning, but not ban.

Quote Daniela Brocca:

How do you really ban an user?

Simple. Moderators shall be consistent and don't allow this user to enter the group - they decline his request to join the group. Only important thing is - all group moderators should know the users, which are not allowed to enter the group.

[Daniela Brocca]

Thank you, Tomas.

[Daniela Brocca]

I see I have moderator tools only in this topic, the first. In all the topics of Groups I have no tools.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Daniela Brocca:

I see I have moderator tools only in this topic, the first. In all the topics of Groups I have no tools.

Hmmm... seems to me - you are not alone.
I don't have moderator tool even in this one now.

[Draken]

I do.

I guess Gerard removed the moderating rights from regular users who had them when this forum was opened and you were included among those users.

[Will51]

me too, no tools

[Panamon-Creel]

Psst don't announce it to our Spammers ;)

[Draken]

I am deep in the trench, holding my weapon and ready to cop the slack.

[Lloyd Weeber]

I have another problem.

I can only access the last 36 photos uploaded to my group and cannot access the discussions.

What has happened?

Lloyd Weeber

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

Sorry, I think some of these features were mentioned somewhere in the forum, but I have strong tendency to summarize...
Only important features list.


Group search:
- better phrase search - search should look for the phrase anywhere in the group name, not only in the begining (implicit "wildcard like search: *My phrase*&quot

- pagination in the list of groups is not working properly (now it allows me to browse only up to 40th page of groups, although there are more! This makes some groups inaccessible.

- pagination in the list of groups should be improved (at least like in user gallery - direct jump to the end of the list shall be supported + feedback how many pages of groups are there). Predefined jumps to selected letters in the groups list ordered by name, to dates in groups ordered by date of creation will be nice too.

- more sorting/filtering options for groups list - by last activity date, by count of members, count of photos, count of discussions...

- Group categories (something from wishlist) - set of predefined categories (tags) which can be checked when Group is established and then used in Group search (to search for geographical groups, best of groups, people groups, game groups...). I know, it is hard to define reasonable set of categories.


Groups content management:
- quick pagination in Add your photo - widget listing users photos makes very difficult to access photos at the end of the list - some slider for quick navigation will be great (I know, you can use your photo pages and tags, but when you want to join new group, widget is only option for selecting photos)

- similarly and generally navigation through all lists widgets is difficult - this applies for photo and users lists. Hard to get to the end of the list, hard to jump at specific place. A lot of clicking. Is not it possible to add some navigation slider (as option) to widgets and also alternate keyboard interface?

- Search for photos of user in group - At least for group management mode it will be fine to see all photos made by selected group member. This would make easier to maintain the groups with frequent rule "Only XXX photos per user allowed".

- system support for generic photos max count rules "Only XXX photos per user or per user/day (week, month) allowed". This type of limitation shall be optional part of the group definition and rule shall be enforced by system (thus not allowing to add more photos to the group)

- if this (very important) max. allowed photos enforcement rule will be implemented, consider also trasitional state - how to handle galleries/users with more photos than allowed be introduced rule. Hide all their photos in gallery and send them warning? Keep the load of cleanup on the group moderators?

- system support for generic photos min count rules "At least XXX photos per user or per user/day (week, month) required". This type of limitation shall be optional part of the group definition and rule shall be checked by system and triggering alerts to group moderators and owner.

- Ownership transfer missing - I cannot see this function now...

- language of "default messages" sent to addressee of invitation, rejection - language shall be based on default language setting of addressee, not sender; or language shall be selected by sender.

- Black list of banned users support - users once banned from group shall not be able to ask for membership again. Access to this black list shall be granted to moderators and owner only.

- Forced Moderators/owner messgages and announcements - Moderators and owner shall be able to send annoncement to all group members - regardless user setting of PMs and discussion notifications settings.


Dicussion:
- False "New post in discussion" marker - when thread consist only of my own post

- Problem with discussion iframe load in IE8 - it the group overview, I have a "flash" of generic "connection problem" page, after short delay discussion is finally loaded.

- At the moment I am not sure about problem with loading discussion threads in IE8 - it seems to be fine on my new Win XP installation

- Design of discussions is not clean and does not encourage users for discussion - well, implementation using Google Groups framework provides cluttered interface. Not easy to follow discussions, not much fun to start new one.

- Editable posts in discussions - User shall be able to edit his own posts (typos etc.), moderators shall be able to edit all posts (e.g. maintenance of lists in discussions)


Misc
- widgets reliability Especially in IE7, widgets sometimes don't behave as expected:

- Fullscreen photo view only flashes and than show black screen
- Fullscreen photo starts on first photo in group, not with selected photo
- After viewing window resize, viewing sequence restarts from beginning
- bad memory management of full size view widget lead to blank screen and no response from widget after viewing of some amount of photos (depends on photos sizes and physical computer memory)
- scrolling in lists widget sometimes locks (extremly annoying when combined with poor navigation support in lists)

P.S. I will update this thread in the case I forget about Alzheimer.
P.P.S: Thanks for Groups!

Updates
27.8.2011 - Group categories wish added, remark for max. photos rule transitionsal state
28.8.2011 - General request for widget navigation added, reliability of widgets
29.8. Editable posts in discussions
31.8. Forced annoncements and internal group blacklist of banned users

[RoarX]

Quote Lloyd Weeber:

... and cannot access the discussions.

What has happened?

This part might be that you may not be signed in to your Google account, which is necessary to view the discussions in groups.

Not sure why you have problem with the photos.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote RoarX:

...

Not sure why you have problem with the photos.

This may be related to problems with widgets (low) reliability

[RoarX]

Quote Tomas K☼h☼ut:

This may be related to problems with widgets (low) reliability

Are you talking about the "whiteout" problem? (when the photo icons are suddenly replaced by a white void)

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Yes but not only - there are more problems with widgets.
Described in my opening post...

[cbaisan]

Thanks for this thread Tom!

[TomRos]

Quote:

Thanks for this thread Tom!

- Ownership transfer missing - I cannot see this function now...

Update 29.9.2011: seems to be implemented
Multiple Group ownership was introduced, so I hope for functional ownership transfer too (I have not tried yet).

There is this note:
Your group status: Owner
You cannot leave the group because you are the only owner.

but I can not see how you add another owner!

[AustinMN]

Quote TomRos:

There is this note:
Your group status: Owner
You cannot leave the group because you are the only owner.

but I can not see how you add another owner!

I don't know the whole procedure, but you first have to make the new owner a moderator.

Austin

[TomRos]

Quote:

I don't know the whole procedure, but you first have to make the new owner a moderator.

Austin

I have done it!

When as an owner you are managing the members, the moderator has now additional owner icon which can be chosen!!!

Now, please make me an offer - selling Ontario - cheap!!!

[Hans Sterkendries]

Quote TomRos:

Now, please make me an offer - selling Ontario - cheap!!!

Like the French did in 1763?

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Czechs are always late.