Topic1-Lagna and physical appearance

[Ravi Tamma]

Hi Friends,

I wanted to initiate the discussion of how the physical appearance and the general mental attitude and atrributes of an individual get affected by the planets.

 

P.S - PLease keep your comments only applicable to the subject, we are not pointing anybody here and we dont want to do that. We just want to understand and see why a person looks like the way they are and how are the planets contributin to it.

 

Let us first start with first houe. I request all to take a look at their charts or the chartts of the people they know and comeback with their observations.

 

Key pointers:

1) Lagna represents the tanu sthana - see if the lagna has a beneficial planet placed, beneficial planet aspecting etc

2) how is the lagnadhipathi placed?

3) how is moon placed and what influences are there on the moon

4) last but not least every rising sign has its properties etc....for example libra ascendants have typically pleasing and lovely smile, cancer ascendants have round eyes etc etc

 

please keep these in mind and comeback with observations. As we are already covering marriage topic in the class, i wanted to keep it different here.

 

I see that most of them have accepted and joined the group. But if you have not already joined, please do so at the earliest.

 

thanks

Ravi

[avvsarathi]

Dear Sir

 

Physical appearance

 

1-color-in my understanding has been combination of lagna lord and aspect on the lagna and planet in lagna. sun in lagna is mostly fair; moon in waning is also causing fairness. seek comments.

 

vijayasarathi

[Dr. Samathha Reddy]

To add to Vijayasarathi's respons :

Other than complexion how about things like : built - tall vs short, atheletic vs heavy built ,
dignified look etc.

I think body language of a person should also be considered as part of physical
appearance. 

For eg. aspect of Sun on lagna would give a  "royal" or  "dignified" or leader like
appearance. I put it in quotes because, some might say "arrogant" appearance.

Aspect of Mars on lagna, would give an atheletic built, an impulsive looking
person or a fighter like attitude

Aspect of Mercury on lagna, would probably give a fidgety /  nervous looking person.

Jupiter aspect would probably give a heavy set appearance.

What can we infer if lagnadhipati is not well placed or is in sign of his debilitation ?
That the person will have a weak body ? Not necessarily poor health ?

Comments are appreciated.

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[Ravindranath Tamma]

yes all these are very much true. The interesting thing is to note whether the presence of these planets will manifest the qualities physically or attitude wise. For example sun in lagna would mean the persons thoughts are noble and royal and like a tiger, daring and dashing or will the person look like that.

 

What i have traditionally found is at a very 30,000 feet level, all the moon stars, venus stars, jupiter stars and mercury stars if unafflicted otherwise are good looking in terms of color, complexion, facial cuts etc etc. un afflicted meaning no presence or aspect of saturn, rahu/ketu, sun and mars etc. of course lagnadhipathi is also important.

 

the weakness to lagnadhipathi manifests in the health area as well.

 

Yes physical looks are important. For example in most charts i have seen, typically tall people are either from kumbha lagna or mithuna lagna.

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[Dr. Samathha Reddy]

For eg. let's say lagnadhipathi is in debilitation and thus gives a short or medium
stature or lean body :

I'm tempted not to associate lean or little / short built with poor health.

We all the time see skinny, short or medium built people, with no striking features
but are in perfect health. I actually find that they are more healthy than the heavy
set, slow moving people. No offense to anybody, just saying what I observed.


Regarding what Ravi said with Sun in lagna or aspecting lagna : will the person have noble
thoughts ? or will he just look or behave like a leader ?

I think a person can have a royal attitude but for wrong reasons. He can also have a
royal attitude and with right intentions / noble thoughts. So there are other modifying factors
to consider. Nevertheless, the person with Sun influence on lagna will have a royal / arrogant
appearance and attitude for good or bad.

I've not looked at their charts, just generalizing. 

Where do we draw the line between physical appearance and attitude ?

These are two different things altogether. Because we do see people with great looks / appearance
by modern standards of beauty, but have a very poor attitude. For eg. they might look
like fit to be a King or a Queen but completely lacking in character. They just
appear to be so.


Has anybody come across any source / reference where they talk about disposition
of lagnadhipati and thus the effect on health ? If so please share it.


Comments are appreciated.

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[Dr. Samathha Reddy]

First House: Physical body, complexion, appearance, head, intelligence, strength,
energy, fame, success, nature of birth, caste (irrelevant today, maybe we can say
socioeconomic status).

Rasi D-1 Existence at the physical level

Shashthamsa D-6 Health troubles

To clarify :

In my prior mail in reference to 1st house, lagnadhipati, I was saying appearance / body language,
not attitude or character. Clearly these are two different things.


Not sure where you see character from. Maybe Navamsa D-9 or Nakshatramsa D-27

Navamsa D-9

Marriage and everything related to spouse(s), dharma (duty and righteousness), interaction with
other people, basic skills, inner self

Nakshatramsa D-27 Strengths and weaknesses, inherent nature


Comments are appreciated

[susin...@yahoo.com]

I read in a book(cannot recall the name at preset) that to consider the strength of lagna, L1, sun and moon. Depending upon which has the greatest strength , that will have agreater influence on defining the physical and mental traits. Strenght should be seen in D1, D9 and other charts. The deeptadi awastha of these planets needs to be considere as well.

For ex, Sun in lagna might be debilitated. This can dilute the nobility factor. An exalted sun in 10th house with directional strength can overshadow the contribution of weak L1.

In sum total, we need to start with the above factors to draw the basic canvas of phsique and personality and then paint it in more detail taking shubh or paap kartari yogas, aspect, conj with other planets, vargas etc

Extending it to the first level, we need to modulate above by the type of ascendants. Exalted Sun for Aries has a different meaning than for capricorn. If Saturn is debilitated for capri (being L1) but Sun (L8) exalted in 4th house and being conj by deb L1 can lead to interesting situations. Here L1 deb is under neech bhanga, L1 aspects 1H, 10H and 6H (is karak for 6H). So although deb, this L1 might not necessarily give bad health, but can give disturbed family life with a ups and downs in career that might have some association with dealing with masses. Also there can be ascenario of healthy short life on one end and a long but diseased life at the other extreme

Regards
Surinder

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[Vijay Sarathi]

Now, lagna on physical appearance -europeans,japanese,chinese, russians, half of americans are fair because they are over the tropic of cancer; between tropic of cancer and  equator it has been combinations of color depending on latitiudes between equator and tropic of capricorn again has been combinations depending on latitiudes and above tropic of capricorn it is again fair.   Suns rays are direct in tropic cancer to tropic of capricorn thus these combinations and physical appearances; the rest of the world is thus different in color,speech,appearances.   It proves Sun is the vital key in appearances,thoughts,speech,diversity. Lagna position gives the nobility,thoughts,speech.    We as Indians especially most of India should be proud that we are between the tropics and equator making us a country of diverse languages,cultures,people,wonderful sciences,divine temples and so so so many...The rest of the world is so envious about us and we seek there cultures just because we have not understood the divinity in placement of our country on the mother earth mainly because of the divine role. Budhha also chose our nation for his enlightment, give me names of enlighted people from any other nation, we can confirm our India would ahve played a role even in his enlightment.   Best Regards   Vijayasarathi       --- On Mon, 3/9/12, susin...@yahoo.com <susin...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[susin...@yahoo.com]

While it is undeniable that birth in India has huge karmic implications, the effect of Sun Moon etc on complexion is relative to the race of the native. Inflnc of saturn on 1H or L1 shud result in darker complxn relative to other natives of same race.

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[Dr. Samathha Reddy]

Thanks! Surinder...for the great explanation.

Yep! there are multiple factors to consider.

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