Fwd: Your support on LGBTI
Sarfaraz Ahmed
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From: Malik Bahi <misfpa...@gmail.com>
Date: 15 Sep 2007 13:22
Subject: Re: Your support on LGBTI
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Cc: Ghazala <ga...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz>, Ather Ali <atheral...@hotmail.com>, daa...@aol.com, abbassm...@gmail.com
1). She is Chairman of Homosexual in all over the World.
2). After announcing the motto of "Roshan Khayali" Gen. Musharraf invite her in Pakistan to permote Homosexual.
3). Gen. Musharraf also appoints her as Vice Chancellor of International Islamic University Islamabad.4). When she start special classes on Homosexual in International Islamic University Islamabad.
5). Some Female students of the University complain to Mr. Irfan Siddiqui (Senior Article Writer Daily Nawaiwaqat).
6). Mr. Irfan Siddiqui (Senior Article Writer Daily Nawaiwaqat) write an Article on this topic in Daily Nawa-I-Waqat and demand to the Supreme Court that deport her or punished her.
7). Mean while she also invited in the TV programme of ARY ONE WORLD and she announced that Homosexual is allow in Islam, she also request to Pakistan rolling party to allow the Homosexual in Pakistan.
8). When Electronic Media start debates on Ms. Ghazala activities, Gen Musharraf send her back to Europe.Now a days she is working all over the World especially in Pakistan, recently case of Shumail Raaj etc is the result of Ms. Ghazala teaching/campaign about the Homosexual in Pakistan.
Her team is working in Karachi, Islamabad, Lahore and Faisalabad & Peshawar. She also open a new
Homosexual Club in F-10 Islamabad with cooperation of Gen. Musharraf and some female Ministers. Club opening ceremony was held after 3 days Lal Masjid Operation.Muhammad Abu-Suffian Malik
Very funny mail Ms Ghazala, hahahahahahaha...............Ms you should appreciate me for I am trying to tell you the truth instead I appreciate and once again you could not prove and provide any material which support your anti-Islamic views.Look at the sentence you have quoted in your mail"There are LGBTQI people in every group and community. You can deny that exist, or kill them if they are found out or find a way for them to be honourable and responsible members of the ummah. Which do you think is the closest to 'adl and ihsan?" How strange!In this statement you are trying to convey your thinking (so called this is Islam in your views) that whoever commit sins we should not teach them that this is a wrong act and this is against Islam because our God and our Beloved Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) forbade all these shameless acts instead we should protect them and give a respectable status in the Ummah.I am not telling that they should be killed out but we can tell them about true Islam and we must.This is a case of common sence apart from Islamic teaching that by doing this these crimes' ratio will go up and up and I can't beleive this that being a doctor (I should not call you doctor) you are permitting this and saying that this is closest to Islam. In this way you are participating in escalating the aids ratio.I am forwarding you the following two links and hope you will study and further mull over your support to lgbti with a truth accepting mind.
/fiqh/Homosexuality.htmPlz save yourself and your followers from.............Irfan
On 9/15/07, Ghazala <ga...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz > wrote:Irfan Bhai,
Thanks for your concern for my soul. I always remember death and my accountability for my actions. I am not sure why you bothered to contact me since I have not made any efforts to make my views public or to contact people like yourself.
It is people like you who have done this favour to yourself. Remember that Islam is neither Eastern nor Western nor the truth the monopoly of any one group. Do you belong to any particular group or are you a self-appointed muhatasib? There are good and false people everywhere. So make honesty your criterion. There are LGBTQI people in every group and community. You can deny that exist, or kill them if they are found out or find a way for them to be honourable and responsible members of the ummah. Which do you think is the closest to 'adl and ihsan? One ethics and one sexual ethics of honesty, fairness, mutual consent, commitment, love and mercy should apply to all humans regardless of their gender identity or sexual orientation. This is closest to Islam. The story of Lot has become a mutashabiha and a pretext to persecute and kill those who are created different whether this difference is apparent to the eye or not.
I hope you appreciate the time that I am giving you and I hope that you continue to investigate this matter. The same mullahs who froth at the mouth talking about homosexuality and pass death sentences on LGBTQI physically and sexually abuse the male boys under their charge. Now that is haraam.
Fi amanillah,
ghazala
From: irfan siddique [mailto: irfan.si...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 14 September 2007 6:53 p.m.
To: Ghazala
Cc: Ather Ali; daa...@aol.com; abbassm...@gmail.com; nauman shehzad
Subject: Re: Your support on LGBTI
Ms Ghazala
Very well and a long meaningless speech in which you could not prove your support to lgbti. Let me reply your first mail then i will come to your current mail.
I dont have craze to contact you and even I don't wish to contact you people but there is something that knocked my heart that I should warn you that according to Holy Qur'an "Everyone has to die" therefore you will have to be answerable for all your shameless views in the hereafter.
While writing this reply i m thinking that may be by reading my views you could be able to bring yourself out from all this stupid and manipulated interpretations of Islam which people, in minority, like salman rushdi(satan rushdi) and you have done for your own temporary fame.
You people wish to be more and more famous in the eyes of stupid europeans and americans and forgot that the real fame must be in the eyes of Almighty Allah.
Mr. Ather gave you beautiful specific related references so I think these references would be sufficient for you people to force you to even think that you r a Muslim. And if you succeed in this regard You would be able to repent on your views in favour of LGBTI.
In this regard I would like to advice you to study and try to understand the Holy Qur'an and Ahadeeth in which the story of Hazrat Loot's people (Alaihissalam) was mentioned.
Now come to your current mail in which you did a long speech but could not prove your view point in favour of lgbti. In Your mail you just talked about God's and His Prophet's compassion(Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) which we all Muslims do know very well.
In your mail you said that "Islam is not submission to Bukhari or Muslim. We can learn from them, develop the methods that they initiated for sorting through false and authentic reports and keep going forward".
This is absolutely wrong statement from you bcz Bukhari and Mulsim are the most authentic books of Ahadeeth about which no sect has any doubt and from these ahadeeth we take practical guidance for all our life matters for example in Qur'an it is mentioned that "You must offer prayer" but the way how to offer prayer is not mentioned, for this we have to consult Bukhari and Muslim for practical.
Hope this would suffice you to save yourself and your followers from the severe punishment of God bcz our God is so compassionate as well as Jabbar and Qahhar.
Always keep in mind that we have to die and will be answerable for our deeds.
May Allah show us right path.
Irfan
On 9/13/07, Ghazala <ga...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
(Daayiee please forward this to Muhsin. I am not able to access his email
address at the moment)
As salaam o alaikum,
Dear Brothers,
It is good that you are trying to reason. The issue of sexual minorities
(which includes people who are born inter-sex) is much larger than the story
of the people of Lot. Just like there can be rape, violence and
exploitation between heterosexual couples the same can also happen between
same sex couples and no one claims that it is good or right. There has been
much exegesis in Jewish, Christian and Muslim theology on the story of Lot
and new and different interpretations have been presented which are at least
as plausible as the one that you subscribe to. Imam Muhsin Hendricks has
done much research on this topic and Brother Daayiee will forward this to
him so he can share the results of his research with you. Muslims are
commanded to conduct themselves with adl and ihsan, justice and kindness.
These apply to all human relations. They are also commanded to use their
'aql. So we cannot ignore the current scientific research on the issue of
gender, sexuality, sexual attraction etc. What is important is how we treat
each other and not the gender composition of the couple. If a man beats his
wife and then rapes her at night, can this be called good? Well the so
called mullahs will say that it is his right to beat her if she disobeys him
and to mount her whether she desires him or not....We need to think
honestly. People's discomfort with the rights of sexual minorities has much
more to do with the lack of adl, ihsan, love, equity and justice in
heterosexual relations and in male female relations in conservative muslim
societies than with the sexual minorities themselves. If we grant them
rights on the basis that this is how they were born and created by Allah
then we need to come back and reflect on our own very inadequate
heterosexual relations and measure them with the yardstick of love and
compassion. The Quran and the Sunnah are not weapons to use against people.
The Quran states that "God bound Himself by the law of compassion" (kataba
ala nafishir rahma) and the Quran describes the Prophet as rahamtullil
aalamin i.e. mercy for all the worlds. So the sunnah of God and his Prophet
is rahmah, compassion. The hadith literature is a much later development
and like any other corpus it has its shortcomings and errors. We are bound
by that. We need to use our 'aql and the yardstick of "compassion for all
the worlds", that is the sunnah of the Prophet to sort through the hadith
literature much of which developed to support sectarian views. Look at the
state of the Muslim world. Muslims are voting with their feet by exiting
from it to the West because the inadequacies of our inherited ways of
framing Islam. Islam is submission to the Divine not to out dated
methodologies and modes of thought. Islam is not submission to Bukhari or
Muslim. We can learn from them, develop the methods that they initiated for
sorting through false and authentic reports and keep going forward...
We can continue to hate and kill each other or open our hearts to the light
of truth based in our experiences as God is within us, closer to our jugular
veins as much as God is without us. God cannot be imprisoned in the textual
interpretations of a few men. God speaks to all of us and through all of us
and when we acknowledge the truth about ourselves, be it a deep love for a
person of the same apparent gender, we are affirming the creative genius of
Allah. Each human being is a unique combination of biological maleness and
femaleness as science through genetic research is revealing. This is how we
were created male and female, each one of us. And so this is one way we can
read a verse of the Quran which says "we created you male and female".
I hope that you will continue to think and forget about controlling others
through death threats. Give up violence and submit to Allah and pray that
the criterion of truth placed in every heart becomes clear and operative in
your lives so you can sort through the received information in its light ...
Ramazan Mubarak,
ghazala
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From: Ather Ali [mailto:atheral...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 10:54 p.m .
To: irfan.si...@gmail.com
Cc: ga...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: RE: Fwd: Your support on LGBTI
This is not a matter of love or hate. the question of open minded and
conservative is separate issue.
These type of people like Dr. Ghazala Anwer leads other people also to the
depths of hell. God has clearly described the limits for love and hate.
Those peolple who interpret their own meanings or want to live according to
their own understanding (instead of Quran and Sunnah) are actually followers
of devil.
Why God has punished the Lot's people. All the people except the family of
Hazrat Lot (A.S) were destroyed because their city was filled with evil. Its
residents waylaid, robbed and killed travelers. Another common evil among
them was that men had sex with men instead of with women. This unnatural act
later became known as sodomy (after the city of Sodom). It was practiced
openly and unashamedly. It was at the height of these crimes and sins that
Allâh revealed to Prophet Lot peace be upon him that he should summon the
people to give up their indecent behavior, but they were so deeply sunk in
their immoral habits that they were deaf to Lot's preaching. Swamped in
their unnatural desires, they refused to listen, even when Hazrat Lot (A.S)
warned them of Allâh's punishment. Instead, they threatened to drive him out
of the city if he kept on preaching.
These people will always try to impress you by emotional words like her
under mentioned mail. these are really a "Fitna of Non-muslims". You are not
in any need of their prayer but you should pray for them that they come to
right path.
May Allah save us from these people and their evils.
>From: "irfan siddique" < irfan.si...@gmail.com>
>To: atheral...@hotmail.com
>Subject: Fwd: Your support on LGBTI
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:09:46 +0500
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>From: Ghazala <ga...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz >
>Date: Sep 13, 2007 2:17 AM
>Subject: RE: Your support on LGBTI
>To: irfan siddique < irfan.si...@gmail.com>
>
> You deserve better teachers so your mind and heart can open. And you
>understand the compassion of God. This my prayer for you. But if you
>remain hateful, your hate will create hell fire for you that will consume
>your heart and there will be no peace for you anywhere. This too is my
>prayer for all those who hate. Do not dump your hate on me learn to
>understand and to love. You have no power of either hurting or benefitting
>me. Please do not contact me again this is against adab.
>
>ghazala
>
>
>
>*From:* irfan siddique [mailto: irfan.si...@gmail.com ]
>*Sent:* Wednesday, 12 September 2007 10:12 p.m.
>*To:* ghazal...@canterbury.ac.nz
>*Subject:* Your support on LGBTI
>
>
>
>you r realy a fitna of enemies of Islam. you deserve a punishment of death
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Dear Sarfraz,
Ye nahe Samjay Gi , ye jiss mahool main pali barhi hai wahan door door tak Islam ko koi janta bi nahee ho Ga. Abi aap issay call kareen aur kahee first 4 kalmay sunai, Namaz sunai, duway qanoot sunaai, Islam Kay arkan kia hain , issay kia iss Kay parents ko nahee pata hoo Ga, iss say migaz khapai maat kero , ye qoom nahee sudaray hi, Europe ,US jiss gandgi say nikalna chahta hai ye uss gandgi main jana chahtay hain , Ye quan ko study nahee kartay, Hadees ki books aur Islamic history nahee partay bus logogon ki logicis Kay paro kaar hai. Inhee kia pata meray Nabi(Pcbuh) nay kitnay dukh uhtay iss ummat key liay aur ye kia ker rahi hai , Allah inn ko deen ki samaj booj ata karay ,. Aameen .
Regards
Shoukat
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