Re: Gospel of Thomas Saying 26

[Bandera Ken]

Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:40 pm, Steve said:
Fix your own head first. -Steve W.

Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:41 pm, I said:
If you are tempted to instruct someone else you might want to look at
yourself first.

Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:43 pm, I added:
And to me there is a slightly deeper meaning. Since my own head will
never be totally fixed in the material world, I should never attempt
to fix someone else's head.

Sep 26, 2006 06:49 PDT, Gnostic Tom said:
blocking the view,
antiquated ideas, prejudices, bigotries, habits,
ambitions, social conformings, adaptations,
creeds, dogmatic assertions, narrow mindedness...

it is easier to look at others
who have such things blocking their spiritual vision
and to point out that they are missing the big
picture because of these religious "blocks"
than it is to admit that "I" have
things blocking my own spiritual vision.

there is this attitude among fundamentalists of
all brands that if "they" only stopped following
their religion and started to follow the religion
of the fundamentalist that "they" would be all
better. There are Christians trying to save folks
from being Buddhist, wanting them to renounce it all.
There are Wiccans trying to save folks from being
Christian, any god but the Christian god.

there is this state at which we get beyond it all,
that we take that final log out of our vision and
it becomes clear that it doesn't matter who converts
to or from what. what matters is that folks become
clear in experiencing What Is and see beyond all of
the religious distractions in the way.

--Gnostic Tom

Sep 26, 2006 08:39 PDT, slvan- said:
Don't see your friend's sliver as a timber.

Therefore, don't over react if/when you THINK you see fault (in your friend).*

Scott V.

Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:05 pm "letterpi" said:

It is saying that we should examine and improve ourselves
before we look for faults in others. Warmly, Bob

Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:37 am said:
It says to me, i can't help anyone to see clearly, unless i have
perfect vision myself,
and it says, don't go pointing out the issues of others until i've
dealt with my own 'humongous' issue.
a great companion for 'the blind leading the blind'!

Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:37 am Gnostic Tom said:
the inability to see clearly,
being blocked by preconceptions,
by prejudices, by brainwashings,

when we take the time to unlearn,
to remove a timber out of our vision,
and we can see clearer,
we may consider how much more is blocking
our own vision, so we can symphathize
with others who haven't unlearned something
that we have already unlearned

G n o s t i c . T o m
http://www.geocities.com/gnostictom/

Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:00 am eugnostos2000@... said:
IMO, our judgements on others are usually just a reflection of our
own conditioning. Our first task must always be to clearly see our
own conditioning for what it is. This, of course, is very difficult.
-Steve

Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:34 pm itsallrozee@... said:
hi steve, ken and everyone.
yes this was always a favorite one of mine, non-judgement and
acceptance of others and our own imperfections, and it also contains
instruction for tolerance as well! as well as the blind leading the
blind, its also echoing 'judge not lest ye be judged.


Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:19 pm, I said:
Notice that this doesn't say you shouldn't help with the sliver in your friend's eye.
It says to take the timber out of your own eye first so you can see better.

So the trick would be to know when you are finally seeing clearly?

Ken

Thu Jul 1, 2010 1:14 pm, Sam said:
Be concerned with living couth & ruth...
ere finding-fault... with other folk's truth.


itso,
philo

[Bandera Ken]

What does this saying say to your heart?

26 Jesus said, "You see the sliver in your friend's eye, but you don't see the timber in your
own eye. When you take the timber out of your own eye, then you will see well enough to
remove the sliver from your friend's eye."
.................................

26) Jesus said, "You see the mote in your brothers eye, but you
do not see the beam in your own eye. When you cast the beam out
of your own eye, then you will see clearly to cast the mote from
your brother's eye."
..................................

26 You see the mote
within your brothers eye
but you do not see the beam
within your own.
Once you have extracted the beam
from your own eye,
you can remove the mote from your brothers.
...............................

26. Y'shua says: The mote which is in thy Brother's eye thou see-- but the plank that is in
thine own eye thou see not. When thou cast the plank out of thine own eye, then shall
thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy Brother's eye.
..........................

(26) Jesus says:
(1) "You see the splinter that is in your brother's eye,
but you do not see the beam that is in your (own) eye.
(2) When you remove the beam from your (own) eye,
then you will see clearly (enough) to remove the splinter from your
brother's eye."
..........................

26 The speck and the beam
JESUS said, "You (sing.) see the speck in your sibling's eye, but you do
not see the beam in your own eye. When you expel the beam from your own
eye then you will be able to see to expel the speck from the eye of your
sibling."

http://www.westarinstitute.org/Polebridge/Excerpts/thomas.html

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

http://www.ntgateway.com/noncanonical-texts/gospel-of-thomas/