Ihave a PSD that uses helvetica neue heavy and helvetica neue light. However, these exact fonts are not listed in Typekit but it's an Adobe font. Is anyone able to get these fonts with the "portfolio and or performance" plan? If not would you recommend that I buy the fonts from
fonts.com or a similar seller?
Not having Helvetica continues to be a HUGE issue. Helvetica has been the default font used on so much creative over the years, there's tons of artwork that was set in Helvetica and Helvetica Neue. Not having Helvetica Neue on Typekit is a HUGE disconnect and something Adobe needs to correct. They sold everyone their font CDs years ago, and not to have those same fonts available on Typekit has been and will continue to be a HUGE problem. I'm sure it has something to do with paying the type foundries royalties or some other sort of financial decision. The bottom line is, I have YEARS worth of creative with tons of Helvetica and Helvectica Neue typesetting. Helvetica was and still is a terrific font for blocks of dense text and legal copy in documents. The Helvetica Neue kerning pairs were also much better than the base Helvetica, so tons of people migrated to Helvetica Neue when it was introcduced. Adobe needs to add all the fonts that they origanlly sold on their CDs onto Typekit. Not doing that is a HUGE disconnect to their business and supporting their long standing and LOYAL customers... It shouldn't matter if they make a couple nickels less on some of the fonts, do the right thing and add all the fonts. Why should we have to settle for "alternatives"? Stop messing around, add the Helveticas to Typekit, and in fact, add all the CD fonts to Typekit! They're "oldies but goodies," and a vast majority of the Adobe Community needs those fonts to get our work done!
Previous message said it perfectly. Helvetica is a classic typeface and is a huge problem if it's not provided by Adobe. I have a client who uses it for everything and doesn't want to change. Come on Adobe, sort this one out and provide designers with such a staple as Helvetica.
As a pre press operator I could not have said it better, we have years and years of work that always get edited when we reprint something, now what do we do?!!! this is diabolical! especially when we pay through the teeth for the subscriptions! Greed I suspect?
An Adobe CC subscription does not give any customers a limitless supply of commercial fonts. I'm thankful for what we get with the Adobe Fonts service, which is quite a lot. It sure beats the small amount of fonts that were included in past perpetual license Creative Suite products. I have a Master Collection CS5.5 box and IIRC it had hardly any bundled fonts at all.
Any businesses that need to use a certain commercial type family frequently should buy a license of it, even if those fonts are available to sync via Adobe Fonts. From time to time participating type foundries will remove their fonts from the service.
Fonts costing money is a fact of life. It takes a great deal of work to create a typeface that lives up to modern standards. Type designers can't be expected to do all that work for nothing. I'll try to jump on introductory pricing specials when certain high profile type families are first released. Monotype's "static" version of Helvetica Now cost $99 initially. The variable version was $199 initially. Both packages cost a lot more now.
The truth of it, the bottom line of it all, is that Adobe can cut any deal they want with any type foundry they want. They're Adobe for God sakes, they're HUGE. It shouldn't matter what the deal would cost, it's about supporting their customer' needs. They had Helvetica Nueue as part of the fonts they sold, and then, it became "cost prohibitive" for them to continue to include it in their font collection. Adobe should do what it takes to support it's users on the classic fonts and stop advocting a solution that involves "substitite or adjacent" fonts. There is no substitute to the classics, that's why they're classices! Helvetica is a classic!
Look what happened with the Pantone mess. Pantone decided they wanted to force Adobe customers to use their "Connect" plugin, which costs something like $180 per year. That's a lot of money just to essentially have up to date Pantone digital swatch book ACB files. That price does not include the physical swatch books. A Pantone+ Color Formula Guide of coated and uncoated swatches costs around $200. Those printed swatch books are supposed to be replaced on an annual basis. Pantone wants you to buy those physical swatches and then pay another almost couple hundred for some ACB files to go with the swatch books. Meanwhile, competing applications such as CorelDRAW and Affinity Designer have the "V5" Pantone swatch books still included in their applications for no extra charge. I think Pantone singled out Adobe due to its large size. It doesn't look like Pantone is making versions of its Connect plugin to work with CorelDRAW, Affinity Designer or any other rival graphics applications.
If anything, Adobe should have been charging Pantone a fee to include its swatch books in Adobe's applications. Those swatch books are, in a way, a form of advertising. There are other swatch book companies such as Toyo and Trumatch. And swatch books from those companies are still included in Adobe software.
Dolby is another example. They wanted a certain amount of money per subscriber for Adobe to continue including Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus encoding within Premiere Pro and Audition. Adobe removed the Dolby encoding capabilities in response. Maybe that was Dolby's idea all along. The encoding software Dolby sells is not cheap.
Back to Monotype and Helvetica, there is another factor likely preventing Helvetica from showing up in the Adobe Fonts service: Monotype has its own font subscription service. They've really been pushing it hard lately. I've received lots of email from the MyFonts website about a $5000 sweepstakes; to enter you have to sign up for a Monotype fonts subscription. It's $199 per year for access to around 40,000 fonts (including Helvetica). Currently Monotype has 41 type families hosted on Adobe Fonts. It would not surprise me if Monotype decided to remove all of them in order to get more people to subscribe to their fonts service. Other companies have removed their fonts from Adobe Fonts. Font Bureau is the biggest example. Foundries like Font Bureau have to work with individual type designers. Some of those type designers restored typefaces they designed back on Adobe Fonts after Font Bureau had them removed.
I agree Helvetica is a classic. If a certain typeface is important enough to someone's work flow they often just have to "pony up" and buy a copy. I did that with the two Helvetica Now releases in 2019 and 2021. I'm expecting a second Helvetica Now Variable release sometime in the future since the 2021 variable release has a width axis that only goes from normal to compressed. Monotype will probably ding Helvetica fans again with a "Helvetica Now 2" that has a variable axis going from normal to wide.
I fully agree. That is absolutely absurd for Adobe to cut out Helvetica when it is the MOST used font. So many of my clients have this as their brand font and there is NONE of them would be okay with using an alternative.
Adobe does not own the Helvetica typeface or have any legal rights to bundle it into the Adobe Fonts service. Helvetica is now owned by Monotype, due in part to Monotype acquiring Linotype in 2006. Linotype had the rights to Helvetica many years prior to that and developed the Helvetica Neue family in the early 1980's (via Stempel AG, a Linotype subsidiary). In recent years Monotype developed and released static and variable versions of Helvetica Now.
Adobe would have to make some kind of deal with Monotype in order to include any of the multiple versions of Helvetica available in digital form, be it the original 1957 cut, the 1980's neue versions or the recent now versions.
Nimbus Sans is a pretty close imitation of Helvetica Neue. Numerous other Helvetica clones (or Helveti-clones) have been made over the years, such as Bitstream's Swiss 721 family or Compugraphics' GC Triumvirate.
Monotype has around 40 or so type families hosted on Adobe Fonts. Two families are related to Helvetica. New Haas Grotesk is a revival of the original cut of Helvetica from Max Miedinger. New Haas Grotesk was the typeface's original name before it was renamed "Helvetica." Then there is New Haas Unica, which is a cross between Helvetica and Univers. I spent $100 (introductory price) buying a copy when it was first introduced. It's a little annoying spending money on commercial type only to find the same type families available on Adobe Fonts months or years later.
thank you for your explanation. It was a very helpful way of finding fonts for the quite typical scenario, that I receive files (Illustrator, Cinema 4d, etc.) from a designer, and will do an animation for the client. Oftentimes there are fonts used that I don't have and cannot price in, but having a similar font will do the job. So it was great to have an approach via "alternative to ...". For me it was the ease of use and the time saving, since I do not know the alternatives by heart.
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