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Jun 15, 2005, 3:02:56 PM6/15/05
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I will host pdf files on my IIS 6.0 server (Windows 2003 web edition). I want people from the internet to be able to view these pdf files wihout them having acrobat reader or some sort of activex or plugin installed on their PC's. I want the pdf to open in IE directly (some sort of encapsulation I guess). I guess what I need is some sort of 'motor / application' that runs on my IIS server and activates when someone clicks on a pdf file so it opens that pdf in an IE window.
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I will host pdf files on my IIS 6.0 server (Windows 2003 web edition). I want people from the internet to be able to view these pdf files wihout them having acrobat reader or some sort of activex or plugin installed on their PC's. I want the pdf to open in IE directly (some sort of encapsulation I guess). I guess what I need is some sort of 'motor / application' that runs on my IIS server and activates when someone clicks on a pdf file so it opens that pdf in an IE window.
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From: aandi
What do you envisage this "motor" doing? Converting to a GIF and sending that to the browser instead of the PDF?
What do you envisage this "motor" doing? Converting to a GIF and sending that to the browser instead of the PDF?
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Jun 15, 2005, 4:15:35 PM6/15/05
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Actually, I would of wanted it to stay in PDF format and just make it open in a new IE window. I was wondering if the 'motor / component' could work 100% from the server side without the client having to install anything on his PC. Since I am really not a web programmer, I tought that I could do all the work from the server instead of spliting the work with the client like a Java (or other kind) of applet. If I 100% cannot achieve this, maybe I would be open to converting the PDF file to some other format (that would open in a new IE window).
Actually, I would of wanted it to stay in PDF format and just make it open in a new IE window. I was wondering if the 'motor / component' could work 100% from the server side without the client having to install anything on his PC. Since I am really not a web programmer, I tought that I could do all the work from the server instead of spliting the work with the client like a Java (or other kind) of applet. If I 100% cannot achieve this, maybe I would be open to converting the PDF file to some other format (that would open in a new IE window).
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Jun 15, 2005, 4:54:54 PM6/15/05
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From: "LeonardR" <leon...@pdfsages.com>
A web browser knows how to display certain formats on it's own
(HTML, XML, GIF, JPEG, etc.) and then it relies on plugins to display other
formats (PDF, SWF/Flash, QuickTime, WMP, etc.). So if you don't want to
require the user to download any plugins, you have to present only those
types of content that it knows about.
>Since I am really not a web programmer, I tought that I could do all the
>work from the server instead of spliting the work with the client like a
>Java (or other kind) of applet.
Applets are downloaded from the server to the client - think of
them as dynamic plugins.
There are applets that can view PDFs - though most are limited in
functionality.
Leonard
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At 04:15 PM 6/15/2005, p-pdf-general Listmanager wrote:
>Actually, I would of wanted it to stay in PDF format and just make it open
>in a new IE window. I was wondering if the 'motor / component' could work
>100% from the server side without the client having to install anything on
>his PC.
No, it can't work that way - think about it.
>Actually, I would of wanted it to stay in PDF format and just make it open
>in a new IE window. I was wondering if the 'motor / component' could work
>100% from the server side without the client having to install anything on
>his PC.
A web browser knows how to display certain formats on it's own
(HTML, XML, GIF, JPEG, etc.) and then it relies on plugins to display other
formats (PDF, SWF/Flash, QuickTime, WMP, etc.). So if you don't want to
require the user to download any plugins, you have to present only those
types of content that it knows about.
>Since I am really not a web programmer, I tought that I could do all the
>work from the server instead of spliting the work with the client like a
>Java (or other kind) of applet.
them as dynamic plugins.
There are applets that can view PDFs - though most are limited in
functionality.
Leonard
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Jun 15, 2005, 5:06:16 PM6/15/05
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From: "kingmarino" <ffon...@solutions-rts.com>
Ok,
Then, if I choose to go with another format, which one would be best, for the user to print what he sees from this new IE window?
I would of liked the user to be able to search trough the text, and with a simple image that wont be possible :( Would it be then better to convert it back to simple html? (would this work if my PDF files have images in them)?
Thanks
Ok,
Then, if I choose to go with another format, which one would be best, for the user to print what he sees from this new IE window?
I would of liked the user to be able to search trough the text, and with a simple image that wont be possible :( Would it be then better to convert it back to simple html? (would this work if my PDF files have images in them)?
Thanks
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Jun 15, 2005, 6:12:39 PM6/15/05
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Why?
Sounds like a lot of bandwidth just to keep people from installing the
free reader.
Doug Horn
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Why?
Sounds like a lot of bandwidth just to keep people from installing the
free reader.
Doug Horn
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I will host pdf files on my IIS 6.0 server (Windows 2003 web edition).
I want people from the internet to be able to view these pdf files
wihout them having acrobat reader or some sort of activex or plugin
installed on their PC's. I want the pdf to open in IE directly (some
sort of encapsulation I guess). I guess what I need is some sort of
'motor / application' that runs on my IIS server and activates when
someone clicks on a pdf file so it opens that pdf in an IE window.
Thanks in advance
I want people from the internet to be able to view these pdf files
wihout them having acrobat reader or some sort of activex or plugin
installed on their PC's. I want the pdf to open in IE directly (some
sort of encapsulation I guess). I guess what I need is some sort of
'motor / application' that runs on my IIS server and activates when
someone clicks on a pdf file so it opens that pdf in an IE window.
Thanks in advance
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Very simple: First reason: because a lot of people dont have adobe acrobat installed and are discouraged when you tell them they have to install something. Second reason: Many people work on computers that are completely locked (Windows policy or other) that prevent activex or other component to be installed..
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Jun 15, 2005, 6:44:26 PM6/15/05
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I will admit there are a lot of people who don't know they have the
reader (no Icon, don't understand what they see on their programs
listing etc.) but in both the business and private locations I have
visited over the years (an believe there are a lot of years there) I
have seen very few users that do not have the reader.
Doug Horn
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I will admit there are a lot of people who don't know they have the
reader (no Icon, don't understand what they see on their programs
listing etc.) but in both the business and private locations I have
visited over the years (an believe there are a lot of years there) I
have seen very few users that do not have the reader.
Doug Horn
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I admit that majority of people have Acrobat installed, but I want to be sure that 100% of users will be able to view my documents...I allready have a bunch of users working in a classroom that dont have acrobat or any kind of plugin to read PDF's and that are working on locked stations..
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There are solutions that convert the PDF to just images (eg.
JPEG). There are those that convert to text+images. Each has advantages
and disadvantages...
>I would of liked the user to be able to search trough the text, and with a
>simple image that wont be possible :(
True.
Then a combination of text + images sounds like a better solution.
Leonard
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At 05:06 PM 6/15/2005, p-pdf-general Listmanager wrote:
>Then, if I choose to go with another format, which one would be best, for
>the user to print what he sees from this new IE window?
Depends.
>Then, if I choose to go with another format, which one would be best, for
>the user to print what he sees from this new IE window?
There are solutions that convert the PDF to just images (eg.
JPEG). There are those that convert to text+images. Each has advantages
and disadvantages...
>I would of liked the user to be able to search trough the text, and with a
>simple image that wont be possible :(
Then a combination of text + images sounds like a better solution.
Leonard
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Jun 15, 2005, 7:02:12 PM6/15/05
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I admit that majority of people have Acrobat installed, but I want to be sure that 100% of users will be able to view my documents...I allready have a bunch of users working in a classroom that dont have acrobat or any kind of plugin to read PDF's and that are working on locked stations..
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Thanks Leonard,
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Then wich 'product/solution' would you recommend if I want this next result:
1-The user browses my web page, and finds the PDF he wants to look at.
2-He clicks on the hyperlink associated to this PDF file
3-A background process (on my IIS 6 server) 'executes/converts' the PDF to the new format (new format to be determine)and pops a new IE window to the user containing the information that was in the PDF.
Thanks
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Jun 15, 2005, 7:19:46 PM6/15/05
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Seems like that would handicap them a whole lot- more that just being
unable to view your stuff. That's too bad. Sure you can convert to
some format other than PDF, but you will loose a LOT plus add overhead
to your server.
Doug Horn
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Seems like that would handicap them a whole lot- more that just being
unable to view your stuff. That's too bad. Sure you can convert to
some format other than PDF, but you will loose a LOT plus add overhead
to your server.
Doug Horn
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I admit that majority of people have Acrobat installed, but I want to be
sure that 100% of users will be able to view my documents...I allready
have a bunch of users working in a classroom that dont have acrobat or
any kind of plugin to read PDF's and that are working on locked
stations..
sure that 100% of users will be able to view my documents...I allready
have a bunch of users working in a classroom that dont have acrobat or
any kind of plugin to read PDF's and that are working on locked
stations..
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Jun 15, 2005, 7:28:09 PM6/15/05
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Actually I dont mind loosing theses features that much cause the only thing the users will need to do is find specific words in the text, and be able to print the document.
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Ok, so why not just provide your pages in HTML format? Why use PDF at all, if you don't want to deliver it to the user? (Which is, if you think about it, what you are saying).
Ok, so why not just provide your pages in HTML format? Why use PDF at all, if you don't want to deliver it to the user? (Which is, if you think about it, what you are saying).
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Jun 15, 2005, 7:52:24 PM6/15/05
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Hehe I knew that one was comming...:)) I know it sounds funny, but the reason is that other people will be working on theses PDF files inside the company. And these internal people will have PDF creator /editor software on their desktops. If I put simple html files on the site, I will have 2 different versions of the same document instead of keeping it only PDF..
Hehe I knew that one was comming...:)) I know it sounds funny, but the reason is that other people will be working on theses PDF files inside the company. And these internal people will have PDF creator /editor software on their desktops. If I put simple html files on the site, I will have 2 different versions of the same document instead of keeping it only PDF..
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Jun 15, 2005, 7:55:33 PM6/15/05
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But you just said you want ANYONE to be able to read these files, without using Acrobat Reader. That implies (or does it?) that you do not provide PDF files to ANYONE.
That does not imply two versions of anything on the web site, only the HTML version.
If that's the case, the whole premise of people creating PDF files in your organisation, for public consumption, is flawed. (Or, correspondingly, your premise of never delivering PDF is flawed).
If there is no point your organisation making PDF for public consumption, then why make PDF? Everyone in your organisation should make HTML.
But you just said you want ANYONE to be able to read these files, without using Acrobat Reader. That implies (or does it?) that you do not provide PDF files to ANYONE.
That does not imply two versions of anything on the web site, only the HTML version.
If that's the case, the whole premise of people creating PDF files in your organisation, for public consumption, is flawed. (Or, correspondingly, your premise of never delivering PDF is flawed).
If there is no point your organisation making PDF for public consumption, then why make PDF? Everyone in your organisation should make HTML.
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Because people outside only need to consult and print. And I want internal people to have all the rich features that PDF can provide. This way I only have 1 document instead of 2 and my internal people are able to send the pdf files to other companie via email, and we all know that PDF is THE universal format, not HTML..:))
Because people outside only need to consult and print. And I want internal people to have all the rich features that PDF can provide. This way I only have 1 document instead of 2 and my internal people are able to send the pdf files to other companie via email, and we all know that PDF is THE universal format, not HTML..:))
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Let me make sure I understand this.
1.Those INSIDE you organization who will touch these files will have the
FULL version of Acrobat.
2. Those inside will be "working" on it. I assume that means more than
commenting.
3. Those OUTSIDE your organization will have only bare bones IE, no
Reader, no non-IE with built in reader.
4. These outside will be only looking.
So now more questions:
What about version control if everyone can "work on it".
If you can spring for everyone to have expensive full Acrobat, why can't
you expect your users to spring for the free reader? The would gain
more than just seeing your stuff.
The people outside your organization, what is their purpose?
Doug Horn
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Let me make sure I understand this.
1.Those INSIDE you organization who will touch these files will have the
FULL version of Acrobat.
2. Those inside will be "working" on it. I assume that means more than
commenting.
3. Those OUTSIDE your organization will have only bare bones IE, no
Reader, no non-IE with built in reader.
4. These outside will be only looking.
So now more questions:
What about version control if everyone can "work on it".
If you can spring for everyone to have expensive full Acrobat, why can't
you expect your users to spring for the free reader? The would gain
more than just seeing your stuff.
The people outside your organization, what is their purpose?
Doug Horn
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But you just said you want ANYONE to be able to read these files,
without using Acrobat Reader. That implies (or does it?) that you do not
provide PDF files to ANYONE.
That does not imply two versions of anything on the web site, only the
HTML version.
If that's the case, the whole premise of people creating PDF files in
your organisation, for public consumption, is flawed. (Or,
correspondingly, your premise of never delivering PDF is flawed).
If there is no point your organisation making PDF for public
consumption, then why make PDF? Everyone in your organisation should
make HTML.
without using Acrobat Reader. That implies (or does it?) that you do not
provide PDF files to ANYONE.
That does not imply two versions of anything on the web site, only the
HTML version.
If that's the case, the whole premise of people creating PDF files in
your organisation, for public consumption, is flawed. (Or,
correspondingly, your premise of never delivering PDF is flawed).
If there is no point your organisation making PDF for public
consumption, then why make PDF? Everyone in your organisation should
make HTML.
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If, "we all know that PDF is THE universal format," why go to all this
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trouble. And why email the file when you can provide links?
Doug Horn
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Because people outside only need to consult and print. And I want
internal people to have all the rich features that PDF can provide.
This way I only have 1 document instead of 2 and my internal people are
able to send the pdf files to other companie via email, and we all know
that PDF is THE universal format, not HTML..:))
internal people to have all the rich features that PDF can provide.
This way I only have 1 document instead of 2 and my internal people are
able to send the pdf files to other companie via email, and we all know
that PDF is THE universal format, not HTML..:))
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Jun 15, 2005, 8:55:31 PM6/15/05
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From: "kingmarino" <ffon...@solutions-rts.com>
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Ok,
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Its not about giving/buying acrobat for one guy and not for another. Its about people inside working with full feature software on PDF files and giving people outside that dont have a activex or full acrobat reader the oportunity to read them....
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Jun 15, 2005, 9:01:34 PM6/15/05
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From: aandi
Ok, so how about just extracting the text from the PDFs and putting that on the web site. A one of process (per document), nothing like so complex as setting up something to convert at the time someone browses?
Ok, so how about just extracting the text from the PDFs and putting that on the web site. A one of process (per document), nothing like so complex as setting up something to convert at the time someone browses?
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Jun 15, 2005, 11:58:24 PM6/15/05
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From: "kingmarino" <ffon...@solutions-rts.com>
Knowing that the process to convert the PDF to another format is some kind of 'complicated' I agree that the 'one step' conversion process of every document seems the shortest way around. Anyways, if someone has an idea of how I could make IE open a PDF without having acrobat or activex installed on the client side, fell free to send it...
Thanks
Knowing that the process to convert the PDF to another format is some kind of 'complicated' I agree that the 'one step' conversion process of every document seems the shortest way around. Anyways, if someone has an idea of how I could make IE open a PDF without having acrobat or activex installed on the client side, fell free to send it...
Thanks
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