The Foxe And The Hound Rs Grey
Dot Liljenquist
circles are a good indication, some hounds cant pressure game enough to really judge what off game they are really running. If there is a fox pen in your area, find some foxhound guys and go with them at night. I really believe most hunters would really learn alot about whats going on if they would hunt some "off game" with other hound guys.
capt. ag. We run fox with foxhounds and I assure you reds will climb a tree when the pressure is on. Seen it several times. Doubtful a coonhound will pressure one that hard, but we have treed reds with our foxhound packs.
quote:Originally posted by Larry Atherton
One or two loops and then gone in a straight line and repeat. I have one that is bad right now, and I haven't been able to break him. I have been trying to place him with a yote or fox hunter for over a year. His time is about to run out. He has to Feb 1st, and then I am done.
larry you can sale that dog for alot if it'll run and tree a grey fox.
and joseph is rite reds will go up a tree, seen it happen myself, my grandfather had a pack of july's that treed one before.
If you have any kind of hunch its running some off game, blast it with the shocker, don't fry it but buzz it.. if it has the desire to tree coons it'll stay on coons and work its way off the junk.. but its ben my experience that most greys make a huge wide circle and run it around and around and each time it gets smaller and smaller, and then they finally tree.. reds are a toss of a coin, b line or do circles.. the idea with a fox is to try and push it so hard it just has to keep going untill it gets out of its usual territory then its dumb and will be caught normally by the dogs with no problem.. anywho.. have a good one
I recommend you speak with some of your older local fox hunters. I hunted foxes with hounds from the time I was 10 until about 18 yrs of age. It was my experiemce that foxes don't tap trees. Anytime I went to a fox hound that was tapping a tree it was either empty or had a coon or possum. I only treed 1 fox in those 8 years of hunting 2-3 nights per week. That fox treed because the dogs were about to catch it.
If your hound runs a track for 1 hour or more, and has never tapped a tree once, you can be 90% sure he is running a deer or fox. The other 10% of the time this happens to you he may be running a coon, cat, or something else.
Greys usually run approx. 1/2 mile circle and like rabbit cover, Reds run 1/2 to 2 mile circles and like pasture fields & cleam woods.
Just my opinion, hope this helps!
Tonight I could tell that we had run a yote due to the fact that the hollow log that the dog got treed on had a yote in it! Never seen this before. It was about 25 feet into a down basswood. It will not come out ever.__________________
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quote:Originally posted by Rocketman55
I recommend you speak with some of your older local fox hunters. I hunted foxes with hounds from the time I was 10 until about 18 yrs of age. It was my experiemce that foxes don't tap trees. Anytime I went to a fox hound that was tapping a tree it was either empty or had a coon or possum. I only treed 1 fox in those 8 years of hunting 2-3 nights per week. That fox treed because the dogs were about to catch it.
If your hound runs a track for 1 hour or more, and has never tapped a tree once, you can be 90% sure he is running a deer or fox. The other 10% of the time this happens to you he may be running a coon, cat, or something else.
Greys usually run approx. 1/2 mile circle and like rabbit cover, Reds run 1/2 to 2 mile circles and like pasture fields & cleam woods.
Just my opinion, hope this helps!
This is the most accurate description on here ... both make for a good race ...
quote:Originally posted by Randy Tallon
Generally......a red will get up and go like a deer, only they might run a bigger circle. Greys sometimes run like a rabbit, sometimes run like a coon and your dog will tap or locate a tree a few times, before they take off and run like a red. A grey can sometimes make you think you're running a coon that might jump out.......all night. In our area the greys were all but run out by coyotes. That's the only thing a coyote is good for. I Agree with this one.__________________
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The Fox and the Hound is a 1967 novel written by American novelist Daniel P. Mannix and illustrated by John Schoenherr. It follows the lives of Tod, a red fox raised by a human for the first year of his life, and Copper, a half-bloodhound dog owned by a local hunter, referred to as the Master. After Tod causes the death of the man's favorite hound, man and dog relentlessly hunt the fox, against the dual backdrops of a changing human world and Tod's normal life in hunting for food, seeking a mate, and defending his territory. As preparation for writing the novel, Mannix studied foxes, both tame and wild, a wide variety of hunting techniques, and the ways hounds appear to track foxes, seeking to ensure his characters acted realistically.
The novel won the Dutton Animal Book Award in 1967, which resulted in its publication on September 11 that year by E. P. Dutton. It was a 1967 Reader's Digest Book Club selection and a winner of the Athenaeum Literary Award. It was well received by critics, who praised its detail and Mannix's writing style. Walt Disney Productions purchased the film rights for the novel when it won the Dutton award, though did not begin production on an adaptation until 1977. Heavily modified from the source material, Disney's The Fox and the Hound was released to theaters in July 1981 and became a financial success.
Copper, a bloodhound crossbred, was once the favorite among his Master's pack of hunting dogs in a rural country area. However, he now feels threatened by Chief, a younger, faster Black and Tan Coonhound. Copper hates Chief, who is taking Copper's place as pack leader. During a bear hunt, Chief protects the Master when the bear turns on him, while Copper is too afraid of the bear to confront him. The Master ignores Copper to heap praise on Chief and Copper's hatred and jealousy grow.
Tod is a red fox kit, raised as a pet by one of the human hunters who killed his mother and litter mates. Tod initially enjoys his life, but when he reaches sexual maturity he returns to the wild. During his first year, he begins establishing his territory, and learns evasion techniques from being hunted by local farm dogs. One day, he comes across the Master's house and discovers that his presence sends the chained pack of dogs into a frustrated frenzy. He begins to delight in taunting them, until one day when Chief breaks his chain and chases him. The Master sees the dog escape and follows with Copper. As Chief skillfully trails the fox, Tod flees along a railroad track while a train is approaching, waiting to jump to safety until the last minute. Chief is killed by the train.
With Chief buried and Master crying over a dead dog he trains Copper to ignore all foxes except for Tod. Over the span of the two animals' lives, man and dog hunt the fox, the Master using over a dozen hunting techniques in his quest for revenge. With each hunt, both dog and fox learn new tricks and methods to outsmart each other, Tod always escaping in the end. Tod mates with an older, experienced vixen who gives birth to a litter of kits. Before they are grown, the Master finds the den and gasses the kits to death. That winter, the Master sets out leg hold traps, which Tod carefully learns how to spring, but the vixen is caught and killed. In January, Tod takes a new mate, with whom he has another litter of kits. The Master uses a "still hunting" technique, in which he sits very quietly in the wood while playing a rabbit call to draw out the foxes. With this method, he kills the kits; then by using the sound of a wounded fox kit, he is also able to draw out and kill Tod's mate.
The Master spends most of his time drinking alcohol, and people begin trying to convince him to move into a nursing home, where no dogs are allowed. One summer, an outbreak of rabies spreads through the fox population. After one infected fox attacks a group of human children, the same people approach the Master and ask his help in killing the foxes. He uses traps and poison to try to kill as many foxes as possible; however, the poison also kills domestic animals. After a human child dies from eating it, the humans remove all of the poison, then the Master organizes a hunt in which large numbers of people line up and walk straight into the woods, flushing out foxes to be shot. The aging Tod escapes all three events, as well as an attempt at coursing him with greyhounds.
One morning, after Tod's escape from the greyhounds, the Master sends Copper on the hunt. After he picks up the fox's trail, Copper relentlessly pursues him throughout the day and into the next morning. Tod finally drops dead of exhaustion, and Copper collapses on top of him, close to death himself. The Master nurses Copper back to health, and both enjoy their new popularity, but after a few months the excitement over Copper's accomplishment dies down. The Master is left alone again, and returns to drinking. He is once again asked to consider living in a nursing home, and this time he agrees. Crying, he takes his shotgun from the wall, leads Copper outside, and pets him gently before ordering him to lie down. He covers the dog's eyes as Copper licks his hand trustingly.
Mannix felt it was nearly impossible for any writer to escape imparting some anthropomorphism in such a novel, as a human must guess at the way an animal's mind may work and what motivations it may have.[1][2] He felt animals think differently from humans, though are capable of reason on a "rudimentary level compared to a human."[1] In explaining his descriptions of hunting, he said it was hard to decide how a hound with non-human scenting ability interprets and responds to scents while tracking another animal.[1][2]
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