Bedini's competition.

[Meehow]

looks like someone else also has a patented pulse battery desulfator
business.

they have competetively priced chargers.

http://helios.pulsetech.net/cgi/hsrun.exe/apps/aplusweb/x1/StateId/QEGHmEXtXQEBrUe8ua8xv68H3r6EG-UdOW/HAHTpage/HS_home

[slepa...@aol.com]

Meehow,

 

Some of the battery stores are starting to use pulse chargers but Bedini claims that his Radiant charger technology breaks up the crystal sulfation better than ordinary pulse chargers.

 

Steve

[rolf watness]

How is your machine coming?

[Meehow]

hey Steve.

yeah, probably because Bedini uses high power capacitors where as
these other chargers don't.

On Jan 30, 6:31 pm, slepage...@aol.com wrote:
> Meehow,
>
> Some of the battery stores are starting to use pulse chargers but Bedini claims that his Radiant charger technology breaks up the crystal sulfation better than ordinary pulse chargers.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meehow <k7mic...@gmail.com>
> To: overunity <over...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:22 pm
> Subject: Bedini's competition.
>
> looks like someone else also has a patented pulse battery desulfator

> usiness.
> they have competetively priced chargers.http://helios.pulsetech.net/cgi/hsrun.exe/apps/aplusweb/x1/StateId/QE...

[slepa...@aol.com]

Rolf,

 

I went to Radio Shack and got a lot of parts and a punch in circuit board. They didn't have the right transistors and diodes so I just got something close and I'll see if it works. I can wire it several different ways. Also, I have been using alligator clips on my 9v batteries and I don't think they are making very good contact so I got some regular 9v battery plug in leads and I think that might help.

 

Steve

[Meehow]

Steve,

I'm sure you'll be able to get it going now that you have that bread
board, those things are a major help. do you know how to use them?
They are wired a specific way.

I usually get my MJE3055T's from Radio Shack. It's probably the only
good thing they carry, that and 3rd party non-radioshack branded cell
phones. everything else in there with their name on it is poo poo.

And in other news.

Turns out the official opinion on the bedini_monopole3 group is to use
flooded lead acid batteries for the "Official COP Testing". Well that
kind of sucks because I specifically drove 1 hour to the city to pick
up a set of Sealed Lead Acid Batteries which do eventually dry up.

Though, I haven't heard them complain about drill packs too much, but
even those I think are shuned upon.

Meehow.

On Jan 30, 10:40 pm, slepage...@aol.com wrote:
> Rolf,
>
> I went to Radio Shack and got a lot of parts and a punch in circuit board. They didn't have the right transistors and diodes so I just got something close and I'll see if it works. I can wire it several different ways. Also, I have been using alligator clips on my 9v batteries and I don't think they are making very good contact so I got some regular 9v battery plug in leads and I think that might help.
>
> Steve-----Original Message-----

> From: rolf watness <prodush...@gmail.com>

> To: over...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:42 pm
> Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
> How is your machine coming?
>

> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, <slepage...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Meehow,
>
> Some of the battery stores are starting to use pulse chargers but Bedini claims that his Radiant charger technology breaks up the crystal sulfation better than ordinary pulse chargers.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meehow <k7mic...@gmail.com>
> To: overunity <over...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:22 pm
> Subject: Bedini's competition.
>
> looks like someone else also has a patented pulse battery desulfator

[rolf watness]

I would demand batteries that can let me check the specific gravity of the cells.

[slepa...@aol.com]

Meehow,

 

I checked the continuity through the bread board and I think I got everything right. My coils have continuity and seem to generate a positive and negative voltage as they pass over the trigger coil. I'll offer you $100 upfront if you will make a circuit for me, test it, and send it to me. You don't even have to guarantee it. Just tell me where the 8 wires from the 3 coils go. I am not worried about the AC generator coil on top. If they work, I would prefer bigger transistors so I can use 12 volt batteries.

 

Yours,

Steve LePage

-----Original Message-----
From: Meehow <k7mi...@gmail.com>
To: overunity <over...@googlegroups.com>

[rolf watness]

A few tips.  Unroll the wires of the coils until you can see which is the inner and which is the outer wire.  The outers go to the positive buss.  On the bifilar coil notice that there are two thicknesses of wire.  The smaller is the trigger.  Both the bedini schematic and my picture is correct.  My only problem was that I got the trigger wires switched.  It took right off.  I and Meehow both use a 12V or so power pack like stereos or whatnot use.  Just check which is the positive with a multi meter.  It will say neg. if you got it wrong.  With mine the center is pos.  I still have lots of transistors here.

[slepa...@aol.com]

Rolf,

 

I tried that and I switched the trigger wires around, then I switched the coil leads around, and back. The coils are all wound the same direction. I can get a strong electromagnatism so the rotor is harder to start spinning when the 20v battery is hooked up. If Meehow doesn't want to make another circuit I'll offer you the same deal. The kit is so neat looking I just want to get it going so I can show people.

 

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: rolf watness <produ...@gmail.com>

[slepa...@aol.com]

Meehow,

 

HAAAA, and I'll throw in another hundred upfront if you throw in the time machine attachment.....

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: rolf watness <produ...@gmail.com>

[Rolf Watness]

We should dissect this problem and discover the variable. I have the mje3055. I have the 220 resistors. I have standard diodes going in the right direction. I was sure to not roast anything soldering. I changed the trigger wires and off it went merrily. The existing circuit is correct. All the wires are wound the same direction, yes, but I found I had to unwind them quite a ways to accurately see which one fed to the middle and which one came off the roll. I wound them back up and tagged the outer with a piece of tape. I checked the diodes by running juice on one side and a test light on the other. I'm out of the cosmic but can order in fairy dust if interested

slepa...@aol.com wrote:

>
>Meehow,
>
>HAAAA, and I'll throw in another hundred upfront if you throw in the time machine attachment.....
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rolf watness <produ...@gmail.com>
>To: over...@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:21 pm
>Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
>
>A few tips. Unroll the wires of the coils until you can see which is the inner and which is the outer wire. The outers go to the positive buss. On the bifilar coil notice that there are two thicknesses of wire. The smaller is the trigger. Both the bedini schematic and my picture is correct. My only problem was that I got the trigger wires switched. It took right off. I and Meehow both use a 12V or so power pack like stereos or whatnot use. Just check which is the positive with a multi meter. It will say neg. if you got it wrong. With mine the center is pos. I still have lots of transistors here.
>
>
>On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM, <slepa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Meehow,
>
>I checked the continuity through the bread board and I think I got everything right. My coils have continuity and seem to generate a positive and negative voltage as they pass over the trigger coil. I'll offer you $100 upfront if you will make a circuit for me, test it, and send it to me. You don't even have to guarantee it. Just tell me where the 8 wires from the 3 coils go. I am not worried about the AC generator coil on top. If they work, I would prefer bigger transistors so I can use 12 volt batteries.
>
>Yours,
>Steve LePage
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Meehow <k7mi...@gmail.com>
>To: overunity <over...@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 12:32 am
>Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
>
>Steve,
>I'm sure you'll be able to get it going now that you have that bread

>oard, those things are a major help. do you know how to use them?

>hey are wired a specific way.
>I usually get my MJE3055T's from Radio Shack. It's probably the only

>ood thing they carry, that and 3rd party non-radioshack branded cell

>hones. everything else in there with their name on it is poo poo.
>And in other news.
>Turns out the official opinion on the bedini_monopole3 group is to use

>looded lead acid batteries for the "Official COP Testing". Well that

>ind of sucks because I specifically drove 1 hour to the city to pick

>p a set of Sealed Lead Acid Batteries which do eventually dry up.
>Though, I haven't heard them complain about drill packs too much, but

>ven those I think are shuned upon.
>Meehow.
>On Jan 30, 10:40 pm, slepage...@aol.com wrote:
> Rolf,
>
> I went to Radio Shack and got a lot of parts and a punch in circuit board.

>hey didn't have the right transistors and diodes so I just got something close

>nd I'll see if it works. I can wire it several different ways. Also, I have

>een using alligator clips on my 9v batteries and I don't think they are making

>ery good contact so I got some regular 9v battery plug in leads and I think

>hat might help.
>
> Steve-----Original Message-----
> From: rolf watness <prodush...@gmail.com>
> To: over...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:42 pm
> Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
> How is your machine coming?
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, <slepage...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Meehow,
>
> Some of the battery stores are starting to use pulse chargers but Bedini

>laims that his Radiant charger technology breaks up the crystal sulfation

[Meehow]

Oh dear!!

Sounds like desperation.... Perseverance my friend, perseverance!!

I wouldn't mind making you a circuit, though, $100 is a little
outragouse. If anything I'd just ask for material+shipping+a little
labour which I don't think would add up to $100.

Rolf gave some good tips about the coil.... Just keep on trying... it
might be something else that's completely unsuspecting.. that's how
electronics is. I remember when I was in my teens I put together this
guitar amplifier from an electronics magazine... probably spent $100
on sourcing components and tools and had only the knowledge that I
learned from reading. no body taught me anything at that time. Man for
the life of me I couldn't get that thing to work.....

One thing I learned in college is just build your circuit step by step
and make sure each step is producing desired results. And it took me
till 3rd year electronics to learn that first you check your power
supply!!!! then you go from there.

So, be patient and go over your circuit again and again. you never
know what you might have overlooked.

you might wanna try taking one of those super bright LED's from the
kit, put it in series with a 1kohm (or similar) resistor and put it in
the path that you wanna test. mind you the LED will make the current
flow in only one direction.

here's a little schematic of a test you could do.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B-lGySpHUMdENTFjOWYzYTQtZjUzMi00MGRlLWI0ODctYmE3NGJjYzBhODdi&authkey=CNDF8PED&hl=en

hope that helps.

On Feb 1, 8:46 pm, slepage...@aol.com wrote:
> Meehow,
>
> HAAAA, and I'll throw in another hundred upfront if you throw in the time machine attachment.....
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rolf watness <prodush...@gmail.com>
> To: over...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:21 pm
> Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
> A few tips.  Unroll the wires of the coils until you can see which is the inner and which is the outer wire.  The outers go to the positive buss.  On the bifilar coil notice that there are two thicknesses of wire.  The smaller is the trigger.  Both the bedini schematic and my picture is correct.  My only problem was that I got the trigger wires switched.  It took right off.  I and Meehow both use a 12V or so power pack like stereos or whatnot use.  Just check which is the positive with a multi meter.  It will say neg. if you got it wrong.  With mine the center is pos.  I still have lots of transistors here.
>

> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM, <slepage...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Meehow,
>
> I checked the continuity through the bread board and I think I got everything right. My coils have continuity and seem to generate a positive and negative voltage as they pass over the trigger coil. I'll offer you $100 upfront if you will make a circuit for me, test it, and send it to me. You don't even have to guarantee it. Just tell me where the 8 wires from the 3 coils go. I am not worried about the AC generator coil on top. If they work, I would prefer bigger transistors so I can use 12 volt batteries.
>
> Yours,
> Steve LePage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meehow <k7mic...@gmail.com>
> To: overunity <over...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 12:32 am
> Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
> Steve,
> I'm sure you'll be able to get it going now that you have that bread

> oard, those things are a major help. do you know how to use them?

> hey are wired a specific way.
> I usually get my MJE3055T's from Radio Shack. It's probably the only

> ood thing they carry, that and 3rd party non-radioshack branded cell

> hones. everything else in there with their name on it is poo poo.
> And in other news.
> Turns out the official opinion on the bedini_monopole3 group is to use

> looded lead acid batteries for the "Official COP Testing". Well that

> ind of sucks because I specifically drove 1 hour to the city to pick

> p a set of Sealed Lead Acid Batteries which do eventually dry up.
> Though, I haven't heard them complain about drill packs too much, but

> ven those I think are shuned upon.
> Meehow.
> On Jan 30, 10:40 pm, slepage...@aol.com wrote:
>  Rolf,
>
>  I went to Radio Shack and got a lot of parts and a punch in circuit board.

> hey didn't have the right transistors and diodes so I just got something close

> nd I'll see if it works. I can wire it several different ways. Also, I have

> een using alligator clips on my 9v batteries and I don't think they are making

> ery good contact so I got some regular 9v battery plug in leads and I think

> hat might help.
>
>  Steve-----Original Message-----
>  From: rolf watness <prodush...@gmail.com>
>  To: over...@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:42 pm
>  Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
>  How is your machine coming?
>
>  On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, <slepage...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Meehow,
>
>  Some of the battery stores are starting to use pulse chargers but Bedini

> laims that his Radiant charger technology breaks up the crystal sulfation

[rolf watness]

Another thing I was very sure to clean the ends of the wires.  I would burn it with a lighter and then scrape it with a razor knife.

Also notice that Friedrich put out a notice to trim the ends of the rotor plastic because of bind.  (or stick something in the top to spread the frame.)

Approach it scientifically step by step and remove variables.
Even with a made to order circuit board the coil wires would have to be chosen right.  I say send it all to Meehow UPS and geterdone.  ;)

[Meehow]

I just found this instruction on how to assemble the kit:

http://www.eagle-research.com/consultation/BediniNotesGW.pdf

I didn't read through it but the schematic looks good.

hope that helps.

Meehow

On Feb 1, 8:46 pm, slepage...@aol.com wrote:

> Meehow,
>
> HAAAA, and I'll throw in another hundred upfront if you throw in the time machine attachment.....
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rolf watness <prodush...@gmail.com>
> To: over...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:21 pm
> Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
> A few tips.  Unroll the wires of the coils until you can see which is the inner and which is the outer wire.  The outers go to the positive buss.  On the bifilar coil notice that there are two thicknesses of wire.  The smaller is the trigger.  Both the bedini schematic and my picture is correct.  My only problem was that I got the trigger wires switched.  It took right off.  I and Meehow both use a 12V or so power pack like stereos or whatnot use.  Just check which is the positive with a multi meter.  It will say neg. if you got it wrong.  With mine the center is pos.  I still have lots of transistors here.
>

> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM, <slepage...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Meehow,
>
> I checked the continuity through the bread board and I think I got everything right. My coils have continuity and seem to generate a positive and negative voltage as they pass over the trigger coil. I'll offer you $100 upfront if you will make a circuit for me, test it, and send it to me. You don't even have to guarantee it. Just tell me where the 8 wires from the 3 coils go. I am not worried about the AC generator coil on top. If they work, I would prefer bigger transistors so I can use 12 volt batteries.
>
> Yours,
> Steve LePage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meehow <k7mic...@gmail.com>
> To: overunity <over...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 12:32 am
> Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
> Steve,
> I'm sure you'll be able to get it going now that you have that bread

> oard, those things are a major help. do you know how to use them?

> hey are wired a specific way.
> I usually get my MJE3055T's from Radio Shack. It's probably the only

> ood thing they carry, that and 3rd party non-radioshack branded cell

> hones. everything else in there with their name on it is poo poo.
> And in other news.
> Turns out the official opinion on the bedini_monopole3 group is to use

> looded lead acid batteries for the "Official COP Testing". Well that

> ind of sucks because I specifically drove 1 hour to the city to pick

> p a set of Sealed Lead Acid Batteries which do eventually dry up.
> Though, I haven't heard them complain about drill packs too much, but

> ven those I think are shuned upon.
> Meehow.
> On Jan 30, 10:40 pm, slepage...@aol.com wrote:
>  Rolf,
>
>  I went to Radio Shack and got a lot of parts and a punch in circuit board.

> hey didn't have the right transistors and diodes so I just got something close

> nd I'll see if it works. I can wire it several different ways. Also, I have

> een using alligator clips on my 9v batteries and I don't think they are making

> ery good contact so I got some regular 9v battery plug in leads and I think

> hat might help.
>
>  Steve-----Original Message-----
>  From: rolf watness <prodush...@gmail.com>
>  To: over...@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:42 pm
>  Subject: Re: Bedini's competition.
>
>  How is your machine coming?
>
>  On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM, <slepage...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Meehow,
>
>  Some of the battery stores are starting to use pulse chargers but Bedini

> laims that his Radiant charger technology breaks up the crystal sulfation

[slepa...@aol.com]

Meehow,

 

That has a lot of good information. If his explanation of the electromagnetic coils is correct then there isn't much mechanical leverage to turn the rotor from the "trigger switched on" North Pole coils. It is like a car engine piston at top dead center when the spark plug fires, the piston and connecting rod are pushing straight down on the crankshaft, not turning it with maximum torque out at the maximum leverage spot of 90 degrees after TDC.. Maybe angling the coils would help give the rotor a little more push in the rotation direction.

 

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Meehow <k7mi...@gmail.com>
To: overunity <over...@googlegroups.com>

[rolf watness]

I started mine at top dead center and have read that 10 degrees BTDC was good.

[Meehow]

if you're talking about what I think your talking about then you can
adjust the fireing angle so to speak but pulling the drive/trigger
coil out. it was designed to move for better tunning.

I find that I can get the kit spinning super fast if I start the
rotation down towards the coil pully thingy, and just pull it out all
the way. Also, I turn my pot to 0 ohms, or untill the bulb is the
brightest. That way you will charge your batteries the fastest.....
but you will also discharge your primary battery the fastest and will
definitely NOT be operating in tuned mode.

Tuned mode is when the machine is most efficient and when you do the
Back Popper set up properly, will be in self-runner mode.

by the way. I just ordered the two other genny coils from r-charge.

once I'm done with my solid state charger I'm gonna get back to making
this machine self-runner style.

Once I succeed you guys will be among the first to know..... I
probably won't even bother telling anyone on the bedini_monopole3
group cuz they are all bent up about doing those 20 charge discharge
cycles.

I'm like "how do you make it into self-runner?"
them: "something to do with capacitors, but don't worry about it, just
do your 20 cycles"
sheesh!!!

over and out.

On Feb 2, 9:49 pm, rolf watness <prodush...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I started mine at top dead center and have read that 10 degrees BTDC was