What snakes are these?

[Anita de Beer]

We are on our game farm in Alldays this weekend and saw 2 different snakes on different locations.

 

Snake 1: is about 2,5 m long and about as thick as 500 ml Energade bottle, and moved fast. Managed to get some pictures, but bit blurry as he was moving fast.

 

Snake 2: is baby of about 18 cm and about 5 mm thick, grey with black head.

 

Can anybody identify any of these 2 snakes?

 

Thank you.

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[Marius Liebenberg]

The small snake is a "Cape Centipede Eater". The big snake I cannot make out the markings and head properly to venture a guess.

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[Attie Cilliers]

I'm no expert, but I thought the other snake looked very much like the
one I saw in the Bontebok NP (in a tree). Believed it to be a
Boomslang. Apparently they do come in this colour variation.

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Attie
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[JACQUES TALJAARD]

Good day, the snake in question is almost certainly a Cape Cobra as they come in a huge variety of colours from juvenile to adult phase, this is also dependent on region found and some snakes differ between male/female.( this sometimes make ID very difficult)

 I'm just awaiting final confirmation from a snake expert, so will have a definitive ID soon and report back.

The Cape Cobra is an extremely fast striker  with a potent neurotoxic venom so its better to keep decent distance.

included is a list that should be helpful to each and every person on the Overland list, regards Jacques.

SAIRCA REPTILE RESCUE

 

GAUTENG

NAME - AREA COVERING - CONTACT DETAILS

 

Officer on Duty - Gauteng Nature Conservation - 082 759-0078

Professor Graham Alexander - Herpetologist Wits University - NO CATCHING ONLY INFORMATION - 083 393-8809 - 011 717-6438

Wulf Haacke - Herpetologist - NO CATCHING ONLY INFORMATION - 083 619-0866 - 012 460-6588

Gary Nagel - Benoni – East Rand - 082 786-7453

Warren Schmidt - NO CATCHING ONLY INFORMATION - 082 549-7630

Paul Pypers - East Rand surrounding - 082 294-0554

John Hugo - Alberton surrounding - 082 966-1046

Mike Perry - Midrand surrounding - 083 448-8854

Beverley Nowikow - NO CATCHING ONLY INFORMATION - 083 478-0758

Douglas Sinclair - Southern Suburbs - 082 490-9421

Gary Strydom - Haartebeesport and Brits surrounding - 082 469-2979

Trevor Ackerman - All areas - 082 791-0119

Rulof, Grant, Philamon - All areas - AACL - 011 435-0672/3/4 ext 3

Gary Bennett’s - Fourways & Jhb international - 084 444-4419

Gavin Wilson - All areas - 083 302-5054

Peter Lloyd - Midrand - 082 958-8639

Mike Pitts - Four ways, and north of 4 ways - 083 461-2725

Greg Jarvis - Sandton surrounding - 082 926-5684

Vaughn Veale - Veerenging surrounding - 082 458-6431

Clinton Braun - Krugersdorp /Roodepoort - 083 556-1664

Mike Alan - Akenhoff Southgate surrounding - 072 847-1865

Rex Strydom - Haartebeesport and Britz surrounding - 082 469-2979

Gerhard Vermaak - Randburg surrounding - 084 555-0526

Johnny Minnaar - Midrand - 082 550-1712

Shayne Nowikow - Pretoria,  JHB north and Midrand - 076-567-0722

Mike Fullard - Fourways - 083 878-2800

Lee Jovanovic - Hartbeespoortdam surrounding - 072 638-9250

Morah-Lee Cooper - Pretoria - 082 959-9420

Deborah Pearman - Northriding - 083 627-7388

Kirsten Suckau - Pretoria East, Bronkhorstspruit, Delmas, Benoni, Bapsfontein - 082 412-9425

Wicukus Smit - Pretoria North - 072 476-7554

Carl Lotter - Centurion and surrounding areas - 082 301-0507

Jacobus Scholtz - Centurion, Waterkloof, Lyttleton, Wierda Park - 072 683-5649

Stacy van Niekerk - 4 ways - 076 147-4834

Annaliea Sella - Sandton, Edenvale, Bedfordview, Midrand - 082 666-8310

Theo de Wet - Roodepoort surrounding - Northern suburbs - day - 082 417-1499

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Gerald - Boksburg - 083 655-6474 - 011 918-5613

Johan Classens - 4 Ways, Bryanston surrounding - 073 474-6874

Leon - Roodepoort SPCA - 011 672-0448 - Louis Trichard, Britz surrounding, Mooi Nooi and Hartebeespoort - 076 588-1082

Desmond Gird - Vereeniging, Van Der Bijl Park, and Krugersdorp - 076 157-6035

Darren – Tribal Pets - Weltevreden surrounding - 083 389-0020

Carol Smith - Windsor surrounding - 083 374-6116

 

RUSTENBURG

 

NAME - AREA COVERING - CONTACT DETAILS

Paul Games - Chairman of Herp Club - 083 274-4960

Gerhard -  014 536-3150

Eddy Owen -  082 928-9595

 

POTCHEFSTROOM

 

Gustav Engelbrecht - Nature Conservation Law enforcement officer - 082 813-6954 - 018 294-5565

Richard Newbery - Nature Conservation Officer - e-mail: new...@xsinet.co.za - NO CATCHING ONLY INFORMATION - 082 373-0432 - 018 297-3801

Dr Roger Blaylock - Also a doctor on call for snakebite - As well as a catcher - 083 652-0105

 

LICHTENBURG – NW PROVINCE

 

Chris van der Westhuizen - Conservationist - e-mail: x_trem...@yahoo.com - 082 448-4852

 

PORT ELIZABETH 

 

Kerrow Miller - Port Elizabeth - 084 662-0112

 

WELKOM

 

Pieter Koekemoer -  083 262-0525

 

KIMBERLEY

 

Mario -  083 361-1280

 

NORTHERN CAPE

 

Rene Voster - Britstown - 082 742-8684

 

CAPE TOWN 

 

Piere Joubert - All areas - 021 713-2629

Anton - All areas - 072 133-7454

Luke Cornell - Houtbay area surrounding - 082 881-3870

Grant Spooner - Houtbay - SAPS - 021 790-2336 - 083 590-0808

Dr G. Muller/Dr Bev Hofmeyer - Tygerberg Hospital Emergency - 021 931-6129 – 24 hrs

Shaun McLeod - All areas - 082 532-5033

Etienne Oosthuizen - Tableview surrounding - 072 100-7814

Tony Falps - Oudtshoorn - 076 378-0132

Cape Nature - Western Cape - 021 659-3400

Karen - Paramedic Tygerburg Hospital - 021 938-4911

Die Vonds Snake park - Paarl and Wellington - 021 869-8309

 

NATAL

CROW - Wildlife Center - 031 462-1127

Kwa Zulu Natal - Emergency Center - Marine Antipoaching Unit - 083 380-6298

Dr Mark Penning - Snakebite and treatment - 083 507-7887Tyrone Ping - La Luica/Umhlanga/Durban North/Glen Hills/ Westville -  084 492 2542

Jason Arnold - Durban North - e-mail: universa...@gmail.com - 082 745-6375

Pat Mc Krill - Westville - 083 303-6958 - 031 529-6493

Neville Wolmarans - North Coast - 082 742-7780 - 032 525-5374

Dr Adrian Armstrong - aarms...@kznwildlife.com - Parks board - Fax 033 845-1498 

Richard Boynton - Natal - 031 777-1824

Clyde Farr - North Beach - 083 794-1794

Byron - Central - 082 894-6783

 

 

LIMPOPO PROVINCE

 

Johan Smit - Palaborwa - 015 781-6828 - 083 635-1812

Vincent Egan - Herpetologist - e-mail: ega...@ledet.gov.za - 082 412-7247

Ainsley Hay - Gravelotte, Tzaneen, Duiwelskloof, Letsitele - 082 841-1970

Matthew Harding - Kruger National Park - 013 735-5500

 

MPUMALANGA PROVINCE

 

Dr J Dirks - Snakebite Treatment Dr on call - 013 712-2498 - 013 712-3173

Piet De Jager - Komatiepoort, Malelane - 082-442-4791

Chris Cooke - Hoedspruit Surrounding - 072 866-9108

Neels Bothma - Lydenburg surrounding - 082 730-3047

Rick Bodai - Hazyview surrounding - 084 731-1563 - 013 737-7680

Donald Strydom - Hoedspruit surrounding - 015 795-5203

 

ANTIVENOM UNIT – NATIONAL HEALTH LABORATORY SERVICES

 

Megan Saffer - Office Hours - 011 386-6044

Pricilla Fleischer - Office Hours - 011 386-6052

NHLS SWITCHBOARD - 24 hours - (011) 386-6000

Dr Mark Blaylock - Emergency number for venom - 083 463-3011

Dr Roger Blaylock - Emergency number for venom - 083 652-0105

Cost of Antivenom:

Office Hours:       Polyvalent R540.00 per 10ml       Monovalent  R894.00 per 10ml

After Hours:        Polyvalent  R702.00 per 10ml      Monovalent   R1 162.00 per 10ml

This includes VAT.    Courier will be charged for separately.

 

DOCTORS – ABLE TO ASSIST WITH SNAKEBITE PATIENTS

 

These doctors are able to assist when there is an emergency to hospital, Medical officers etc. They will talk the doctors through the treatment and help assist with treatment.

 

Dr Mark Botha - Emergency – humans - Gauteng - 083 284-4415 - 011 475-9125

Mike Perry - Emergency – Assist with bites - 083 448-8854

Dr Colin Tilbury - Emergency - 083 408-4390

Dr Mark Blaylock - Emergency – humans and animals - 083 463-3011

Dr Roger Blaylock - Emergency – humans and animals - 083 652-0105

Dr Hagis Black - Eastern Cape Area - 082 571-3813

Dr Paul Rollinson - KZN - 083 623-7049

Dr Derryn Petty - Gauteng – Vet for animals bitten and injured reptiles – STATE VET - 083 391-0686

Dr Mark Vessaput - Gauteng – Vet for animals bitten and injured reptiles - 011 880-3342 - 011 880-3336

Dr Louise Gordon Johannesburg Zoo - VET for injured wild animals - 011 646-2000 - 082 335-1177

 

SPIDER AND SCORPION BITES

 

Jonathan Leeming - Assistance with ID and bites - 082 338-4381

Dr Ansie Dippenaar-Schoeman - ID and Bite Treatment - 012 329-3269

 

POISON INFORMATION CENTRES AND HOSPITALS

 

NETCARE 911 - 24-hour toll-free poison information hotline countrywide - 0800 333 444

PRETORIA - Unitas Hospital - Tel: 0800 333 444 - 24 hours

Red Cross Children’s Hospital - Tel: 021 689-5227 - 24 hours

Tygerberg Hospital - Tel: 021 931-6129 24 hours - 021 938-6084 office hours

St Augustine’s Poison Trauma Unit - Tel: 0800 333 444 - 24 hours

Bloemfontein - Universitas Hospital - Tel: 082 410-0160 - 24 hours

Port Elizabeth - Livingston Hospital Paediatric Department - Tel: 041 405-2141 - 24 hours - 041 405-9111   24 hours

East London - Frere Hospital Paediatric Departmen - Tel: 043 709-1111   24 hours

Kimberley Hospital Pharmacy Department - Tel: 053 802-2336 - Tel: 053 802-2355

Office hours only

 

WILD ANIMAL RESCUE AND REHABILITATION CENTERS

 

ANIMAL RIGHTS AFRICA - Michael Pickover - 082 253-2124

ANIMALS IN DISTRESS -  Lyn Wells - 011 466-0261 - 083 640-882 - 083 640-8830

C.A.R.E. – CENTER ANIMAL REHAB CENTER - Irene Mckenzie Fraser - 083 659-3727 - dogzg...@absamail.co.za

ANIMAL ANTI CRUELTY LEAGUE - Ruloff - 011 435-0672/3/4 - 082 892-2776

JONATHAN HALL - OWLS and RAPTORS - 072 365-9777

REPTILE PARK - MAGALISBERG - 076 329-8692

PEOPLE FOR WILDLIFE - Kim Bartman - 083 376-1201

GREEN SCORPION - Stoney Steenkamp - 083 599-5424

SANCOB – Sea Birds - Vanessa – Cape Town - 021 557-6155

Eagle encounters - Paarl - rehab - 021 858-1826

Bird Sanctuary - Paarl - 021 868-2047

Baboons - Leigh Sax - 021 797-2751

C.A.R.E. - Palaborwa - Rita - 015 769-621

C.A.R.E. - Palaborwa - Steven - 072 546-1308

Maholoholo - Wild life rehab - 015 795-5236

 

BEE REMOVALS

 

JOSE  MENDES - All areas - 011 967-1178 - 074 338-3174

ANTHONY  (ANT) - All areas - 072 765-2603

BRYAN  CRAMPTON - All areas - 083 701-2978

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Jacques Taljaard

[JACQUES TALJAARD]

Good morning, just got confirmation that it is a Snouted Cobra, regards Jacques.

[Attie Cilliers]

Thanks - We all learn - My daughter, who spotted and took the actual
photograph I posted earlier, would be delighted! She's a fanatic
birder, but obviously no snake boffin ;-)

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[JACQUES TALJAARD]

Morning Attie, the snake in the picture you have is a Boomslang, male to be exact and the females tend to be more dull/brown, they have a highly concentrated heamotoxic venom, regards.

[Anita de Beer]

Thanx to everybody's response.

The snake was indeed identified as snouted cobra. And a big one.

There's also 2 guys interested in coming to remove the snake.

Once we have better and close up pics I will post it.

Regards.

Anita de Beer
082 876 9414

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From: Anita de Beer <anita....@gmail.com>

Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:21:41 +0200

To: <overlan...@googlegroups.com>; <tracks...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: What snakes are these?

[Attie Cilliers]

Jacques,

This identification thing is obviously not my strong point. After your
response to Anita, I went on the web and looked at as many pics I
could find and I must say that I was not so sure after I made the
comparison again. The bands and spots and specific head shape had me
totally confused. Thanks for clearing up ;-)

[Anita de Beer]

Hi Sarien,

 

I totally agree with you: it is best to leave them the way they are / where they are.  And we will always attempt to do just that. But unfortunately in this case the snakes poses a danger to the farm workers and guests, as it has taken up home at one of the watering holes.  And as you know these water holes must be visited daily to ensure all still OK and to check on game movement and activity. Guest also love visiting waterholes to check for game.

 

We have now sighted this snake on 3 consecutive days (within 20 meters of the water), and one of these days the snake was less than 2 meters away from a farm worker who went to check the water level in the tank. Was he not vigilant, and already knew about the snake there, it could easily have turned out bad.

The farm workers also use quad bikes, which offer almost no protection.

 

Also this is a new watering hole that we have build in the last 2 months. So the snake must have found the new water, and decided that is a good place to stay as it offers daily supply of birds, frogs and other small animals that come to drink water.

We also suspect his hole is right next to the access road towards the water hole, which makes it more dangerous.  And the water tank is also thus between the water hole and the snake's hole. Not good. Much like coming between a hippo and the water! We had the unfortunate experience on Saturday, when we first saw it, that it actually came straight at us, enroute from the water hole, past the water tank where we were standing, to get to it's hole. Believe me, when a snake that size comes straight at you, a lot of things goes through your mind in a very short space of time!! And everything that used to be strong and fit becomes weak and jelly and disfunctional, as you realise the speed at which it travels (straigh at you!), far outweighs any speed that your useless legs is able to give you!! And I think that's about the time that your whole life starts flashing before your eyes!

 

Furthermore, medical help is far away (at least 30 minutes to basic help and 1h30 to hospital), so should something happen, it would most likely not have favourable outcome.

 

That is why we have opted for finding someone who will come and relocate the snake, in stead of kliing it. I am sure that the snake lovers who have offered to relocate the snake, will make sure it finds a good home.

 

Regards,
Anita

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sarien Lategan <sar...@geostratics.co.za> wrote:

Anita, just curios why you would like to remove the snakes? Do they pose a danger to people on the farm – if not I would suggest that you leave them in their current habitat – that Cobra has grown that big without putting anybody in danger …..?  We have a small fynbos (mountain) farm in the Overberg area and at one stage the snakes “overwinter” in our mountain hut (not as big as your cobra though!) – I had to keep the cats away from them, but it is actually fantastic that one can live in harmony with these creatures. Let someone perhaps advise you on their habits so that you know how to live with them.

Sarien

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