VW Beetle Overland

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Brendon Muller

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Jun 4, 2013, 1:51:07 AM6/4/13
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I got a nice project car in the scrap yesterday, it is a standard 72 VW Beetle.
 
My Idea is to convert this into a little toy off-roader :-)
 
The first thing I want to do is fit rims and tyres, is there anybody on the forum that has experience with Beetles
what would the be the highest tire I could put on to a beetle, the fenders will need replacing so I don't mind going
for modified fenders ?
 
I know google is my friend but She is confusing me ! 

Hennie Rautenbach

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Here is a example I spotted locally... But sounds like you want a Baja Bug ? (google)

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Wouter de Vos

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This look like serious Bull Run material….

 

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Here is a example I spotted locally... But sounds like you want a Baja Bug ? (google)

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Paul Venter

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Jun 4, 2013, 2:28:13 AM6/4/13
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Wow - that's one pretty beetle (pic in Hennie's mail). I like!




Brendon Muller

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Jun 4, 2013, 2:26:32 AM6/4/13
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Price wise, definitely, picked it up for 3K :-)
 
motor runs perfectly, -1 this morning, started first time. Interior needs some work but first want some wheels :-)
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Brendon Muller

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Jun 4, 2013, 2:27:45 AM6/4/13
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It seems that way that if I want to put bigger tyres on I must go for Baja fenders, or cut a way existing ones.
 
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Vlok, J. (James)

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I know someone who put a beetle body onto a VW Syncro chassis – was awesome.

 

 

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Brendon Muller

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Jun 4, 2013, 2:42:54 AM6/4/13
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Also a nice specimen

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> Wow - that's one pretty beetle (pic in Hennie's mail). I like!
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Johan Havenga

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Jun 4, 2013, 2:49:18 AM6/4/13
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Hi Brendon.

My first port of call would be your local expert! ( Bloem if I am not mistaken!)

Volksieshop: 051 448 3033

Another option is to speak to Sarel @ Volkspares Jetpark: 011 397 4760

Or you can contact my "Beetlewisperer", Dirk on 012 321 4565 or 082 964 1662.

Also browse the "Aircooled" Forum!

Enjoy!

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Anton Heiberg

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Wow that one looks mean....



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Also a nice specimen

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Paul Damhuis

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Jun 4, 2013, 2:58:31 AM6/4/13
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Derek van den Brink of van den Brink motors here in strydom park is also a good option. He is theVW expert

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Brendon Muller

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Jun 4, 2013, 3:07:01 AM6/4/13
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Thanks Johan, you are spot on,
 
Have the first two on my list already will add the whisper :-)

Nico Roets

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Brendon - why not consider to rather restore it to showroom condition? I think that will be much more satisfying to drive and own than to bugger up a very nice car into some bug.


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Johan Havenga

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The route I'm also taking!
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Anton Heiberg

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I have the same sentiments about a lot of things like antique furniture but its always a bit ironic..
 
When we buy new cars the first thing we do is to change or add things to make it more appealing or sort some sort of know problem out (bull bars, upgraded suspensions, larger intercoolers, non standard rims and tyres etc to name just a few)
Then a few years down the line some poor sod buys the thing and want to restore it to showroom condition reversing all the "cool" and some not so cool but cost effective mods .
 
 
Life goes on in circles  :-)
 
 
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Brendon - why not consider to rather restore it to showroom condition? I think that will be much more satisfying to drive and own than to bugger up a very nice car into some bug.


 
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Brendon Muller

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This is not really a restoration piece, even date wise, if it was pre 69 then yes it would be waste hacking it up.
 
As mentioned previously this is vehicle I picked up for 3K and would cost to much to get to original showroom condition, it would be more feasible buying a better Bug from the beginning
and then restoring, this one is much more suited to being modified into a "Fun Bug"
 
 
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Hennie Rautenbach

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How about a piccie or two ?

Brendon Muller

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The before pics !
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Mike #1

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Nice workshop (Background)

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The before pics !

 

Hennie Rautenbach

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Looks better than I expected...

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The before pics !

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Brendon Muller

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not bad for the price :-)
 
Have just sent them to fit 2 tyres, have gone for 215/80 15 Dunlops Track Grip, seem to be the cheapest, now to see how they fit. 
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MB

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Looks like a poser (sorry). It can't be the real thing if there's barely
2cm clearance for the front wheels!
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Brendon Muller

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maybe he has hydraulic suspension !

Bruce Turner

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Jun 4, 2013, 10:23:20 AM6/4/13
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here is another different one for you:

Rgds
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maybe he has hydraulic suspension !


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Looks like a poser (sorry).  It can't be the real thing if there's barely 2cm clearance for the front wheels!
:-)

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Also  a nice specimen

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Wow - that's one pretty beetle (pic in Hennie's mail). I like!




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Neat!!!

 

 

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here is another different one for you:

 

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maybe he has hydraulic suspension !


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Looks like a poser (sorry).  It can't be the real thing if there's barely 2cm clearance for the front wheels!
:-)

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Also  a nice specimen

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Wow - that's one pretty beetle (pic in Hennie's mail). I like!




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Brendon Muller

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sies :-)
 
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Lol.I know right. Can't remember where I got the pic but was impressed by how much work must have gone into it.

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Brendon Muller

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very nice, I will also have to pull off the fenders and go for the Baja fenders, the 215 70 16 tyres a bit BIG but look good :-)

Peter Levey

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Oh the pic you - that you .......... nicked/borrowed/misappropriated/took/swiped/plagiarised (fill in the appropriate word) from my shots of Cars in the Park :-)


Heh heh

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Hehehe yes Peter. I hope I asked you permission at the time. :)

Eish busted! :)

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Brendon Muller

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Got my wheels back yesterday, been powder coated and new tyres Dunlop Trakgrip 215/80/15 :-) nice and BIG
 
now I got wheels but no car :-( still at the mechanic lifting suspension, sorting brakes, shocks and wheel bearings.
 
 
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Johan Havenga

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With those tyres you gain about 40mm clearance but restrict yourself to 3rd gear as the vehicle wouldn't have any power in 4th!

Johan

Brendon Muller

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will have to make a plan with that !!!
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With those tyres you gain about 40mm clearance but restrict yourself to 3rd gear as the vehicle wouldn't have any power in 4th!

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T5 <grin>

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Fit a small Porche engine...


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will have to make a plan with that !!!
 
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<grin> the guy that is working on my Beetle is busy with his Puma Project, He has bored his 1600 motor out to a 2800 (I think he said) with dual webber carbs and all the chrome bits and pieces. Maybe I need to do something like that.
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T5 <grin>


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will have to make a plan with that !!!

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Johan Havenga

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It is not a power issue but rather a torque issue!

You get the kits from Volkspares to increase the cc to 2300cc! Roller bearings and all the other bits and bobs to convert the little flat 4 into a racing engine will set you back about R20k!

Done the excercise! Maybe worth on a brand new sub assembly if you can get your hands on one!

Also remember to convert the generator to an altenator! Will set you back about R3k!

Last bit of advice for today! Check out the wear on the rear hub assembly! If it is warn to much the back brakes expand to far and this will affect your brakes overall! Volkspares "import" these and it is about R3k a set! When it arrived, it was in a local manufacturer's (Springs) packaging!

Brendon Muller

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Thanks Johan, Back looks good, have replaced the front hubs.
 
How about changing the diff or gear ratios to that of a Thing or Baja ?
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That is the route I would go!

Drive it first before you spent extra money!

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Brendon Muller

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can't wait to but it doesn't want to come back :-)

Henk Coetzee

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Jun 7, 2013, 11:34:12 AM6/7/13
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This thread got me thinking about Mazda 13B powered beetles.


Brendon Muller

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Thanks Henk, I will consider that :-)

Johann Hugo

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A 1953 Beetle, the first two-wheel drive car to conquer Sani Pass.

 

On Tuesday 04 June 2013 07:51:07 Brendon Muller wrote:

> I got a nice project car in the scrap yesterday, it is a standard 72 VW Beetle.

>

> My Idea is to convert this into a little toy off-roader

>

> The first thing I want to do is fit rims and tyres, is there anybody on the forum that has experience with Beetles

> what would the be the highest tire I could put on to a beetle, the fenders will need replacing so I don't mind going

> for modified fenders ?

 

 

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Brendon Muller

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That's my idea but my wheels are even bigger, got it back yesterday and looks awesome but sent back to lift a bit more at the back.
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That does not count.. it was Herbie:-)


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Two wheel drive? Looks more like a Three Person Push!!!
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Hennie Rautenbach

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Yes. I think there is more manpower activ then horsepower.

 

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Jun 14, 2013, 1:22:24 AM6/14/13
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Another sample

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Brendon Muller

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Jun 14, 2013, 1:35:14 AM6/14/13
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Nice Anton, that is more or less my idea and the colour I will be going
 
here are 2 more samples, hopefully I will get it back today so that I can start with a few things. The Suspension is done and lifted, I had replaced hubs but they needed some extra work some bushes were fubar, also replaced front shocks while it was all open. Got hold of a nice second-hand roof lining but they accidentally broke the windscreen while removing :-(
 
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Anton Heiberg

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Aug 6, 2013, 1:30:41 AM8/6/13
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Another fine example of a beetle seen at the past weekends "Cars in the Park" at Zwartkops in Pta
 
Not sure if you could overland in it but it sure does seem to have ample ground clearance.
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A.H. (Eric) Sommer

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Aug 6, 2013, 1:37:55 AM8/6/13
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Neat.

 

Used to see a lot of those back in Canada many years ago.

IIRC, they used mini truck chassis and drive trains, engine in front (not back)

 

Did you get a good look at the chassis? Any idea what it was built on?

 

 

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Vlok, J. (James)

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Aug 6, 2013, 1:43:10 AM8/6/13
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If I remember correctly the T3 Syncro had the same wheel base as a Beetle and has been used by a guy in Pretoria and the Cape to make a 4x4 Beetle

 

 


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Anton Heiberg

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Neat.

 

Used to see a lot of those back in Canada many years ago.

IIRC, they used mini truck chassis and drive trains, engine in front (not back)

 

Did you get a good look at the chassis? Any idea what it was built on?  Unfortunately not. It was fairly crowded in both cars and people so too little time to really get to investigate cars. I just took a couple of pictures as I knew there was some interest on the forum. To take those nearly took me 5 minutes :-( 

 

 

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Clem Daniel

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Aug 6, 2013, 1:53:29 AM8/6/13
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The image posted by Anton looks like a Type 87, which is a 4WD drive made from 1942 onwards for the German Army.

A.H. (Eric) Sommer

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>> To take those nearly took me 5 minutes 

 

I hear you.

 

But, there is a way to get a clear shot of something with photoshop.

Basically, you take a series of photos from one spot until you figure that every part of the scene has been exposed without people in it.

Then it gets processed and all the people get removed!

 

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Anton Heiberg

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I know the PS tricks but I'm not into car photography :-)
 
All these are just record shots of the family outing
 
 

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Christo Pietersen

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Aug 6, 2013, 2:28:11 AM8/6/13
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There is a similar one, only red, that was built on a Pajero Gen2 chassis with a Pajero 3.0l Petrol engine, by the guys that sell second hand Pajero Spares, I think.

 

Here is a link I could find on it.

http://www.wegry.co.za/forum/threads/2939-Die-mos-n-Beetle

 

Probably more fun orientated than overlanding, but still a unique piece of equipment.

 

 

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If I remember correctly the T3 Syncro had the same wheel base as a Beetle and has been used by a guy in Pretoria and the Cape to make a 4x4 Beetle

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