INEOS Grenadier

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Walter Ortell

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Jul 6, 2021, 10:40:56 AMJul 6
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Nico Roets

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Jul 7, 2021, 7:45:30 AMJul 7
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I think that this is going to be a very nice vehicle.

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Jul 7, 2021, 8:50:36 AMJul 7
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If you can figure out where to fit the second spare wheel thats needed for even vague exploring in Southern Africa ;-p

Nico Roets

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Jul 7, 2021, 11:44:00 AMJul 7
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I don’t know  but it’s not a priority for me. I have traveled quite a few 100k kms in Africa south of the equator and have never required a second spare.  But if it is really necessary I would put it on the roof rack. And I am sure that it won’t be long before dual rear bumper carriers will be available. 
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CATS

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Jul 7, 2021, 1:01:55 PMJul 7
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I agree. I think it will be an amazing vehicle and a true off road vehicle. I am just not sure if it will be priced at the right price. And having said that I also do not know what the right price point would be.

But just like the Tesla I have it in my bucketlist to at least drive, if not own at some stage.

JC Pietersen

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Sean Steyn

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Jul 7, 2021, 2:29:38 PMJul 7
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Popped two tyres at a 4x4 day in Heidelberg. I borrowed Wavey’s spare to get home. I have not put a Goodyear on any car since.

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Jul 8, 2021, 5:36:01 AMJul 8
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It could possibly be more expensive than the new luxury Defender.

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Nico Roets

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Jul 8, 2021, 6:02:25 AMJul 8
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I see talk that it would come in at under GBP40k, which puts it in about the same price range as the new Defender. Orders to open in October.



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grahambowring2

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Jul 8, 2021, 6:08:32 AMJul 8
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Anyone know anything about the power train or chassis?



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David Bell

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Jul 8, 2021, 6:23:39 AMJul 8
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Ladder frame chassis, engine from Germany, designed by German engineers, body parts from Spain, assembled in an old Mercedes factory in France.  According to their publicity trying to keep as much analogue as possible even starts with a key, price we will have to wait and see but believed to be about GB£40k much in line with the Obranca sorry new Defender made in Slovakia 

Nico Roets

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Jul 8, 2021, 8:41:23 AMJul 8
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Engine 3 litre petrol or diesel from BMW with ZF gearboxes. Can't recall where the diffs are from but also a well known and reputable supplier.



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Bruce Turner

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Jul 10, 2021, 6:00:05 PMJul 10
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I’m looking very forward to this also. I have heard pricing of £40k to £55k.

I like Nico have never carried a second spare so that is not important to me. I am interested to see how back up for things like services and spares is going to work. I think this should have been the new defender not the new disco currently.

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Neale Penman

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Jul 12, 2021, 2:57:15 AMJul 12
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So direct conversion to Rands is about the R 900k  mark.

Not sure what other duties/ taxes would be applicable but that range
starts to look very competitive when you consider that you cant spec a
new defender for less than 1.25m. Two acquaintances of mine have bought
new defenders at the 1.5 and 1.6 mark.

I really do hope the Grenadier is successful, if only to keep LR honest
around their own Defender strategy. The key is to crack big volumes in
the US and UK and then the rest of us countries with tiny markets can
tag along.  I suspect that Ineos is going to rue being two years too
late - sales of the new defender in the US are apparently strong.

Cheers

Neale


Bruce Turner

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Jul 12, 2021, 5:58:07 AMJul 12
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It seems the initial strategy is to aim at right hand drive markets as the left hand drive is only coming later. 
Ineos also did not appose LR’s application to trademark the defender shape in the US. They apposed and won the court case  in Europe though. It’s all very confusing. 

I’m hoping they aim at U.K. (obviously), SA and Australia initially. 

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BruceT 

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Jul 12, 2021, 7:02:51 AMJul 12
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The vehicle looks great but it will be tough in Australia because of many entrenched brands, eg Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Mazda, VW, Chinese, Koreans, Jeep, LR etc.  

Mining companies, government departments & electric/communication utilities seem wedded to Hilux or Ranger utes and 70 series Cruisers. Much the same for large cattle stations & farmers. Bosses buy similar or 200 series Cruisers. 

Pretty tough to find a niche for an unknown brand...
  • Great Wall & Haval occupy the low ground. Have had some success with tradies & farmers in more settled areas. Farmers buy with a tray back rather than a tub & very rarely a wagon.
  • Jeep tried hard & saw some success by undercutting the Japanese on price, mostly selling to metro customers who liked the idea of driving off-road but rarely did. But have been licking their wounds for a few years after customers discovered their unreliability & tone deaf customer relations.
  • Koreans offer good reliability & reasonable price for soft roader wagons but are typically not destined for remote areas.
  •  Hilux / Ranger utes plus 70 Series Cruiser dominate the market for mines & utilities.
  • Tradies love twin cab utes for a mixture of business & personal use.
  • Amorok have done well with those who want more comfort but not for remote areas.
  • Range Rover & Disco have some following in metro markets but never in the bush. Defender has sold very few vehicles
Will be interesting to watch if INEOS come to Australia. Maybe a niche in the luxury market?


Graham Bowring




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Date: 12/7/21 7:58 pm (GMT+10:00)
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roaming yak

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Jul 12, 2021, 8:46:18 AMJul 12
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Worth watching Will's next video for a look aorund it seems...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEQaHGeOiQ

Paul Venter

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Jul 12, 2021, 12:55:50 PMJul 12
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Looking at some of their videos it sounds like they’ll also have a strong focus on the NGO market, which is currently dominated by Toyota.  Since Ineos makes its money is in the Oil and Gas industry, probably also focus on mining and exploration.  Based on the info so far available I can see the Grenadier being a good option for these markets in Africa (in many ways the same characteristics that makes it appeal to us overlanders).

 

Price wise – with import taxes on vehicles in SA I expect the Grenadier will probably come in at around the same price as the G Wagon Professional used to (which used to be priced similar to the Disco 4 at the time).  If this is the case, the Land Cruiser 76 series will have a significant edge in the SA market due to pricing.  This is my expectation – would love to be proven wrong on the pricing as it looks like a really nice vehicle…

 

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Paul

 

 

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It seems the initial strategy is to aim at right hand drive markets as the left hand drive is only coming later. 

Nico Roets

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Jul 13, 2021, 1:47:40 AMJul 13
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Paul I think you probably close to reality



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