OT: National Luna Charger System vs Ctek DC - DC System.
Michael Spencer-Wilson
particularly interested why you chose the system. Just want to get an
idea of what is most popular.
I personally have the NL = Not an ounce of trouble for more than 10Yrs.
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just using the NL diagrams off the web.
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Nico Roets
I currently have the C-Teck DC-DC.
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A.H. (Eric) Sommer
About 2 years ago I put in the Dual VSR - love it - it also connects that
car battery it the Solar panels are putting in enough to push the voltage
over 13.8.
Still have the ColeHersey available as a backup.
CHeers
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Neale Penman
first generation NL system in the 90 for about 8 years. Zero issues.
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I will take the NL system along as a spare on trips.
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Peter,
How do you open the control unit to get to the dip switches? My concern is not so much how to open it but how to open it and get it water proof closed afterwards?
Regards,
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Peter,
Thanks I will google for the manual a bit later when at a pc.
It seem to me we have different models since mine dont have any screws that can be remove from the outside. There are screws that attache the back cover to the mounting plate but to get to them you have to remove the front cover first. To remove the front cover on mine is my concern.
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On 12 Dec 2011 9:36 AM, "Peter Levey" <lev...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are screws IIRC - the unit isn't waterproof. The manual explains it nicely. Sorry, but I'm a long way from mine so can't check now.Peter Levey
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Then I switched to a VSR - ran faultlessly for 2 years.
Then I developed an itch and added a DC/DC booster charger in the circuit. The DC-DC charger kukked on the first trip due to heat (lack of air-flow). I have now added a manual by-pass in the event that the smoke escapes again. Still have to find a better spot for it.
The DC-DC unit I acquired is perhaps better suited to marine (cool) applications than 45 deg Botswana temps. It is something to consider.
Note - It's NOT the C-Tek.
Michael Spencer-Wilson
Solenoid. Did it pack up after all the years?
Monitoring this post, I'm humbled how little I know, but on the flip
side, fascinating how many are still continuing with the original NL.
Mike
On Dec 12, 10:49 am, Hennie Rautenbach <hennie.rautenb...@gmail.com>
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> Been using a Cole & Hersee Constant Rated Solenoid for approx 8 years.
> Never had issues.
>
> Then I switched to a VSR - ran faultlessly for 2 years.
>
> Then I developed an itch and added a DC/DC booster charger in the circuit.
> The DC-DC charger kukked on the first trip due to heat (lack of air-flow).
> I have now added a manual by-pass in the event that the smoke escapes
> again. Still have to find a better spot for it.
>
> The DC-DC unit I acquired is perhaps better suited to marine (cool)
> applications than 45 deg Botswana temps. It is something to consider.
>
> *Note - It's NOT the C-Tek.*
Rob Harvey
managed with a solar panel.
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Christo Steyn
On all my previous cars I used Cole Hersee... and it was always easy and rock solid... but now on the Disco 4 (Disco 3 could also do this but only found out much later) there is a accessory trailer plug (it is called 12S.. it has a dedicated earth and auxilary battery feed for the trailer..... so when you drive, that part plugs into the caravan's Brad Harrison to charge the caravan battery. When stationary I can plug the CTEK into the 12S to charge the main battery.... and then with a VSR now fitted, the car's auxillary battery will also charge.... aint that neat!!
Cheers
CS
Michael Spencer-Wilson
If I were to but the VSR, does it come in kit form? or is it the kind
that you need to apply your mind and buy the parts separately?
Mike
On Dec 12, 12:03 pm, Christo Steyn <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well Hennie is ahead of me too (Captain gadget)
>
> On all my previous cars I used Cole Hersee... and it was always easy and
> rock solid... but now on the Disco 4 (Disco 3 could also do this but only
> found out much later) there is a accessory trailer plug (it is called 12S..
> it has a dedicated earth and auxilary battery feed for the trailer..... so
> when you drive, that part plugs into the caravan's Brad Harrison to charge
> the caravan battery. When stationary I can plug the CTEK into the 12S to
> charge the main battery.... and then with a VSR now fitted, the car's
> auxillary battery will also charge.... aint that neat!!
>
> Cheers
> CS
>
A.H. (Eric) Sommer
Single and Dual VSR comes in shrink wrap.
One piece only.
Attach positive Line from Main battery in side A, attached positive line
from secondary battery in Side B, ground unit.
Done.
Hennie Rautenbach
Christo Steyn
Read instructions here.. I use the 125 Amp one...
http://www.jgtech.com/pdf/VSR_instructions.pdf
Cheers
CS
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Attie Cilliers
with manual switch in cabin.
I considered the DC-DC charger booster route - specifically the CTEK -
until I started hearing about these devices failing in the field (not
necessarily the CTEK's). I'm a follower of the KISS principle, so I'll
only look at the CTEK again when I decide to invest in solar as well.
This seems like a very simple way of integrating solar and alternator
charging.
My setup is based on 2x Deltec deep cycles in the load bay of my DC
truck. These linked to engine bay with starter cable. I'm a bit worried
about the 20A limit of the CTEK DC-DC unit. One of the reasons why I
have not made the decision yet.
Regards,
Attie
Sats Oosthuizen
Marc Hall
Kevin Smith
Peter Levey
SteveP
their place, but require heavy cable connections and have trouble
achieving the voltage level required to fully charge an Optima-type
battery. That may be totally irrelevant or it may be important to
different people and uses. I use a simple manual switch in my Defender
- the batteries are under the seat and the switch is mounted right on
the box in front, where I can even reach it while driving.
On the D2, my second battery is an Optima mounted on the floor behind
the console. Much easier to run lighter wire to there from the
alternator, and the D250S makes sure the Optima stays healthy.
On Dec 12, 12:25 am, Michael Spencer-Wilson
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Henk Coetzee
I'm another happy VSR user. The installation is very simple and I've had no problems so far. For me, the secret is to keep things as simple as possible.
Henk
Marc Hall
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On Dec 13, 12:55 pm, "Marc Hall" <isiny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tested mine and its definitely on 5 mins
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> Marc I thought it was 3. I could be wrong and will check later this week when I return from Kenton.
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> Peter Levey
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> > Not 5 mins Peter?
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> > I have the NL setup and that delay before charging the 2nd battery can be set by a set of dip switches in the control unit. So you have the option of making it shorter. Mine is the default setting of 3 min.
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I found 2 screws on the front panel behind the logo sticker of the control unit. I opened and there are no dip switches in my unit. So my unit is on 5 min and will stay there.
I checked on my last trip to a NP, I have driven +- 6 hours a day and stopped average 26 times during the day to take photos. 26 x 5 min = 130 minutes a day. That is a lot of charging time that I lost with the NL. With the CTek 250s when I reverse out of the garage the secondary batteries start charging before I change from reverse to first to drive out of the gate. Far more effective for my use.
I have now added a 80w solar panel since I am taking landscape photos and will do more hiking than driving.
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to 2 or more batteries at the same time. The batteries will also only
draw maximum amps for a few minutes, even when moderately full, as such
only useful if the alternator is too small.
When game driving the timer is a real problem if you stop often and
switch the vehicle off for photos (no engine vibrations), similar to
Hannes's scenario below.
I also agree with keep it as simple as necessary. Personally I use the
CTEK charger, bridging the input and output terminals with the old cole
hersee relay. This way, if the CTEK should die, I just engage the solenoid.
Cheers
Mike
A.H. (Eric) Sommer
When it does, simply remove the faulty device, connect the cables together,
tape them up and carry on!
Just have to watch consumption then so that you don't flatten the car
battery
Cheers
Rudi
setup so that you are able to do field repairs and workarounds when a
component eventually fails. Knowing your system and being able to fix or
bypass it in the sticks is probably more important than the type of system
you use.
Cheers
Rudi
Nico Roets
Regards,
Nico Roets
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Michael Bishop
an audible continuity meter.
Invaluable in helping you resolve electrikery issues.
Regards
Mike B
Peter Levey
system and I have a single dipswitch which is accessed by removing the
cover of the control box which can be set to a 1, 2, 4 or 8 minute
delay before charging of the 2nd battery kicks in.
Cheers
Peter Levey
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Mike Lauterbach
your alternator is too small. The timer becomes a real pain when you
are game watching and where you switch the engine off to take steady
photos. You can end up driving for 5 minute stretches between photos,
and not charging the aux batteries at all as the timer would not get a
chance to connect the aux batteries
Cheers
Mike
Peter Levey
on a delay of 4 minutes. I have never had a flat battery or any
issues with the system at all and after reading the 70 mails today on
VSR's etc I'm very happy with what I have. I only posted this because
at the time we were discussing the time delay and it seems as if the
newer NL systems have a fixed 5 minute delay.
Cheers
Peter Levey
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Peter Levey
is on all the time too :-) Works like a dream. In the 9 years I am
only on my 2nd deep cycle battery as well.
Peter Levey
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battled with flat batteries - he and his xyl are avid game viewers and
photographers, and constantly stop for photos. Their aux batteries
stood no chance with the timer
We ended up fitting a 100A alternator and a CTek charger a few years
ago. No more problems.
But if you don't stop and start, it is not really an issue
Cheers
Mike
Mike Lauterbach
Brendon Muller
when i bought it, the timer does not seem to work for me in town, was fine
while in Namibia and doing long distances. I have my fridge running
permanently but my 2nd battery is slowly dying and have to boost every now
and then, so good to know i can set timer shorter, may solve my problem.
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Hannes Thirion
Here is a photo of my NL closed and a photo of it opened up.
No dip switches inside.
If yours look like this on the outside chances are that it don't have dip switches on the inside.
Peter, does yours with the dip switches look like this on the outside?
I have made holes in the label on the control box to open the unit.
It is amazing the level of detail obtained from a cell phone picture.
Peter Levey
rounded corners and it is metal with 4 screws on the side. As I said
in my mail NL have changed the system from when I got mine in 2002
where there was a dip switch with 4 on/off switches, only 1 of which
could be on at a time providing 1,2,4,8 minute delays. The new ones
have a fixed 5 minute delay. Please refer to the attached scan from
the manual.
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Peter Levey
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Francois Visagie
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Is your solar panel in parallel with the alternator on the cranking
battery, or only connected to your auxiliary battery?
I have my 2 solar panels in parallel with the alternator , ie
connected to the cranking battery because, in my view, I don't want to
only rely on the alternator to charge the cranking battery.
NL tell me that if I go to them they'll drop the timer down to 30
seconds. It cannot be reduced to 0 minutes.
The Ctek D250S seems to be the answer, but NL was quite an investment
too.
Cheers
Dave Raulstone
On Jan 23, 8:28 pm, Peter Levey <leve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, and for the last 4 years I've had a solar panel in parallel which
> is on all the time too :-) Works like a dream. In the 9 years I am
> only on my 2nd deep cycle battery as well.
>
Peter Levey
My solar panel is connected via a Steca solar regulator directly to
the auxiliary battery. However once the NL solenoid engages with the
engine running it is in parallel with the alternator. It will have
virtually no effect on the cranking battery as the output is much
smaller than what the alternator is putting out. As soon as the
engine is switched off it is only connected to the auxiliary battery
again.
Peter Levey
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leveypa/
Sats Oosthuizen
On Monday, 12 December 2011, Michael Spencer-Wilson <mspence...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a quick show of hands, who votes for what system. Not
> particularly interested why you chose the system. Just want to get an
> idea of what is most popular.
>
> I personally have the NL = Not an ounce of trouble for more than 10Yrs.
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