Fw: RE: [IMPORTANT] PPs Instruction Re: Choir Taking Communion

[C. G. Cadhit]

Dear Sir,

I waited for so long for a reply from you. It is just weird that you would reply to an email that I didn't use to write you ever.  

I really hope Willy didn't send out your email because as you said you didn't know the complete details of what happened. Without knowledge, there is no wisdom. Without wisdom, there is no discernment.

We have always been flexible with you. Remember we have been with you for over a year in different embassies. I am just curious which do we follow in future cases like this? Is it the Bishop's will? Is it your will? Is it John's will or Aneel's will? Please note Sir that we are not complaining about the rules. We didn't have problems at the Spanish, Italian, Irish and BE. At the LH we had a problem. Surely the number of people attending these venues except for the BE are all small and manageable. Let it be noted that we are complaining about the delivery of your rules particularly by one man who started it all. Should you pry onto this issue, ask them what Conrad did. Maybe you would understand. 

I don't need to pacify the Singers because I was not the one who called them "abusive". Do you know what "abusive" means? 

Our eldest member is in her golden years. Our youngest is 14 years old. I think you should help them understand why you called them "abusive". You owe it to them, Sir. Pacify them. Heal them. As our Shepherd you should tend to your flock. 

As for dinner, the Singers are saying why is it that you will only invite me. I think even without the dinner you owe it to them to explain. I also want to note that our Singers have minds and hearts of their own. I don't brainwash them because they are good people. I just speak for them but they have other things they want to say to you. When the moment is right maybe they will let you know.

As for me, Sir, your words have hurt me so many times in the last four months and right now I don't feel like talking to you or seeing you yet. I will see you when I am ready. I hope you understand. 

By the way Sir, in the months that we have exchanged emails for over two years, I know that you have the tendency to be rude and sharp-tongued with your words (even in person) but I also know that you have the humility to say "sorry" and apologize when you did something wrong. I don't feel your essence in your email. I just want to say that somehow I think someone wrote it for you. If I am correct and you have a ghost writer, no more insult would have been added to injury had you told me you will see us when you come back and discuss further. No more explanations and rationalizations. And if you have a ghost writer, he really sucked big time. I am not accusing. I just wanted to say.

Thank you for everything, Sir. Take care always.

Tobbie

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From: Francis Central region <kikos...@hotmail.com>;
To: C. G. Cadhit <cglc...@gmail.com>; José Manuel <mrpog...@yahoo.com>; Willy Credo <thepoor...@yahoo.com>; Willy Credo <thepoor...@gmail.com>;
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Subject: RE: [IMPORTANT] PPs Instruction Re: Choir Taking Communion
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 9:22:34 PM

Dear Tobbie,  I am attending important meetings in my community and I didn't have the time to answer. My issue now is the possibility to come back in SA as my community wants me for other projects and ministries. Regarding our questions, I didn't have the complete details of what happened. I wanted jsut to remind the rules and when we have problem, we always come back to the general rules. For years, I was flexible. We have to be flexible in our situation. When we can, we have to respect the general rules of the Church. In this case, the BB has express his will and it's difficult to aply it always. it's easier in big congregations. I understand that you was hurted by what happened and by my rude answer. it's a lesson for everybody to be clear and to explain ourself better. For me, it's not a big issue and I find exagerated all reactions. To feel that I want to push you out is exagerated. Next week, thanks God, I will be bach and we will take time together.  Be in peace in your heart. Pacify your choir.  I will call you to have dinner with you. We need to speakand to find joy in our ministry. be blessed F Fr Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 02:36:17 -0700 From: tobbie...@yahoo.com Subject: Fw: [IMPORTANT] PPs Instruction Re: Choir Taking Communion To: mrpog...@yahoo.com; thepoor...@yahoo.com; thepoor...@gmail.com CC: kikos...@hotmail.com; lombss...@yahoogroups.com; richar...@gmail.com; alfre...@hotmail.com; rgsalv...@yahoo.com; babyga...@yahoo.com; kier...@gmail.com; keith....@yahoo.com; nasaan...@yahoo.com; dan_j...@yahoo.com; litzpl...@yahoo.com.ph; ron...@gmail.com; boo...@yahoo.com; robieg...@yahoo.com Dear Willy and Tito Manny, I have been praying for peace of mind and discernment since yesterday regarding this issue. After much prayer for a response from our PP to which we have not received any, my conscience has led me to request for a copy of the email sent to the PP possibly on the night of the incident. In fairness to the PP, we would like to know the context of the email sent to him that led him to react to the issue under the email "RE: Celebrant waits for the Choir during communion". Had the email been sent when the incident had already passed several days, we would not be hurt by the term "abusive attitude"  of the choir. But because the reply of the PP was received a few hours after the incident, I could not help but think we were the culprit. I feel, as I have discerned by the power of the Holy Spirit, that the PP should be the one to heal and pacify his flock. From this incident, we feel we are being pushed away from the fold. If you may, we would like to know what either of you or whoever wrote to the PP. In any incident, it is always best to hear both sides and not be partial to anyone. Bring us wisdom and discernment. Give us peace.  I also attached here a copy of the response of BB to singing during communion from Avona.Org. Also attached for your reference is a detail from the GIRM. In Christ, TLC ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: C. G. Cadhit <tobbie...@yahoo.com> To: Sir Francis de Asis <kikos...@hotmail.com> Cc: Jose Manuel <mrpog...@yahoo.com>; Suy Servidur <thepoor...@gmail.com>; "lombss...@yahoogroups.com" <lombss...@yahoogroups.com>; Richard A. Cruz <richar...@gmail.com>; Madonna (Magnificat) Gutierrez <alfre...@hotmail.com>; Rodel Salvatierra <rgsalv...@yahoo.com>; Robie Gamboa <babyga...@yahoo.com>; Kieron Sacun <kier...@gmail.com>; Keith Pulongbarit <keith....@yahoo.com>; Estrella Ponio <nasaan...@yahoo.com>; Danilo Jarina <dan_j...@yahoo.com>; Lita Plazuela <litzpl...@yahoo.com.ph>; Ronald Pulongbarit <ron...@gmail.com>; Raquel Pulongbarit <boo...@yahoo.com>; Robie Gamboa <robieg...@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT] PPs Instruction Re: Choir Taking Communion Dear Sir Francis, I received the email below as sent by Willy. The email was sent after the incident that transpired last night at the LH. For your reference, the LOMBS Singers (the choir assigned to sing last night) was the subject of an apparent "resistance" to receive communion a week ago. This "resistance" was never verbally and formally discussed with us. Honestly, the LOMBS Singers never had the intention of creating the impression of a resistance.  After the email sent by BB dated June 25, 2013 (attached here), the practice shifted from giving the choir communion first before the congregation to receiving last after the congregation. Upon institution of the instruction from the BB, for a few or several months we receive communion after we have finished our song. You practiced this with us with no resistance and no problems. You never even mentioned to us that it was a problem. Usually you come to us and tell us if there was something wrong. Now you are saying it is an "abusive attitude in the UK Community". We are sorry you feel we are abusive. You could have told us. The supposed "resistance" being raised as an issue to the group was never formally discussed with us. Surprisingly, it was an issue that was not even formally communicated within the LOM where it happened. Yet it was an issue. How do you think we felt when there were no instructions before the service and suddenly an individual approaches us with hand gestures and commanding voice as if dealing with slaves? My parents only had to look at me and I knew what to do because I was told what to do before an incident happened.  Sadly last night, I don't know if they told you, it was disheartening that we were instructed like ducks in a pond to receive communion when the song was about to be finished in two lines. I personally did not receive communion because I was appalled by the way we were instructed. There should have been a preamble two weeks ago when a celebrant had an issue with us. There was none. There should have been a soft reminder last night prior to the service about the celebrant's issue but unfortunately, there were still no instructions. What we got was a hand gesture and an insulting stare as if reprimanding a child to eat his/her meals. We are civilized individuals. We are not animals. The least we ask is respect.  By practice and from our experience with you, in the Embassies where we sing other than the UK, you have always made special arrangements for us to receive communion after the mass. We just followed that practice as no one brought this to our attention. We never felt it was abusive because you allowed it for us. We believed it was acceptable because it came from you. Now we are knowing you are tired of repeating yourself to remind us. Our apologies. It is disheartening to exist in an environment where there are no rules, or if there are rules they are left to a few individuals who don't even take the time out to communicate -- educate the people. This makes the rules pop out like mushrooms when issues happen -- issues like last night. There are also too many bosses and we don't know whose authority we follow. Thank you for your email. At least now we know. It didn't have to take an incident like last night to make this clear. As I said, we are civilized. All we needed to do was communicate properly. Many thanks, TLC References: 1. Attached email from Francis dated 25 June 2013 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Suy Servidur <thepoor...@gmail.com> To: liturgica...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Jose Manuel <mrpog...@yahoo.com>; Jun Sarmiento <jun.sa...@gmail.com>; Sir Francis de Asis <kikos...@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: [IMPORTANT] PPs Instruction Re: Choir Taking Communion Greetings of peace!   Lately, one of our mass celebrants has called our attention about some of the parish choir groups who only take the communion after the communion song is over. As a result this keeps him waiting.   In light of this, our Parish Priest has sent us an explict instruction that has to be observed by all parish choir groups. Kindly refer to the email below.   Suy       --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Francis Central region <kikos...@hotmail.com> To: José Manuel <mrpog...@yahoo.com>; Willy Credo <thepoor...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:04:55 AM Subject: RE: Celebrant waits for the Choir during communion   By instruction of the BB, the choir should take communion after the congregation and should stop the song at that moment. Some choirs are not following this instruction and continue to sing even if they have received communion. it's not acceptable! It is "not appropriate" at all that the minister, ordinary or extraordinary, has to wait for the choir to come for communion. We have to stop this abusive attitude, specially in the UK community, in USERA and in some CFC groups. In my part, I am not waiting for the choir. If the choir's members are not coming on time, they will loose the chance to receive communion. Usually, I am not speaking during the celebration but I advice the choir's leader after the EC. I will be more strict in the future. I am tired to repeat the same thing all time. Thanks F Fr -- for Sunday readings & homilies visit: http://thepoorservant.tripod.com