Tito Manny and Willy,
Kagabi napag-alaman ko na ang email ni KIKO ay ifinorward ni Kris sa mga taga SCAN specifically.... iyong part with abusive attitude. Unfortunately hindi member/s ng choir ang napagbigyan niya. Ano kaya ang agenda niya? Ano ba talaga ang scenario? May inggit ba sa LOMBS? May poot ba dahil hindi kami nakaraning noong French Tea Party? Bago tayo magkapatawaran, sa akin dapat magkaroon ng self reflection ang mga taong gigil na gigil sa LOMBS. Gusto ba nilang sumali? Gusto ba nilang mawala ito? Gusto ba nilang cla ang kumanta sa mga embassies? Kc hanggang ngayon hindi pa maliwanag sa akin at hindi ko pa rin majustify kong bakit ganoon ang naging sulat ni KIKO (with abusive attitude) unless may
mga iba pang sumbong at issues na naiparating sa kanya, at reaction ni CONRAD (resistance on our part). The reaction of KIKO was uncalled for (overkill) - and the reaction of CONRAD was totally un-acceptable, unless may mga discussions and issues behind na hindi naipaaabot sa LOMBS maliban sa pagsubo. Sa akin mas gusto kong malaman kay CONRAD kung ano iyong resistance on our part. Nagkataon kc nandoon ako ng makitang kong nanglilisik ang mata niya last 20 May 2013 sa choir members before the mass. Totally an abnornal BEHAVIOR.
Sana iresolve ang current issue or issues ng mga taong may issue sa LOMBS. Huwag tayong maging BIBLICAL. Kc pakiramdam ko subrang denial....
lita
--- On Sat, 6/1/13, Manny D. <mrpog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Manny D. <mrpog...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Para sa iyo T2 Man at Willy
To: "C. G. Cadhit" <cglc...@gmail.com>, "Willy Credo" <thepoor...@gmail.com>, "Willy Credo" <thepoor...@yahoo.com>
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Date: Saturday, 1 June, 2013, 2:41 PM
Dear Tito Tobbie,
Naiparating ko na sa yo at Kay T2 Willy ang sagot at paumanhin kung paanong di kita nasabihan at alam kong mauunawaan mo naman.
At ngayon alam na natin ang dahilan ng lahat, nais kong hingin sa yo ang sama samang pagsasaayos nito. Iwasan na natin pag usapan pa ito sa email at FB. Sa pag uusap na maayos na natin daanin ang lahat. Sabihin mo sa
akin kung sinu-sino ang dapat mag usap usap. Tayong dalawa lang , o tayo nila Tito WIlly , o kayo nila TKiko o kung anuman. Sa pag uusap na ito, ang ating objective ay para sa ikakaayos ng lahat at magpatuloy ang ating paglilingkod
at pagkakaisa para sa Kanya. Pansamantala lang tayo sa bansang ito. Aalis at aalis din tayo pagdating ng panahon. At sa ating pag-alis, naroon sana ang kapayapaan sa puso at pasasalamat sa pagkakataon na ipinagkaloob sa atin na makapaglingkod sa kanya, sa maliit o malaki man paraan sa bayan na ito.
Nang umalis si Tito Boy
Ledesma,nilapitan ko sya at nagpasalamat. Ilang oras bago sya lumipad ay nagservice pa rin sya sa easter vigil sa Irish embassy kasama ang lolo.
Sabi ko sa kanya, napakaganda ng gagawin mong pamamaalam sa bayan na ito. Aalis ka na nakaattend ng Easter mass kasama pa ang lolo at nakapaglingkod pa sa Misa. Nakita ko sa mukha niya ang ngiti at sigla at kapayapaan ng puso. Sa tingin ko, sa
paraan na ito pinadama ng Panginoon ang kanya ring pasasalamat.
Sana ay ganoon din sa pag alis natin.
God bless.
T2
Man
Tito Manny at Willy,
Kaytagal kong hinintay ang sagot niyo. Sa email na di ko binubuksan pala pinadala.
Responsibilidad ko bilang kasama sa pananampalataya na ipaalam sa aking kapatid kung may nagawa man siyang pagkakamali sa akin, sa aking pananaw. At dahil ito ay
responsibilidad ko, mahalagang maiparating ko sa inyong dalawa ang tunay kong nararamdaman. Sinusulat ko itong umaagos ang luha ng sakit na nararamdaman ko.
Tito Man, mahigit dalawang taon ko na po kayong kakilala. Sa dalawang taon ko kayong nakilala maraming beses ko sa inyong sinabi kung paano ko kayong itinuturing na parang aking ama. Buhay pa Tatay ko noon at sabi ko sa inyo salamat sa pagiging parang ikalawang ama ko dito. Mataas ang pagtingin ko sa inyo at pagpapasalamat. Kayo lagi naghahatid sa akin noon sa airport at kung hindi man kayo pinapahatid niyo ako sa ibang tao. Hingahan ko kayo ng sama
ng loob. At ang ngiti niyo at pagpapasalamat tuwing maganda ang kanta namin ay sapat nang kabayaran para sa isang anak na lumilingon sa kanyang itinuturing na ikalawang ama. Palagi naman po T2 Man kapag may problema kayo sa akin o kaya sa amin kinakausap niyo kami. Pinagsasabihan nang walang pinapaboran. Hindi naman po dapat umabot sa malaking isyu kung nagsabi lang kayo sa akin o kaya po kay Tita Lita o kay Tita Boots o Tito Ron. Ama kayo ng MBS kaya masakit tanggapin na tatlong beses na po palang nagrereklamo ang Tatay at wala kayong sinabi. Sa pagkakataong ito gusto ko pong iparating sa inyo na nasaktan niyo ako. At nagdaan ang mga araw na hinihintay kong kausapin niyo kami pero wala. Siguro po mali ang pagkakakilala ko sa inyo. Tinatanong ko nga sarili ko, "Ano ang nangyari kay Tito Manny?" Ganun pa man, salamat po sa lahat ng pagkakataon. Idol ko kayo eh. Kaya lang sa mga panahong ito, nagkamali po yata ako. Paumanhin kung nasaktan ko
kayo.
Willy, naaalala mo ba paano nabuo ang LOMBS Singers? Naaalala mo ba na dahil sa pakikiisa mo sa amin at pagluluto ng tinola at pagsuporta nagbunga ang isang grupo sa panahong nawala si Chris. Isa ka sa nagtanim kaya nabuo ang grupo. Subalit nakakalungkot kasi bigla kang nawala. At sa naganap na mga pangyayari, ikaw na lider ng Liturhiya ang siyang dapat sanang gumitna at kumausap sa amin. Sa ganang akin, ikaw ang nagdiin at naglaglag sa amin. Ngunit kahit isa mang salita ng pagpapaumanhin ay wala kaming narinig sa iyo. Pinaalalahanan tayo dati ng Lolo na ang trabaho ng bawat isa ay maging
tagapagpalaganap ng Salita sa isip, salita at sa gawa. Nakakalungkot kasi pagkatapos ng mga pagpapalitan ng mga kuro kuro at paghinga ng sama ng loob, andun pa rin tayo sa punto kung sino ang pinakatama at kung sino ang pinakamalapad ang papel. Di naman mahirap sigurong magsalita o sumulat man lang ng email bago pa pinarating sa Tatay ang isyu. Masakit man sabihin Willy, nagkulang ka at nasaktan mo kami. Tinatanong ko rin ang sarili ko, "Ano ang nangyari kay Willy?" Bakit may halong galit yata sa grupo na kasama siyang binuo. Ganun pa man, salamat sa lahat ng naitulong mo sa amin. Paumanhin kung nasaktan man kita.
Higit sa lahat, gusto ko lang sabihin na si Conrad ang siyang puno't dulo ng alitan. Hindi naman kami nagrereklamo sa mga batas na pinapatupad. Nasaktan kami sa paraan kung paano pinapatupad. At si Conrad, sa lahat ng mga pangyayari ay walang bahid pagsisisi at pagpapakumbaba. Pero salamat din sa kanya. Masyado siya sigurong malapit sa Panginoon at sa Mahal na Ina. At sa Tatay Kiko na siyang dapat inalam muna ang mga pangyayari ay tinawag pa kaming "abusive". Kung ano ang laman ng puso, iyon ang laman ng salita.
Nasabi ko na ang gusto kong sabihin sa inyong
dalawa. Salamat sa lahat ng
mga aral. Pinaalala niyo sa akin kung gano ko kamahal ang pag-awit at kung gaano ko kamahal ang Panginoon.
TLC
From: Suy
Servidur < thepoor...@gmail.com> Date: May 29, 2013, 1:30:30 PM GMT+03:00 To: "C. G. Cadhit" < cglc...@gmail.com> Cc: Manny Ducut < mrpog...@yahoo.com>, Willy Credo < thepoor...@yahoo.com>, Tatay Kiko < kikos...@hotmail.com>, " lombss...@yahoogroups.com" < lombss...@yahoogroups.com>, "Richard A. Cruz" < richar...@gmail.com>, "Madonna (Magnificat) Gutierrez" < alfre...@hotmail.com>, Rodel Salvatierra < rgsalv...@yahoo.com>, Robie Gamboa < babyga...@yahoo.com>, Kieron Sacun < kier...@gmail.com>, Keith Pulongbarit < keith....@yahoo.com>, Estrella Ponio < nasaan...@yahoo.com>, Danilo Jarina < dan_j...@yahoo.com>, Lita Plazuela < litzpl...@yahoo.com.ph>, Ronald Pulongbarit < ron...@gmail.com>, Raquel Pulongbarit < boo...@yahoo.com>, Robie Gamboa < robieg...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fw: [IMPORTANT] PPs Instruction Re: Choir Taking Communion
Hello Tito Tobbie, Down the line is the email we sent to Kiko for his comments and instruction after the incident last Monday evening. Tito has Manny asked me to get a clear instruction from the PP so that
the choir members won't be confused.
God bless. Willy
------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Suy Servidur <thepoor...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:33 PM Subject: Celebrant waits for the Choir during communion To: Sir Francis de Asis < kikos...@hotmail.com> Cc: Jose Manuel < mrpog...@yahoo.com>
Dear Fr. Francis, Hope this message finds you well. Lately it has been the practice of LOM/MBS choir to finish the communion song before they take communion.
I am under the impression that such practice is inappropriate. This is as well the comment of Fr John because he's been complaining about it. He called Tito Manny's attention 3 times now because of the same issue.
We need to get a clear-cut instruction from you whether the celebrant has to wait the choir and let them finish the communion before they take communion.
Getting your prompt advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you. Willy
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM, C. G. Cadhit <tobbie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Willy and Tito Manny,
I have been praying for peace of mind and discernment since yesterday regarding this issue. After much prayer for a response from our PP to which we have not received any, my conscience has led me to request for a copy of the email sent to the PP possibly on the night of the incident. In fairness to the PP, we would like to know the context of the email sent to him that led him to react to the issue under the email "RE: Celebrant waits for the Choir during communion". Had the email been sent when the
incident had already passed several days, we would not be hurt by the term "abusive attitude" of the choir. But because the reply of the PP was received a few hours after the incident, I could not help but think we were the culprit. I feel, as I have discerned by the power of the Holy Spirit, that the PP should be the one to heal and pacify his flock. From this incident, we feel we are being pushed away from the fold.
If you may, we would like to know what either of you or whoever wrote to the
PP. In any incident, it is always best to hear both sides and not be partial to anyone. Bring us wisdom and discernment. Give us peace.
I also attached here a copy of the response of BB to singing during communion from Avona.Org. Also attached for your reference is a detail from the GIRM.
In Christ,
TLC
Dear Sir
Francis,
I received the email below as sent by Willy. The email was sent after the incident that transpired last night at the LH.
For your reference, the LOMBS Singers (the choir assigned to sing last night) was the subject of an apparent "resistance" to receive
communion a week ago. This "resistance" was never verbally and formally discussed with us. Honestly, the LOMBS Singers never had the intention of creating the impression of a resistance.
After the email sent by BB dated June 25, 2013 (attached here), the practice shifted from giving the choir communion first before the congregation to receiving last after the congregation. Upon institution of the instruction from the BB, for a few or several months we receive communion after we have finished our song. You practiced this with us with no resistance and no problems. You never even mentioned to us that
it was a problem. Usually you come to us and tell us if there was something wrong. Now you are saying it is an "abusive attitude in the UK Community". We are sorry you feel we are abusive. You could have told us.
The supposed "resistance" being raised as an issue to the group was never formally discussed with us. Surprisingly, it was an issue that was not even formally communicated within the LOM where it happened. Yet it was an issue. How do you think we felt when there were no instructions before the service and suddenly an individual approaches us with hand
gestures and commanding voice as if dealing with slaves? My parents only had to look at me and I knew what to do because I was told what to do before an incident happened.
Sadly last night, I don't know if they told you, it was disheartening that we were instructed like ducks in a pond to receive communion when the song was about to be finished in two lines. I personally did not receive communion because I was appalled by the way we were instructed. There should have been a preamble two weeks ago when a celebrant had an issue with us. There was none. There should have been a soft reminder last night
prior to the service about the celebrant's issue but unfortunately, there were still no instructions. What we got was a hand gesture and an insulting stare as if reprimanding a child to eat his/her meals. We are civilized individuals. We are not animals. The least we ask is respect.
By practice and from our experience with you, in the Embassies where we sing other than the UK, you have always made special arrangements for us to receive communion after the mass. We just followed that practice as no one brought this to our attention. We never felt it was abusive because you allowed it for us. We
believed it was acceptable because it came from you. Now we are knowing you are tired of repeating yourself to remind us. Our apologies.
It is disheartening to exist in an environment where there are no rules, or if there are rules they are left to a few individuals who don't even take the time out to communicate -- educate the people. This makes the rules pop out like mushrooms when issues happen -- issues like last night. There are also too many bosses and we don't know whose authority we follow.
Thank you for your email. At least now we know. It didn't have to take an incident like last night to make this clear. As I said, we are civilized. All we needed to do was communicate properly.
Many thanks,
TLC
References: 1. Attached email from Francis dated 25 June 2013
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Greetings of peace! Lately, one of our mass celebrants has called our attention about some of the parish choir groups who only take the communion after the communion song is over. As a result this keeps him waiting.
In light of this, our Parish Priest has sent us an explict instruction that has to be observed by all parish choir groups. Kindly refer to the email below.
Suy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Francis Central region <kikos...@hotmail.com>
To: José Manuel <mrpog...@yahoo.com>; Willy Credo <thepoor...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:04:55 AM
Subject: RE: Celebrant waits for the Choir during communion
By instruction of the BB, the choir should take communion after the congregation and should stop the song at that moment. Some choirs are not following this instruction and continue to sing even if they have received communion. it's not acceptable!
It is "not appropriate" at all that the minister, ordinary or extraordinary, has to wait for the choir to come for communion. We have to stop this abusive attitude, specially in the UK community, in USERA and in some CFC groups.
In my part, I am not waiting for the choir. If the choir's members are not coming on time, they will loose the chance to receive communion.
Usually, I am not speaking during the celebration but I advice the choir's leader after the EC. I will be more strict in the future. I am tired to repeat the same thing all time.
Thanks
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