Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: 2/1 Opener Rebid

[Peter]

Jonathan, you asked for a writeup of what my 2/1 book states.  It correlates mostly with what Shawn stated.

My 2/1 book is a little weird in that doesn't list their process.  Instead, they just show example after example to illustrate their points.  So I'm just going to list their highlighted points.

You need only 3 card support to raise responder's major suit bid.  The example shows a weak opener with the bidding sequence of 1S - 2H - 3H - 4H.  Note that opener did not bid 4H.  So I guess fast arrival doesn't come into play until the suit has been agreed upon? (p. 82)

On the next hand, responder and opener both have stronger hands and the bidding goes 1S - 2H - 3H - 3S (cue bid, not support) - 4C - 4H.  They both have weak diamonds, so they stopped at the game bid. (p. 83)

4 card support is normally needed to raise responder's minor bid. (p. 84)  This differs from Jonathan's web site in that you don't need extra values.

Opener  ALWAYS shows a 2nd 5 card suit.  Opener shows a 4 card suit EXCEPT with a minimum hand WHEN the suit would have to be bid at the 3 level.  (p. 85)

A new suit at the 2 level doesn't promise any extra strength even when it is higher ranking (meaning it's not a reverse).  1H - 2D - 2S is not a reverse. (p. 87)  This differs from Jonathan's web site.

With 6-4 distribution, opener usually shows the 4 card suit in a preference to rebidding the 6 card suit, unless the 4 card suit is very weak or cannot be shown at the 2 level.  (p. 87)

Opener's rebid of the original suit over the 2/1 response generally shows a 6 card or longer suit.  (p. 90)  There's a comment on an example which states that opener doesn't need to jump to show extra strength.  This differs from Jonathan's web site.

After a 2/1 response, opener shows a balanced hand with a rebid of 2NT.  (p. 92)  A comment states that is would show 12-14 pts. or 18-19 pts.

Opener's 2NT rebid does NOT guarantee a stopper in the unbid suits.  (p. 95)  This differs from the website that Jonathan posted.

The next section of the book deals with responder's rebids.

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Subject:	Re: Fwd: Re: 2/1 Opener Rebid
Date:	Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:19:41 -0500
From:	Jonathan Schiff <jssc...@aol.com>
To:	Peter <peter...@aol.com>

Well, if you can apply Shawn's process or what you're reading in your 2/1 book to this hand or other similar, write it up.
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On 2/13/2012 11:00 AM, Peter wrote:

I don't remember the hands exactly.  I had a 16 pt. hand with 6 hearts.  My partner had a 16 pt. hand with a singleton heart I believe.  That's about all I remember.

On 2/13/2012 10:48 AM, Jonathan Schiff wrote:

I opened up the group earlier today (right after my email to you).  If spam starts filing in, I'll close it up again and we can add anyone else.

I'm not sure I agree with Shawn's thoughts (probably because I don't fully understand it).  How would you have found your slam?  1H-2D-2H-???  I presume the next bid is 2NT instead of the actual 3NT that was bid.  Then what?  You didn't list the actual hands.
Until I hear more about this slow bidding and how to describe the 13 vs 16 vs 20 points, I like what I had sent (which I haven't looked at in detail....)
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On 2/13/2012 10:42 AM, Peter wrote:

If we want to open it up to bridge discussions, we could open it up to allow anyone to post via email.

Shawn had replied but I guess it got rejected by the group.  She was the lone dissenter in the meaning of the bid.  Her description actually matches the one in my 2/1 book, which is what started the whole discussion.  I forwarded her response to you (you probably got it before this message).

Peter

On 2/13/2012 9:51 AM, Jonathan Schiff wrote:

Yes, do you want me to invite her and anyone else?  Or, I can change the settings to allow anyone to post via email.

btw.. I didn't see any response from a Shawn
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On 2/11/2012 11:00 AM, Peter wrote:

I presume this is because she is not part of our google group?

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Subject:	Re: 2/1 Opener Rebid
Date:	Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:58:03 -0500
From:	Michelle <zy...@verizon.net>
To:	Peter <peter...@aol.com>

Hi Peter, I am unable to reply to the whole group but I have been getting the return emails from Shawn and Jonathan. I agree with Jonathan,s response,
Michelle 







On Feb 9, 2012, at 22:34, Peter <peter...@aol.com> wrote:

> You have a 16 pt. hand with 6 of your major.  You open the major and partner makes a 2/1 bid.  What is your rebid?
> Do you bid 2 just showing 6 of the suit or 3 showing extra values?
> The book I'm reading recommends bidding 2 of the suit.  How do we play?  Different answers are fine, I just need to know.
> I missed a slam this past week because the bidding when 1H - 2D - 2H - 3N.  My partner thought I had a minimal opener and with his jump to 3NT, I thought he had a minimal opener because I assumed fast arrival meant a minimum.  We both had 16ish pt. hands.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter