PANIC.....

[Patrick]

My bike decided to give me some problem tonight, I was in the market and
waiting at a red light when the bike just stalled. It's been doing this
since i have the carb clean and recalibrate... but the bike was running
perfectly otherwise and would not always stop just once on 20 let say., But
the idle was erratic. Now the bike is hard to start and the bike does not
take is gas proprelly and as soon as i leave the throttle it die.

when i go let says at 40 Kmh i feel the bike bucking...

Been able to get back home revving the bike the clutch off at red light.

the first thing i check was the oil level (NOTE THE OIL LIGHT NEVER WHENT
ON )
If i check the oil then bike standing on side stand the windows show no oil
and i believe it always did,when i center the bike or put it on center stand
the oil is about 1/2 way. How much oil should i add ?? Could this small of
oil missing could have done injury to the bike ?....

The bike was scheduled this week to have the carb re-clean and recalibrate
so if the mather im not to worry.

The engine sound still ok .

Im worry that my season could be over if i need to rebuild the engine.
even if im pretty sure that the carb are the faulty one.

please let me know what you think

Pat

[Brian]

I am pretty sure it has little or nothing to d with the oil level, but maybe
you should keep a closer eye on it. Since you say you just had the carbs
worked on that is the ideal place to start. Take it back to where you had
the carbs worked on and have them straighten it out, its difficult to try to
determine exactly what it might be, but.... hard to start, not taking gas
properly, erratic idle, these all happening together point to a carburator
problem.

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[Patrick]

Ok seem that the oil aint the problem has from what i been able to read on
the internet. I got to read that it may be a vacuum or air box problem.
soi will look at this tommorow with the day light
any comment is well appreciated

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[John]

Did you get carbs taken apart for cleaning or just some cleaner passed
through them?

A piece of dirt my have got lodged in a ventury or jet causing this problem.
or if they were taken apart something might not be set in properly. Floats
might have been misadjusted etc etc..I would start with the carbs for sure.
and maybe even replace the plugs for the hell of it. they could be fouled
now.

John

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[RDale]

Pat, take a deep breath ... your riding season isn't over ;-)!!

My wife's bike was doing EXACTLY the same thing ... seems that after we
removed the AIS from the bike and blocked the hoses (to keep a vacuum), that
one of the screws we used to block the hoses fell out. It was simply too
much air getting in. Look over your bike, I'll bet anything that you have a
vacuum leak somewhere - and you problem will be solved.

Rev

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[Tim]

Pat,

If you are talking about your Katana mine did the exact same thing
last year. After an hour of searching for a vacuum leak it turned out
that 2 of my plug wires were not tightly capped to the plugs which
caused intermittent missing. May not be the problem in your case but
worth a look at.

Tim

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[Patrick]

look like i found what is the problem, the pipe # 4 stay cold as the other
get really hot... Misfire on # 4 maybe bad sparkplug.... i have them replace
about 1400 Km ago however.....

will replace them all tommorow ans will see the result.

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[Tim]

This would confirm that it is similar to what I had.
Check that the wires are tightly capped to the plugs.

[Patrick]

I believe no gas is getting to the carb #4 that would also cause the
problem...?

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[Tim]

It would but it could also be that it is not firing.

[Brian]

It is easier to confirm that the wire and plug is not the problem than to
confirm the carb is. Prove if the plug is working first, then look at the
carb, but just for the record, I still think it is a carb problem.

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[Patrick]

i will reverse two plug and will see th result Im pretty sure the carb are
the problem as well.

i will keep everyine in touch about the result.
im less worry about a big problem now.

Pat

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[Tim]

The last thing you want to do is reverse the wires.
That could cause alot more problems.
Just pull the plug out. leave it connected to the wire and ground the
end of the plug to the bike. Pull the other plug wires off and then
try and start it and watch for spark on the one you have grounded.

On Sun, 30 May 2004 18:29:36 -0400, "Patrick"

[Patrick]

I have just remove the sparkplug # 3 and # 4 and change the order and the
problem persist.
On this bike their seem to be 2 coil 1 coil for 2 sparkplug. so it look like
the carb are the problem and in fact carb #4 is the first one to get the gas
in.

I will bring it to the shop this week. As my mecanic skill on bikes are very
limited
specially on carb.

does carb need to be resynch after cleaning ?

Pat

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[Patrick]

I have just remove the sparkplug # 3 and # 4 and change the order and the
problem persist.
On this bike their seem to be 2 coil 1 coil for 2 sparkplug. so it look like
the carb are the problem and in fact carb #4 is the first one to get the gas
in.

I will bring it to the shop this week. As my mecanic skill on bikes are very
limited
specially on carb.

does carb need to be resynch after cleaning ?

Pat

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[LE CLONE]

I have just remove the sparkplug # 3 and # 4 and change the order and the
problem persist.
On this bike their seem to be 2 coil 1 coil for 2 sparkplug. so it look like
the carb are the problem and in fact carb #4 is the first one to get the gas
in.

I will bring it to the shop this week. As my mecanic skill on bikes are very
limited
specially on carb.

does carb need to be resynch after cleaning ?

Pat

"Tim" <vez"JUNK"@istop.com> wrote in message

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[Paul Woodward]

Lets review this, you say that the only work you had done was the carb
recalibration and now one cylinder is running hot (probably lack of fuel).
Usually always best to go back to what was changed when looking for a new
problem.
Did you have a shop do the recalibration? If so take it back to them.

Paul
ST1300

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[Dave Walker]

hey Tim, just one thing to bear in mind, if you pull the plug out and ground
the plug on the frame, you may see a spark, but the spark in atmospheric
pressure may not have enough voltage to jump the gap under compression (when
it's still in the cylinder). Often this is overlooked as a valid test
procedure... that's what they have those spark plug tester thingy's for.

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[Dave Walker]

he said that cylinder # 4 was cold ... rest are very hot.
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[LE CLONE]

the bike is at the shop where the carb cleaning and calibration was done
back in April. Look like the carb #4 is jam with something not letting the
fuel go in cylinder #4 wich i causing no combustion..

Hopefully will be ready this week.

will post a replys about the results.

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[Dave Walker]

did you get a chance to check if the #4 carb bowl had any gas in it at all?
stuck float will screw ya sometimes like that...

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[LE CLONE]

I never work on carburetator and did not want to screw something on my bike
so i have not took the carb apart. Maybe one day i will get a non working
bike and learn on it, i did not want to learn on my bike...

Pat

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[Gamezgirl]

Pat

My buddy just did a complete work up on my bike (88 Katana 1100) because the
carbs were goofed up and some other issues with general aging. My bike now
sounds like a superbike, it barks! If you want your carbs done, he is really
reasonably priced and I am more impressed with his work than I ever
expected. I can get you in contact with him. We had my carbs off here at
home a number of times over the past three years trying to get them fixed (I
even tore it down in the parking lot of Homestead race track in Florida for
crying outloud!) We didn't really get to the problem. Ron had it right
away. Two thumbs up!

Heather