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Harold
Nov 19, 2009, 4:57:59 PM11/19/09
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I know how to use wiki's, and I know we absolutely have to have a wiki
- but given the power of a social networking site link Ning - but it's
opacity behind Ning's commercial model - I wonder if we might want to
think about a higher order of a site management tool like Drupal. It
has some potent capabilities - you can even create custom objects that
would be easily editable by the community (such as an event, a
training, an actual Open Space, a whatever). It includes the ability
to let people register. We could plug in CiviCRM and make it easier
for people to become members of OSI-USA, and to contribute to the
cause.
It definitely will take some set up time and design, but in the long
run I think we'd be better off than depending on Ning to be flexible
where we need flexibility as the community evolves - and of course -
the community would have full control of it's data.
- but given the power of a social networking site link Ning - but it's
opacity behind Ning's commercial model - I wonder if we might want to
think about a higher order of a site management tool like Drupal. It
has some potent capabilities - you can even create custom objects that
would be easily editable by the community (such as an event, a
training, an actual Open Space, a whatever). It includes the ability
to let people register. We could plug in CiviCRM and make it easier
for people to become members of OSI-USA, and to contribute to the
cause.
It definitely will take some set up time and design, but in the long
run I think we'd be better off than depending on Ning to be flexible
where we need flexibility as the community evolves - and of course -
the community would have full control of it's data.
Kaliya *
Nov 19, 2009, 5:05:55 PM11/19/09
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Harold <har...@shinsato.com> wrote:
I know how to use wiki's, and I know we absolutely have to have a wiki
- but given the power of a social networking site link Ning - but it's
opacity behind Ning's commercial model - I wonder if we might want to
think about a higher order of a site management tool like Drupal. It
has some potent capabilities - you can even create custom objects that
would be easily editable by the community (such as an event, a
training, an actual Open Space, a whatever). It includes the ability
to let people register. We could plug in CiviCRM and make it easier
for people to become members of OSI-USA, and to contribute to the
cause.
That is a good point.
Yes we could have CiviCRM and make it easier to join/contribute.
It definitely will take some set up time and design, but in the long
run I think we'd be better off than depending on Ning to be flexible
where we need flexibility as the community evolves - and of course -
the community would have full control of it's data.
I am so not "sold on drupal" mainly super bitter from being involved in drupal community for 18months about 4 years ago.
Everyone is like "it is different now" still not convinced.
They also don't have pretty URLs.
I would rather go wordpress/wiki path - cause I know those are both maintainable and will have healthy good communities (not convinced by drupal community).
Wordpress does have BuddyPress.
-Kaliya
Harold
Nov 19, 2009, 5:41:08 PM11/19/09
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Do you remember Andy Laken? He's a big drupal advocate in Montana -
and he says he remembers you - I didn't know you were involved in the
drupal community. There seems to be a way to get clean URL's with
drupal, so that's not necessarily a blocker: http://drupal.org/node/15365.
Wordpress is a good system - though it's not either/or. In any case,
starting with Wordpress/MediaWiki is certainly workable. Though I hope
there might be an opening for playing with with drupal if there's
community interest in it. Maybe the big question is if we can get more
folks into this conversation.
and he says he remembers you - I didn't know you were involved in the
drupal community. There seems to be a way to get clean URL's with
drupal, so that's not necessarily a blocker: http://drupal.org/node/15365.
Wordpress is a good system - though it's not either/or. In any case,
starting with Wordpress/MediaWiki is certainly workable. Though I hope
there might be an opening for playing with with drupal if there's
community interest in it. Maybe the big question is if we can get more
folks into this conversation.
Kaliya *
Nov 19, 2009, 5:48:35 PM11/19/09
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So this is what I have heard about doing drupal.
"If you have a full time web master/developer person it is a good platform choice.
If you don't have that then it is really not worth the hassle."
It costs many thousands of dollars to customize too.
So unless there is someone in this community who wants to give a lot of money/time to doing Drupal I am not sure it is feasable.
I think people in the OST list are/were scared of me.
I don't think they are used to conflict but at least finally things are clear and out in the Open re: Micheal the site and his intentions/control.
That would not have happened if I didn't speak up and stay persistent.
-Kaliya
"If you have a full time web master/developer person it is a good platform choice.
If you don't have that then it is really not worth the hassle."
It costs many thousands of dollars to customize too.
So unless there is someone in this community who wants to give a lot of money/time to doing Drupal I am not sure it is feasable.
I think people in the OST list are/were scared of me.
I don't think they are used to conflict but at least finally things are clear and out in the Open re: Micheal the site and his intentions/control.
That would not have happened if I didn't speak up and stay persistent.
-Kaliya
Harold Shinsato
Nov 19, 2009, 6:30:50 PM11/19/09
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I'm glad to have it out in the open too - though I'm not convinced
there's enough of a constituency to support a successful effort to
unseat openspaceworld.net. I'm a little disappointed there was
impatience in continuing that particular dialog - though I do understand
it. It's hard to do the two-feet thing in OSList - one of it's clear
limitations - you're either in a 600+ circle - or out of it. Well, we
can have our session here and bring back the results - though I hope
more folks show up. It would be most cool if Michael Herman could be
here. This conflict would be best if it could be played out in dialog -
rather than in time consuming google page rank wars. But who knows -
that could increase the number of people looking into Open Space several
fold to have an open controversy like this going on.
there's enough of a constituency to support a successful effort to
unseat openspaceworld.net. I'm a little disappointed there was
impatience in continuing that particular dialog - though I do understand
it. It's hard to do the two-feet thing in OSList - one of it's clear
limitations - you're either in a 600+ circle - or out of it. Well, we
can have our session here and bring back the results - though I hope
more folks show up. It would be most cool if Michael Herman could be
here. This conflict would be best if it could be played out in dialog -
rather than in time consuming google page rank wars. But who knows -
that could increase the number of people looking into Open Space several
fold to have an open controversy like this going on.
Harold
Kaliya *
Nov 19, 2009, 7:30:30 PM11/19/09
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I don't really care if there is "a movement" or not.
I want a page that is GOOD and gets lots of link love cause his site is TERRIBLE.
It makes me ashamed to be the community of practitioners.
All Micheal had to do was cool...."I want to use open collaborative tools". He doesn't at least not on his site.
-Kaliya
I want a page that is GOOD and gets lots of link love cause his site is TERRIBLE.
It makes me ashamed to be the community of practitioners.
All Micheal had to do was cool...."I want to use open collaborative tools". He doesn't at least not on his site.
-Kaliya
christine Koehler
Nov 20, 2009, 3:24:37 AM11/20/09
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Hi, I am Christine from Paris,
Reading this discussion I realize that I am not someone who can help.
Maybe only in giving the voice of someone who wants things to be open
source but easy to use/control to non-techies ( and not being trapped
in the hands of someone/of a specific group, and going back into what
you Kaliha have been fighting for ;-) )
If this can help, I am offering it.
Otherwise I am interested in learning more by reading your
discussions.
Christine
Reading this discussion I realize that I am not someone who can help.
Maybe only in giving the voice of someone who wants things to be open
source but easy to use/control to non-techies ( and not being trapped
in the hands of someone/of a specific group, and going back into what
you Kaliha have been fighting for ;-) )
If this can help, I am offering it.
Otherwise I am interested in learning more by reading your
discussions.
Christine
Harold
Nov 20, 2009, 5:08:08 AM11/20/09
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Bien Venue Christine!
It's good for there to be more than just Kaliya and I here, even if
you don't feel you can participate in the drupal/wordpress debate.
Harold
On Nov 20, 1:24 am, christine Koehler <chris.alice.koeh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It's good for there to be more than just Kaliya and I here, even if
you don't feel you can participate in the drupal/wordpress debate.
Harold
On Nov 20, 1:24 am, christine Koehler <chris.alice.koeh...@gmail.com>
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