foot routing, Berlin Oberbaumbrucke

[Niels Elgaard]

routing for foot from Oberbaumbrucke in Berling to Schlesische Straße, Osmand finds the longer route along Oberbaumstrasse instead of Falckensteinstraße.

OSRM works as expected

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_foot&route=52.50087%2C13.44474%3B52.49986%2C13.44433#map=19/52.50036/13.44433

And Osmand/bicycle works.

This is Osmand 3.5.3 on Samsung S5

fresh offline maps 2019-11-01

[A Thompson]

I can replicate this (OsmAnd 3.5.5, latest map). It happens even if "Use elevation data" is OFF and "fastest route" is ON. This is a complicated area in OSM, but keepright isn't reporting problems on the desired route.

This is no direct help, but may stimulate someone wiser...

[Gauner]

I could add dozens of these examples.

For instance:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_foot&route=52.48468%2C13.35964%3B52.48298%2C13.35787#map=18/52.48383/13.35875&layers=N

routes fine.

Osmand:

and then, starting point moved some meters:

...fine as well

And, what's more: The first part of the route is even the same. So, the starting point makes a change only in the LATTER part of the route. How is this possible?

I observed this behaviour only since some weeks. Osmand Routing is almost unusable now, far worse than Google Maps routing, which used to be worse than Osmand before.

[Pertti Lehtinen]

I don't really know but I have an assumption.

There are altering tag values along the route. One of the route is all [Surface=asphalt] and the other is with altering surface. One path section of the route is [Surface=compacted].

My assumption is that OsmAnd looks and analyzes the starting point.  If starting point is "asphalt" OsmAnd willingly selects all the way asphalt surface route but foot (OSRM) will choice the shortest route and does not pay any attention of the starting point tag values. 

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[Gauner]

Thanks for the assumption. But both examples were made with "foot". And in the original routing.xml https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml I cannot find a hint for this behaviour (that a starting point has an influence on the routing type or speed or penalties).

[Gauner]

Another example of the new stupidiness of osmand: This time both starting streets have the same surface:asphalt.First Example is highway=residential, second highway=service.

Starting Point 1:

Starting Point 2:

[Harry van der Wolf]

Hi,

You have given a lot of examples, which is good and is proof that it is reproducible and not som OSM error.

However, this mailinglist is a "users helping users" mailing list. The developers hardly look at this list.

Please file an issue for this at https://github.com/osmandapp/Osmand/issues

Then it will get the developers attention.

Best,

Harry

Op zo 1 dec. 2019 om 11:22 schreef Gauner <gau...@gmail.com>:

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[Gauner]

Now, another example, where the routing doesn't depend on the starting point, but on the destination point. And not even really on the point itself, but on the fact, whether it is directly set on a street or forced to be on the street:

destination directly on the street, expected behaviour:

destination beside the street: weird routing:

In general, all this makes osmand routing useless. I never can rely on getting the shortest route, which is what I want. It so sad, as it used to work fine. Hoipefully, someone looks at it and has a solution.

I tried to work with a routing.xml, put into the subfolder "routing" where my maps reside, but it seems not to be regarded by Osmand. Any help here?

Btw.: It's the current version OsmAnd+ 3.5.5.

[Gauner]

Thanks for the hint, I'll do that.

[Gauner]

Btw., it's here:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_foot&route=52.50605%2C13.39908%3B52.50680%2C13.39892#map=19/52.50655/13.39921&layers=N

[Gauner]

Here's the link:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_foot&route=52.50573%2C13.40100%3B52.50358%2C13.41022#map=17/52.50487/13.40561&layers=N

(This time, OSRM also does something unexpected in the latter part of the route)

[Jonathan Fasman]

I’ve sent 5 emails to stop these emails, got at least 50 more. How can I make it stop?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Gauner <gau...@gmail.com> wrote:



Now, another example, where the routing doesn't depend on the starting point, but on the destination point. And not even really on the point itself, but on the fact, whether it is directly set on a street or forced to be on the street:

destination directly on the street, expected behaviour:

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destination beside the street: weird routing:

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In general, all this makes osmand routing useless. I never can rely on getting the shortest route, which is what I want. It so sad, as it used to work fine. Hoipefully, someone looks at it and has a solution.

I tried to work with a routing.xml, put into the subfolder "routing" where my maps reside, but it seems not to be regarded by Osmand. Any help here?

Btw.: It's the current version OsmAnd+ 3.5.5.

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[Gauner]

leave the group, should be on the menu in the upper right.

[Harry van der Wolf]

I understand what he means.

I also receive all your mails twice, apart from this last one.

Op zo 1 dec. 2019 om 12:40 schreef Gauner <gau...@gmail.com>:

leave the group, should be on the menu in the upper right.

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[Jonathan Fasman]

As I said I sent 5 emails already 

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On Dec 1, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Gauner <gau...@gmail.com> wrote:



leave the group, should be on the menu in the upper right.

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[Gauner]

Yes, but you did not mention, whether You tried the appropriate way, which is leaving/unsubscribing the group, not sending Emails. So, i suppose you already tried the way I suggested?

[Jonathan Fasman]

Below your reply and all emails it says: 

“To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to osmand+un...@googlegroups.com.”
If following the instructions is inappropriate perhaps someone could politely inform me on a procedure that might work.

Yours truly, Jonathan 

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On Dec 1, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Gauner <gau...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, but you did not mention, whether You tried the appropriate way, which is leaving/unsubscribing the group, not sending Emails. So, i suppose you already tried the way I suggested?

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[Pere Pujal i Carabantes]

El 2 de desembre de 2019 23:26:02 CET, Jonathan Fasman <jungl...@gmail.com> ha escrit:
>Below your reply and all emails it says:
>“To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>an email to osmand+un...@googlegroups.com.”
>If following the instructions is inappropriate perhaps someone could
>politely inform me on a procedure that might work.
>

Emailing to osmand+un...@googlegroups.com should work as far as the email you use is the same email that is suscribed, it could take some time to propagate the changes inside google servers, I don't know...

An alternative way is to login into your groups.google.com account(the one that is receiving mails), go to the settings of your suscribed google groups and disable email sending there.

HTH
Pere

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[Gauner]

Ok, sorry, so both ways seem appropriate, my fault.

Did You try the other suggested way by logging in and disabling the emails or leaving the group?

Am Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2019 00:03:34 UTC+1 schrieb Pere Pujal i Carabantes:

El 2 de desembre de 2019 23:26:02 CET, Jonathan Fasman <jungl...@gmail.com> ha escrit:
>Below your reply and all emails it says:
>“To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

>an email to osmand+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.”

>If following the instructions is inappropriate perhaps someone could
>politely inform me on a procedure that might work.
>

Emailing to osm...@googlegroups.com should work as far as the email you use is the same email that is suscribed, it could take some time to propagate the changes inside google servers, I don't know...