How can I search for parking spaces for disabled people?

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Dear all,

I've tried to understand how to search in OSMand for parking spaces for disabled people, but without success.

Using custom filters I can see how to select parking areas containing spaces for disabled (amenity=parking + capacity:disabled=*), but I'm not able to find a way to select single parking places designated for disabled people (amenity=parking_space + disabled=yes/designated or other similar combinations).

Could you please suggest a way to do that or suggest some resource to understand how to cutomize in this sense the filters?

Thank you very much,

Ale

[Bart Eisenberg]

I don't see how to do it in OsmAnd. But then, I also don't see how to mark out specific disabled-reserved parking spaces in OpenStreetMap, itself.     

[Xavier]

On Sun, Jun 02, 2019 at 11:44:56AM -0700, Bart Eisenberg wrote:
>On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 4:36:02 PM UTC-7, Alessandro Sarretta wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>> I've tried to understand how to search in OSMand for parking spaces
>> for disabled people, but without success.

>I don't see how to do it in OsmAnd. But then, I also don't see how to
>mark out specific disabled-reserved parking spaces in OpenStreetMap,
>itself.

Mark the parking spaces as per the amenity=parking_space page here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking_space

Then, on the individual spaces reserved for disabled (or other uses)
add the proper access tags from here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking#General_tags

[Bart Eisenberg]

Thanks!  Did "access:disabled=*" ever get beyond a proposed feature on OSM? Is there a way to tell how widely used the tag is? There's also "disabled=*" but its use is minimal. 

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[Xavier]

On Sun, Jun 02, 2019 at 12:24:53PM -0700, Bart Eisenberg wrote:
>
>On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:02:41 PM UTC-7, Xavier wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 02, 2019 at 11:44:56AM -0700, Bart Eisenberg wrote:
>> >On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 4:36:02 PM UTC-7, Alessandro Sarretta wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >> I've tried to understand how to search in OSMand for parking spaces
>> >> for disabled people, but without success.
>>
>> >I don't see how to do it in OsmAnd. But then, I also don't see how to
>> >mark out specific disabled-reserved parking spaces in OpenStreetMap,
>> >itself.
>>
>> Mark the parking spaces as per the amenity=parking_space page here:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking_space
>>
>> Then, on the individual spaces reserved for disabled (or other uses)
>> add the proper access tags from here:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking#General_tags

>Thanks! Did "access:disabled
><https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access>=*" ever get beyond a
>proposed feature on OSM?

Given the extensive documentation and 7.3M usage indicated here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
I'd say the answer is likely to be "yes".

>Is there a way to tell how widely used the tag is? There's also
>"disabled=*" but its use is minimal.

Taginfo (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=access%3Adisabled)

Indicates 2,610 uses, so not a lot of usage.

[Bart Eisenberg]

Not much usage indeed.  So I guess the answer to the original question is--even if OsmAnd supported the tag, there's not enough data to be useful.

[Xavier]

>Not much usage indeed. So I guess the answer to the original question
>is--even if OsmAnd supported the tag, there's not enough data to be
>useful.

Not yet at least. But if OsmAnd did support the tag, might that give
some incentive towards maybe expanding the usage?

[Peter B]

OsmAnd uses capacity:disabled= <number>, example capacity:disabled=1
It is possible to create a user defined search with that:
In filters check "Dedicated places for disabled".
If works!
Of course you need the tagging in the data. I did not test other taggings with disabled tags.
Peter

[Xavier]

This tag has much more usage:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=capacity%3Adisabled

67,328 uses.

Of course, there are likely a lot more untagged items awaiting someone
to add them to OSM.

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Hi there and thanks to all for the interactions.

The tag capacity:disabled=<number> is referred mainly to amenity=parking, and not to amenity=parking_space.

So it describes the number of disabled parking spaces inside a car parking, but not the specific parking space.

The use case I'm looking for is to help disabled people to reach exactly the space for them where to park, so that they can also plan which path (throught sidewalks that have e.g. a lowered kerb) to use to reach their destination.

My use case is very specific, but the question is more general:

"is it possible, in OSMand, to build a filter customizing the query, independently from the predefined ones? Or how can add a specific custom filter?".

Another example could be filtering all sidewalks with a paved surface, i.e. with a query similar to "highway=footway AND footway=sidewalks AND surface=asphalt".

Thanks for any hint,

Ale

[Xavier]

On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 02:52:00PM +0200, Alessandro Sarretta wrote:
>Hi there and thanks to all for the interactions.
>
>On 03/06/19 08:59, Peter B wrote:
>>OsmAnd uses capacity:disabled= <number>, example capacity:disabled=1
>>It is possible to create a user defined search with that:
>>In filters check "Dedicated places for disabled".
>>If works!
>>Of course you need the tagging in the data. I did not test other taggings with disabled tags.
>>Peter
>
>The tag capacity:disabled=<number> is referred mainly to
>amenity=parking, and not to amenity=parking_space.
>
>So it describes the number of disabled parking spaces inside a car
>parking, but not the specific parking space.
>
>The use case I'm looking for is to help disabled people to reach
>exactly the space for them where to park, so that they can also plan
>which path (throught sidewalks that have e.g. a lowered kerb) to use
>to reach their destination.

This use, while excellent, is *very* dependent upon OSM mappers not
simply drawing a large area around the permiter of a parking lot but
instead upon them mapping each individual parking space.

Checking taginfo for amenity:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity#values

One finds 3,112,918 uses of amenity=parking (most of which are on an
area, i.e., most likely the outer permiter of the whole lot) but only
222,624 uses of amenity=parking_space.

Since it stands to reason that most amenity=parking areas will contain
plural parking spaces, this means that there are a huge number of
unmapped parking spaces in the real world. Until someone draws the
individual parking spaces in OSM, there will be, sadly, no way to route
an individual directly to the particular location of a disabled parking
space within a larger lot when the particular space is as yet unmapped.

You might consider a MapRoulette (https://maproulette.org/) challenge
to encourage mapping of both parking spaces and further of the tags
that define individual disabled parking spaces.

[Bart Eisenberg]

>"is it possible, in OSMand, to build a filter customizing the query, independently from the predefined ones? Or how can add a specific custom filter?".

As far as I know, the answer is no. The predefined settings within the query button are as specific as OsmAnd gets.  

>Another example could be filtering all sidewalks with a paved surface, i.e. with a query similar to "highway=footway AND footway=sidewalks AND surface=asphalt".

The OSM feature "highway=*" is more problematic still in that OsmAnd doesn't recognize roads, footways, etc as categories within its search function.

Over at the OSM wiki, some of the thinking regarding this issue can be found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disabilities

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Thanx Xavier,

On 03/06/19 15:20, 'Xavier' via Osmand wrote:
> Since it stands to reason that most amenity=parking areas will contain
> plural parking spaces, this means that there are a huge number of
> unmapped parking spaces in the real world.  Until someone draws the
> individual parking spaces in OSM, there will be, sadly, no way to
> route an individual directly to the particular location of a disabled
> parking space within a larger lot when the particular space is as yet
> unmapped.

I'm not planning to map all the parking spaces in the world, but I'm
planning to map all disabled parking spaces in my town, and this would
be enough to have a good test case :-)

Ale

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Thank you Bart,

On 03/06/19 20:05, Bart Eisenberg wrote:

>"is it possible, in OSMand, to build a filter customizing the query, independently from the predefined ones? Or how can add a specific custom filter?".

As far as I know, the answer is no. The predefined settings within the query button are as specific as OsmAnd gets.  

>Another example could be filtering all sidewalks with a paved surface, i.e. with a query similar to "highway=footway AND footway=sidewalks AND surface=asphalt".

The OSM feature "highway=*" is more problematic still in that OsmAnd doesn't recognize roads, footways, etc as categories within its search function.

I was thinking to try and understand how to build more specific queries (maybe contributing to the code?), similarly to what one can do in http://overpass-turbo.eu/, but from what you're saying probably it isn't so easy...

Ale

[ra]

I need to repeat my question: I receive many emails from this group per day - how is it possible to reduce this to once a day or so?

[Xavier]

And, if one person in each town did so, for disabled parking spaces in
their town, the level of coverage would shoot up quite a bit.

OSM is, after all, mostly a volunteer project. While some are paid to
map things, most simply map items that are missing and that are
important to them to map.

Any addition, no matter how small, helps everyone else who is using the
data.

[Alessandro Sarretta]

On 03/06/19 22:56, 'ra' via Osmand wrote:
> I need to repeat my question: I receive many emails from this group
> per day - how is it possible to reduce this to once a day or so?

Go to the group page https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/osmand,
click on "My settings" (second last icon on the right), then first
option "Membership and e-mail settings" and choose your preferred "Email
delivery preference".

Best,

Ale