FR: New routing mode - "Motorcycles"

[C K]

Hi there -

I am a rather new user of OSMAND. But I like it. It's imho far the best navigation app in open source.

Well some features are very cool, others do have room for improvement eg. GPX routes import and re-routing.

Another feature I would be very happy to see is a new routing mode option besides car, bicycle and pedestrian is _motorcycle_. I am sure as this option is very welcome in commercial navigation devices you could easily expand your number of user with this option.

I have no idea how this is done in other systems or whether osm does have a tag for this. One possible solution could be to calculate the number of change of directions outside city limits per air distance kilometer - so you will a get a high number of direction changes on curvy roads and a low number on straight (aka boring) roads. Also motorcyclist love not to drive on major roads. Also motorcyclist do not like street crossings :)

This could be combined, if already used, with the idea of scenic roads like on regular maps. Mostly these roads are also loved by motorcyclists.

What are your thoughts?

Cheers and thanks
Chris

[S.by]

I have also thought about this ... long time ago ... this is indeed a missing link ... to a major audience ... but i didn't suggested it because i am not sure which routing will it provide ?

Routing in dirt roads/paths and regular roads ? that's just what "car" routing is now .

The fact is that there are 2 major motorcycles types : 1 ) road bikes   2) dirt bikes 

The last category "dirt bikes" also has sub categories ... bike that can't go on paved roads (motorcross) and bikes that meant for dirt roads only but can go on paved roads also .  

Well the first one .. hence "road bikes"  "car"  is covered already by "car" profile.

The car profile today has a "wheal" icon which represents paved roads ...

About the bicycle profile ... well maybe this profile category fits "dirt (only) bikes"  (motocross)  .. But creating an icon that contain bike and a motocross motorcycle in the same icon is very hard . 

     

[C K]

I did not think about dirt bikes.
Routing would not lead to any tracks in Central Europe because all dirt roads are either private property or banned driving for all vehicles but farm vehicles.

Car routing is not the same as motorcycle routing.
With car routing the route is either optimized to shortest  time or shortest distance. Motorcycling routes should be optimized to a more qualitative factor like "The route is the reward"...

I've read that the TomTom Riders Series is equipped with such an algorithm. But I never had the chance to try it nor do I have any clue how they implemented it.

Usually when you do offroading you do not use roads in a commons sense - it's more comparable to hiking - with a bike though :)

Any further ideas?
Suggestions?

Cheers
Chris

[C K]

bump

looking for interested people
and ideas

cheers
christ

[Krzysztof Poland]

Hello

I'm searching OsmAnd threads about off-road navigation. I use OsmAnd to navigate off-road mainly.

In my country many rural roads as well as roads connecting villages are unpaved so they are the best for dirt-bikes.

In the current version (1.6.5) of osmand there is a feature called "prefer highways". This can be used with the "shortest" or "fastest" road.

If along with "prefer highways",  "prefer unpaved roads" will be added, using it together with "shortest" should be very useful for off-road navigation.

I'm wondering if it is possible to invert attributes used to evaluate roads between highways (mainroads) and unpaved roads and use the same routing algorithm.

Moreover, during real off-roads where there are no roads, there should be a feature like "way-point to way-point" navigation. In old garmin devices it was very useful. Maybe GPX navigation works like it, but I've never used it.

If you are aware of a thread which better suits the matter and which more considerably affects the implementation of new features into osmand, please, post a link here. We could further discuss the issue there.

Cheers

Krzysztof

[Harry van der Wolf]

The routing is determined by the routing.xml. See: https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml

It shouldn't be too hard to modify this one and make one yourself which you can put inside your OsmAnd folder on your phone.

Note though that the routing.xml in your OsmAnd folder will ALWAYS be used, also when you are in your car and certainly don't want to go over unpaved roads.

The best would be to have another mode next to browse/car/cycling/hiking but your request is a very specific request and we already had requests for "normal" motorcycle routes (nice roads for motors). And also for trucks/campers/caravans.

The best, I think, would be a "custom mode" in which you can adapt all priority/routing settings to change the default routing.

Given the current OsmAnd priorities creating a huge workload on the programmer already, spending so much free time on OsmAnd, I think this will take some time :)

And with regard to your "way-point to way-point" navigation: It has been asked before. But again: There is (normally) only one (gifted) programmer working on Osmand only being able to do as much as time and motivation allows. And that is already a lot.

Harry

2013/11/11 Krzysztof Poland <k2extr...@gmail.com>

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[Krzysztof Poland]

Correct me if I misunderstand you. If you can, point me to documentation of this feature (routing).

1. This file overwrites and controls embedded default routing parameters in osmand.
2. It looks like both the current and the new routing engines are controlled with this file.
3. The existence of this file in osmand directory overwrites (or controls) any routing parameters including those in the osmand menu.
4. Selecting routing profile (car/bicycle/pedestrian), the osmand routing engine uses only parameters defined in routing.xml file.

Concluding, if I leave car profile params unchanged, and tune bicycle profile parameters to my unpaved road motorcycle riding preferences, osmand will do routing for car like it has done so far, while by selecting "bicycle" profile I will get routing by unpaved roads and paths.

It bases on assumption that the published "routing.xml" file reflects default routing parameters for all profiles embedded in the current version of osmand.

Am I right?

Krzysztof

[Harry van der Wolf]

2013/11/13 Krzysztof Poland <k2extr...@gmail.com>

Correct me if I misunderstand you. If you can, point me to documentation of this feature (routing).

Unfortunately there isn't.
 

1. This file overwrites and controls embedded default routing parameters in osmand.
2. It looks like both the current and the new routing engines are controlled with this file.
3. The existence of this file in osmand directory overwrites (or controls) any routing parameters including those in the osmand menu.
4. Selecting routing profile (car/bicycle/pedestrian), the osmand routing engine uses only parameters defined in routing.xml file.

Concluding, if I leave car profile params unchanged, and tune bicycle profile parameters to my unpaved road motorcycle riding preferences, osmand will do routing for car like it has done so far, while by selecting "bicycle" profile I will get routing by unpaved roads and paths.

Yes, that's correct.

 

It bases on assumption that the published "routing.xml" file reflects default routing parameters for all profiles embedded in the current version of osmand.

Yes, that's again correct.

 

Am I right?

Krzysztof

So if you do it like that you have your unpaved motor routing indeed under the bicycle AppMode.

Harry

[RRoel]

Hi Krzystof,

It's and old topic but I  would be interested in whether you succeeded in modifying the routing.xml file as you wanted. Looking to do the same for Netherlands, which unfortunately contains very few unpaved roads.

Cheers,

Roel