Speed control and radar warning

[Stephan75]

With the brandnew edition of Osmand 0.8.1 I was even able to test the
speed warning if you are driving faster than the maxspeed-tagging at
the ways.

But you have to be faster then allowed to see the sign with the red
circle at all.

Is it possible to implement several switches to that speed control
feature?

Like:

1. switch the speed warnings sign on or off at all

2. give a value in percent that the real speed has to be faster bevore
a warning is shown, like 10% or 20% or an absolute value in km/h

3. Give the possibility to play an acoustic signal when you are fatser
than maxspeed

4. Always show the maxspeed value with the traffic sign even when you
are not faster than allowed. Thus you can see streets where maxspeed
is still missing.


And I passed the only one speed control radar camera in my area that
is included in the OSM data. But I had no announce of it ... of course
I was driving not faster than allowed.
Is a speed camera only announced when you are faster than allowed?

Greets, Stephan

[Victor Shcherb]

1. No voice indication now.

2. I think these settings are too complicated for end user. I doubt if this could generally applied.

Victor

2012/7/16 Stephan75 <der.steph...@googlemail.com>

[Hardy]

So how aboutg the speed cam warning? I suggest it should always show, regardless of speed.

 

About always showing the speed limit: It would in deed be a good feature to always show it, particularly for OSM mappers. In order to avoid additional settings, maybe we could show the speed limit sign with a green ring, if you are not exceeding it, and with a red ring (as it is now) when you are exceeding the limit?

 

Not sure if this is a good idea, please comment!

 

On Monday, July 16, 2012 10:01:05 PM UTC+2, Victor wrote:

1. No voice indication now.

2. I think these settings are too complicated for end user. I doubt if this could generally applied.

Victor

2012/7/16 Stephan75 <der.stephan.stephan>

[Victor Shcherb]

Yes, I agree we always show it and priority number 1 if it is selected in settings. I will introduced it (so you can deselect toll roads, speed cameras).

Others sound quite difficult let's wait and test it a bit more :)

Hardy : about voice alarm, I'm coming back to 'Beep' we can introduce different sounds for all alarms but we can stay only with beep. But definitely we need voice alarms for speed limit (configurable), cameras (configurable if it is shown), traffic_bumps (configurable?).

Victor

2012/7/16 Hardy <hm.gg...@gmail.com>

[Petr Kulhavý]

Hi

I absolutely agree that speed cameras should be displayed regardless on the driving speed. Otherwise it doesn't have to be displayed at all - you see the flash that you're exceeding the limit.

I'd simply show it in a warning triangle rather than circle, as soon as a camera is ahead. Please consider a big enough distance, some of them face towards the car.

Petr

Hardy <hm.gg...@gmail.com>napsal/a:

[Malkavi]

Hello,

In my opinion, usually, people does not drive looking at the gps, the best solution would be a beep or an alarm, not only the visual warning. And maybe and option to enable the warning regardless of the speed.

Sorry for my english and thanks for all your work.

[sympa]

Radar warnings are forbidden to have in France. Having them (not even using them, just having them available even if it is switched off in the software or the device is switched off) can lead to a 1500 euro fine.

I think the best solution is either not give the alerts in France, or generate maps for France by default without the cameras.

[Yves]

This should at lest be a setting.
Not that I care much, but showing radars could be forbidden by some nationals laws.
Yves

"Petr Kulhavý" <br...@jikos.cz> a écrit :

[Pavol Zibrita]

We can mask it as ... something else, like, you are approaching chilli burger :-)

p.

[Petr Kulhavy]

I actually noticed that if there is a change like the speed limit
appearing in the peripheral sight I notice it even without an acoustic
warning. But of course voice notification would be even better.

Petr

[sympa]

We can mask it as ... something else, like, you are approaching chilli burger :-)

I'm sorry, but this is not a solution. A 1500 euro fine is not nice, and the program and hiding of it may be known by cops at a certain date.

I can imagine a separate POI layer that contains the speed cameras for people who want to use them, a bit like the elevation data. It also makes the camera data easier to update, without updating all the maps.

For me at the moment, Osmand is about hiking: it excels at that. For car navigation I (still) prefer other software. For now I will going through france with no maps for France in Osmand. Such is life.

[Pavol Zibrita]

Hi, it was more a joke than a real suggestion :-). Probably we could really remove such info from maps where it is illegal in that country.

Is that 1500 fine bound to France maps, or you can't have info about any radar in any country? (One never knows)

Best regards,

Pavol

[sympa]

As far as I know, the 1500 euro is for having radar data about France only. Switzerland and Germany have the same, but maybe in those countries disabling the feature or not using the program is enough.

I would be very grateful for removing the radar data from the France maps: I love Osmand to much!

[Yves]

What about a bid for fix-like fund to mutualize the fine risk? :)
Technically, I'm not sure these laws are really enforced.

sympa <echte...@gmail.com> a écrit :

[Victor Shcherb]

The discussion about France is quite strange. In Android there are tons application of Radar application and they all can be installed. Which means if you have Android, then you can get fine anyway. I even think it will be very hard to prove that you have radars switched off only for FRANCE.

That will be definitely an option to swtich on/off.  

Victor

2012/7/17 Yves <yve...@gmail.com>

[Jindřich Makovička]

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Yves <yve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What about a bid for fix-like fund to mutualize the fine risk? :)

The laws usually deal with that, and such efforts to mitigate the
punishment are considered a criminal offence.

> Technically, I'm not sure these laws are really enforced.

It depends on the motivation. As long as the cops get bonuses for
catching enough "wrongdoers", they will go great lengths to catch them
:) Here in Czech Republic, setting up speed traps to improve municipal
budgets became commonplace.

>
> sympa <echte...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>> Radar warnings are forbidden to have in France. Having them (not even
>> using them, just having them available even if it is switched off in the
>> software or the device is switched off) can lead to a 1500 euro fine.
>>
>> I think the best solution is either not give the alerts in France, or
>> generate maps for France by default without the cameras.

--
Jindřich Makovička

[sympa]

What about a bid for fix-like fund to mutualize the fine risk? :)
Technically, I'm not sure these laws are really enforced.

I wouldn't be so sure of that for France. And they even confiscate the device. In any case, having the radar coordinates separate from the maps means freedom for everyone. And as far as I understand, it is about having the feature installed, not that it could be installed somehow.

I'm not going to take the risk. And with government finances what they are, I would not be so sure that laws are not enforced. It is not an ancient law!

[Maetma 91]

That is even worse. The law says that having a device that can show
radar information is forbidden. Technically one can be fined just for
having a smartphone in the car.

IMHO an option to disable radars display (regardless of the country
your are in) is fine enough.

2012/7/17 Victor Shcherb <victor....@gmail.com>:

[Maetma 91]

First of all thanks for the maxspeed in 0.8.1 that is something I
really missed from Navigator on my previous Windows Phone.

I'd really would like to see the following features added as I still
miss them from Navigator:

* ability to always display speed limit (very useful for mapping)
* ability to customize speed warning with both percentage and absolute
value (useful for customizing to local laws, law enforcement
tolerance, ...)
* sound signal when speeding

This can be as advanced settings, plugin, .... as long as it is there
I do not mind.

I can even help coding it if needed.

Thanks

[Sanderd17]

@sympa:

 

I heard TomTom and Garmin had some nice ideas about this one. It' not allowed to warn for speed cameras in France (although having them on the maps is allowed I believe), but it's allowed to warn for "dangerous areas". Now TomTom and Garmin classified all places with speed cams as "dangerous" (and it's true, there is a danger to get a fine).

 

In Belgium, it's even encouraged to have some radar warning thing in your car. As they aren't able to handle the amount of fines any more.

[Yves]

Maybe tgere is room for an apk plugin here?
Yves

Sanderd17 <sand...@gmail.com> a écrit :

[Gints Polis]

I wonder about french people. They like freedom so much and they allow that they cannot be informed about stuff on they streets. 

Stand up and fight :).

2012/7/17 Yves <yve...@gmail.com>

--
Ginc

[Maetma 91]

2012/7/17 Sanderd17 <sand...@gmail.com>:

> @sympa:
>
> I heard TomTom and Garmin had some nice ideas about this one. It' not
> allowed to warn for speed cameras in France (although having them on the
> maps is allowed I believe), but it's allowed to warn for "dangerous areas".
> Now TomTom and Garmin classified all places with speed cams as "dangerous"
> (and it's true, there is a danger to get a fine).

The concept of "hazardous area" is an official one. The government was
supposed to provide with a list of dangerous areas for use by
manufacturers in replacement of the speedcam warnings.

[Maetma 91]

2012/7/17 Maetma 91 <maet...@gmail.com>:

I was thinking about the speed display. When always displayed
overspeeding can be indicated by blinking the speed sign. Actually
this could be used all the time as blinking will ctach the eye
attention and indicate something is going on.