Turn by Turn was horrible

[Mo Re]

I must begin by saying I dug through the reviews and specs of a few android apps and tried to filter down to the best and this is the best imho.  Only Backcountry navigator has more map options but it is more complex and will not do turn by turn routing at all.

OsmAnd+ 2.4.7 android, navigation set to car and offline vector maps loaded of 2 states I was traveling.

So I began a motorcycle trip yesterday morning by navigating to a gpx track I had imported.  See attached.  When I got close it started sending me around in circles?....one way then the next...it was soo strange....then it said "in 1 mile make a u-turn" when I could have done it right there as I was on a 20' wide gravel road???...then I ended up turning of turn by turn and following the dot to the the track line which was not precise and had be backtracking a few times for mised turns.

1.  Is this just the fact that the gps track is using many dirt roads and not paved?

2.  Is osmand just not good with turn by turn routing to an imported gpx track?

3.  Is there other software, plugins or modes that can do this better???...I can live without the voice guidance if the display is correct in showing at least a rough estimate of how far to next turn and turn direction?

4.  Is there anywhere that explains the other navigation services, ie YOURS, OSRM, Straight Line and if they are useful and work offline?

tia,

[Mo Re]

here is the track 

[Poutnik]

Be aware that the application native navigation
very differs from navigationg along the GPX route in OSMAnd ( and in the most GPX aware navigations as well ).

The former is calulated by the application, using vector map data,
so the app is ware of road classes and conditions.
Therefore navigation hints make much sense wrt the road network.

The latter puts the nav. application  ( more or less )
into a rather dummy point2point GPX route follower.

It have advantage it can be used with any map, no vector map/data has to be available.
But the same is also its main disadvantage. It uses maps, even vetor ones
rather just as a graphical beckground, having no clue about the toad network context
while following the GPX route.

For GPX, sometime is really the best to follow it visually.
As it cannot distinguish the crossroad turn left and the road curve turning left.

Have you tried to used start - set of viapoints - destination approach
of OSMAnd native navigation ?

Another option is to used BRouter to generate navigation hints
included in the BRouter generated GPX.
You can easily plane and generate the GPX on http://brouter.de/brouter-web/

YOURS and OSRM are online server based services.
Straight line is point to point, usefule rather
for free terrain hiking or offroad bikes.


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[Mo Re]

Thanks for the reply.  I understand a bit more now.

How can I test “start - set of viapoints - destination approach “ ???more info?  Is this just creating waypoints along the gpx route?…if so how would it know to keep to my gpx track and not find the fastest?

This gps track I was running was going up through ct and purposely routed on dirt roads more than paved and has nothing to do with shortest or fastest route so I must keep exactly to the gpx route.

Can Router open the gpx I have then add routing and keep exactly to the track and generate hints that might be like turn by turn visual on screen and I save this gpx and use it in osmand?  Is that the concept?…or is Brouter only good for creating a route form scratch?

I have tried garmin basemap and everything in my track are roads paved and unpaved that exist in the osmand vector maps so it’s too bad it can navigate it.

When I was forced to follow the dot visually, I had to manually scroll the screen as the track went off screen.  It would be great if it could be zoomed way in so you can really see the turns and auto center…does osmand do that or only if it’s in a navigation mode?

Not that I have the money for this but the Garmin Montana…can it do turn by turn from my gpx???…does it have better internal navigation?

tia

[Poutnik]

I mean 2 navigation approaches, with pros/cons I mentioned.
OSMAnd calculates the route between mandatory points   OR  follows the preprepared GPX route.

What

Manually created illustrative route in Bridgeport - Springfield region on BRouter-web  ( not identical to your one )
( link as Permalink in very bottom right corner )

and generated GPX with navigation hints for OSMAnd
( Downloaded from GPX link in middle left )



Dne 27/11/2016 v 22:02 Mo Re napsal(a):

[Mo Re]

Trying to understand this?

So you generated a new route using Brouter and because it was made in that program is has "hints" ie..turn ahead, direction and distance embedded in it via xml?  So this will work better as a gpx track for turn by turn than the same track made in Garmin Basecamp?

Can I open my gps files and regenerate them formBrouter to add this metadata in?

Do I need to select Brouter on OsmAnd?

also...not to divert this but in my searching today it appears Locus maps app might be better up to the task of turn by turn routing on remote area riding on unpaved roads and fire roads...because you can turn off "recalculate route" which I think is what caused me so much errors trying to get started and more importantly you can use "NeoTreks" which Locuismaps has.  I think Locusmaps also can use Brouter but not sure.

[Poutnik]

Dne 28/11/2016 v 00:39 Mo Re napsal(a):

> Trying to understand this?
>
> So you generated a new route using Brouter and because it was made in
> that program is has "hints" ie..turn ahead, direction and distance
> embedded in it via xml? So this will work better as a gpx track for
> turn by turn than the same track made in Garmin Basecamp?

Note that GPX file is a XML used for description of locations, routes
and tracks.
I do not say better, as I do not use nor know Garmin Basecamp.
BRouter is 3rd party offline routing engine, able either to provide
navigation service for OSMAnd, LocusMap or Oruxmaps,
either can generate GPX file for the route. BRouter web is its online
web frontend.
The advantage of BRouter is, that it is script(profile file) based,
so you can precisely define your preferences.
See also https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki

>
> Can I open my gps files and regenerate them formBrouter to add this
> metadata in?

No, it does not work this way. BRouer needs to be provided either by
points from OSMAnd(LocusMap, OruxMaps) favorites,
either comunicates with nav. application via API.

>
> Do I need to select Brouter on OsmAnd?

Yes, same as when you choose other navigation engine in OSMAnd.

>
>
> also...not to divert this but in my searching today it appears Locus
> maps app might be better up to the task of turn by turn routing on
> remote area riding on unpaved roads and fire roads...because you can
> turn off "recalculate route" which I think is what caused me so much
> errors trying to get started and more importantly you can use
> "NeoTreks" which Locuismaps has. I think Locusmaps also can use
> Brouter but not sure.

I did not want originally complicate things, nor explicitly prefer other
product.
But as former exclusive OSMAnd ( all purpose GPs navigation ) user,
I use now more LocusMap ( more focused on non motorized / offroad
activities )

Yes, LocusMap can use Brouter, I do so routinely.
The disadvantage is, LocusMap does not have its own offline native
navigation,
but this is for me more than sufficiently replaced by BRouter.

[Mo Re]

so would you consider in my situation needing offline routing for fire roads in remote areas would osmand with brouter be as good as locus map with brouter?

I was very impressed with locusmaps functions regarding more control of recalculate https://goo.gl/Y5XCN7

This feature alone seems like it would suit me best.

So to clarify...I can take my existing gpx track I have that I used in osmand without turn by turn because of the problems and use that same gps in locus maps with brouter as the offline navigation engine and ist "should" work better because of these modes sleections linked above???

tia

[P Wat]

Hi Mo Re
1) Brouter is a very useful app, and Poutnik is understandably a great supporter of it and source of help with it, but maybe an alternative viewpoint would also interest you.

2) Like you, I sometimes find that using a pre-constructed GPX route, in conjunction with OsmAnd, leads to unhelpful voice directions.  Even so, I find OsmAnd is one of the best in many respects, with or without Brouter, you just need to get to grips with it.

3) Possible solutions (a few, but not exhaustive):-
a) Update to the latest Osmand+.

Then
b) Use your GPX file with Osmand, but ignore the voice prompts.

or
c) Consider not using your GPX route.  Create your route direct in Osmand instead, by setting a provisional destination on the map, or to a pre-set "favourite" (in "My places").  Then add intermediate waypoints direct on the map, and/or add "subsequent destination".  Add as many as you like, then sort them into a useful sequence. Hit "Go" and follow it with or without voice instructions.  Ask for help if you are uncertain how to do this.

But first
d) Have a good look around http://www.osmand.net/ . Start in “Features”.  It has many useful instructions.  Use them in conjunction with this forum.

Let us know how you get on.
Paul W (non-expert but enthusiast)

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[Mo Re]

Hi...thanks for the reply.  These gpx files are offroad motorcycle routes through forests using fire roads and have been calculated for optimum scenery and types of riding not shortest route.  They are used by many.  Is there a way to turn off recalculate and ahhere to strict route on osmand?  This is why I am testing lucust too now for this https://goo.gl/Y5XCN7

[Lennert Bakker]

I've been using OsmAnd the same way, offroad on a motorcycle. When you create a route in basecamp you should convert it to a track. Select your route, right click and choose create track from selected route. This track, with optional waypoints can be exported as a gpx. Use that gpx and you'll be fine. I recommend you incorporate a 'Start' and a 'Finnish' waypoint in the track with a logical name. You can navigate to the start of the track and then turn on the track to drive it. This way it's fool proof. Don't make a perfect loop, start and finnish with the same coordinates.

Good luck!

Op dinsdag 29 november 2016 13:07:34 UTC+1 schreef Mo Re:

[Mo Re]

thanks for the reply.  I am not creating these.  I get them as already made gpx files and yes I was able to import the track and navigate to it but I'm not sure why the turn by turn was seriously failing giving wonky directions so I had to resort to following the line manually which required more monitoring than I would have liked. I'm glad this has worked for your rides.  Have you used a track that is mostly offroad with some paved sections, fire roads in remote areas?

Again the line and map part is fine...the errors I encountered were only in the navigation on screen and voice prompts...so this points to the navigation engine.

I do not have optional waypoints and I wonder iof that somehow helps...but I must stay on track exactly and the constant recalculation messed everything up?  Can you turn off recalculation?

[Lennert Bakker]

Ah I get it! When you navigate a track, instead of a route the directions you get have nothing to do with the roads. Osmand will show you where your direction has to change according to the track, not by looking at the road map, it ignores intersection on the map. It's complicated but I hope you understand. If you deviate from the track the app will calculate a route back to the track, then turn by turn will work as normal.

If you look at a Garmin navi with a loaded track you'll probably see no information accept the track line. You should just follow the line which will take time to get used to, just see the arrows about turns as a change in direction and not as a junction in the road. Voice prompts are useless when navigating tracks.

You can turn off follow the complete track and that will maybe help a little. An you can turn off route calculation for the fist and last part of the track. Press the compass needle and select the gear for route options.

I've been using Osmand for three years now to navigate roads, dirtroads, single tracks, in remote area's and city's. Eg the unpaved Alpine passes, smuggler routes in Spain, forest roads in The Netherlands  and gravel roads in Norway.

Op dinsdag 29 november 2016 15:05:25 UTC+1 schreef Mo Re:

[Lennert Bakker]

I meant the compass needle in the left, bottom corner (route settings), turn off "pass allong entire track" that setting will mess things up!

Op dinsdag 29 november 2016 16:19:53 UTC+1 schreef Lennert Bakker:

[Mo Re]

hmmmm...I was not aware of that setting...maybe we are on to something.  I must test this.  thanks!

[Mo Re]

Lennert...which navigation service do you use???...OSMAND offlein, or Brouter offline?

I just found those 2 menu buttons and

[Mo Re]

Poutnik...I am finally figuring out brouter with locus as I try to resollve this and understand my options.  For some reason brouter will not go to car mode oand show a 17 mile tripto take 15 hrs.  When I switch to mapquest its 22 min?  Is there a video or good way to learn brouter?

[Lennert Bakker]

I use OsmAnd, changing the track settings will only appear if you load a track, So tap the bleu thinghy in the bottom left corner, then the gear next to the start button. There you can turn off pass along etc. If you go to the normal navigation settings menu you can turn off snap to roads while navigating.

Good luck

[Mo Re]

so to clarify when you ride remote offroad you are using only osmand with offline loaded maps and the program does give you basic turn ahead symbols and distance to turn and time to destination with voice guidance pulling that info form the osmand offlline vecttor maps?

[Poutnik]

Brouter is useful as the routing real-time service
or as a GPS route generator for later use.

If used for route recalculation in case of the external GPX route
deviation, it can navigate you back to the route.

For your route itself, BRouter is inactive.
Locus will generate hints on its own,
but these hinst will be based purely on the route geometry.
If route turns 90 degree left, on crossroad or just in a curve,
the hint will say / show turn left.

Locsu has rich bunch of options, modifying its behaviour
with navigation along the preprepared route.

[Poutnik]

Another option is to recreate the route on Brouter-web,
this time with the BRouter hints for OSMAnd,
following the original route, displayed on side by side map.

[Poutnik]

And, have you told Locus to use Brouter in car mode.
What BRouter profile have you used ?
From ready to use. perhaps the moped would use the best.
Or, there can be created a customized one.

video - probably not.

But there is
a comprehensive Locus manual
http://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=main

Helpdesk ( preferred for basic help / questions / problems )
http://help.locusmap.eu/

And general forum
http://forum.locusmap.eu/

[Lennert Bakker]

I ride offroad, the remote bit is irrelevant, with Osmand. I load tracks and the directions are not pulled from the map but from the gpx-track. You can ride a track in Osmand without a map and it makes no difference, you get the same directions!!!!!

A GPX-track is just a breadcrumb trail of coordinates and a direction, your nav app (doesn't matter which one) draws a line in between the points. Your nav app sees changes in direction between on point and the other and shows and or tells the change via voice or icons. It has nothing to do with the map, that's why you use a track in stead of a route while travelling offroad because the map doesn't have a road on that section.

I do not use voice guidance, not even in my car, I read the map.

[Poutnik]

But of deriving of directions from the shape of a track have a disadvantage
it is not aware of underlating road network. If there is a 10 long winding road,
you can get dozens of direction hints without passing any crossroad/junction.

If GPX track is generated by direction aware routing service
( like BRouter Android app , BRouer-web or online MapQuest(in Locus),
directions stored in GPX ( or in internal track from MQ saved by Locus  )
are aware of road network.

Therefore you get directions only in places of course choices,
and not even at every place. E.g. If you go along tertiary road,
turning right, you will not get hint to turn right, if straight ahead is a residental road.
Unless you are to follow that residental one. In such a case you got a hint
to go straight ahead.

Sure, this does not apply in off-road scenario across free terrain,
without suitable OSM ways.

Dne 29/11/2016 v 20:47 Lennert Bakker napsal(a):

I ride offroad, the remote bit is irrelevant, with Osmand. I load tracks and the directions are not pulled from the map but from the gpx-track. You can ride a track in Osmand without a map and it makes no difference, you get the same directions!!!!!

A GPX-track is just a breadcrumb trail of coordinates and a direction, your nav app (doesn't matter which one) draws a line in between the points. Your nav app sees changes in direction between on point and the other and shows and or tells the change via voice or icons. It has nothing to do with the map, that's why you use a track in stead of a route while travelling offroad because the map doesn't have a road on that section.

I do not use voice guidance, not even in my car, I read the map.

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[Mo Re]

well I attempted to use locus with brouter today to go 14 miles in new york city but for some strange reason I could not get it in car mode even though it says car mode.  Do you have to select car mode before you download the files in brouter android?....maybe I only downloaded the walking modes because it noted 14 hrs instead of 22 min?  When changed to mapquest navigation it was correct in locus.

Time to relook at osmand.  The possibility of changing the 2 items "pass along entire track" and "calculate osmand route for first and last route segment" as noted in this thread might make osmand behave on this gps track so I reloaded osmand.

I must say osmand appears much simpler and more elegant and better maps than locus but I believe locus to be more powerful.

So correct me if I'm wrong but osmand has navigation built in to the offline vector maps but possibly not as powerful "hinting" for offroad/remote riding and if voice prompts and turn distance and direction are more important then maybe adding brouter to osmand might be the best combination for me since I'm not a power user.

Based on your last post (Poutnik) road awareness in routing provided by brouter technically must be better....so I guess that must mean better hinting and visual cues.

Unfortunately the track I had a problem with is 100 miles away but I would love to make a test trying it again but will not have the chance for a while.

[Poutnik]

On 11/29/2016 10:58 PM, Mo Re wrote:
> well I attempted to use locus with brouter today to go 14 miles in new
> york city but for some strange reason I could not get it in car mode
> even though it says car mode. Do you have to select car mode before you
> download the files in brouter android?....maybe I only downloaded the
> walking modes because it noted 14 hrs instead of 22 min? When changed
> to mapquest navigation it was correct in locus.

You should know the BRouter does not provide estimated time of arrival
(ETA). Locus calculates ETA in such a case from the average speed in
last few minutes.

Personally, I often estimate ETA by launching Brouter directly
and determining the rough ETA from the total distance (TD) and the
filtered ascend (FA). E.g for a bicycle it may be like
ETA = current time + TD[km]/20[km/h] + FA[m]/400[m/h]

There are some ideas evaluated at the Locus forum,
like estimation of "nominal time profile of the track",
based on the elevation profile, and correnting of this nominal ETA
by deviations from it. but this is not going to be implemented in near
future.

what exactly do you mean you cannot get in a car mode ?
Profiles of all modes are included in the Brouter package.
you may also want some custom profiles.
https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki

>
> Time to relook at osmand. The possibility of changing the 2 items "pass
> along entire track" and "calculate osmand route for first and last route
> segment" as noted in this thread might make osmand behave on this gps
> track so I reloaded osmand.
>
> I must say osmand appears much simpler and more elegant and better maps
> than locus but I believe locus to be more powerful.

One has often choose between simplicity and features.
Locus has some learning curve.
Locus uses MapsForge compatible maps, either its own LoMaps,
Either free one from OpenAndroMaps.

What is very important is there are multiple high quality rendering
themes, for all major transportation modes, from cars to alpine hiking.

>
> So correct me if I'm wrong but osmand has navigation built in to the
> offline vector maps but possibly not as powerful "hinting" for
> offroad/remote riding and if voice prompts and turn distance and
> direction are more important then maybe adding brouter to osmand might
> be the best combination for me since I'm not a power user.

With OSMAnd, you have 2 offline choices, native and BRouter routing.
When you get more experinced, either with OSMAnd or LocusMap,
you can choose ready to use custom BRouter routing profiles,
or create your own ones, taylored to your preferences.

[Mo Re]

well there is something going on with brouter and my phone in the sense that a 22 minute trip in mapquest changes to 9 hrs using brouter in both locus and osmand and the icon is the little racecar...ie car. 

[Poutnik]

You may want to read it once more. :-)

I have omitted previously one detail that
there there are included some fake timestamps in generated tracks
to avoid some failures in matching of trackpoint and navigation hint points.

Unless you are moving on the track, time info is fake, AFAIK.

[Mo Re]

someone wrote this in another forum regarding a similar problem:

"Maybe you already know this, but loading GPX files containing tracks is not going to result in any device giving you turn by turn instructions. The tracks are nothing more than breadcrumbs dropped on a map and the GPS has no knowledge if you're following them or not. Tracks can be converted to routes in Basecamp to get turn by turn guidance but I've never felt the need to do that even having ridden many thousands of miles with track guidance over the past couple of years.

We rode over 6,000 miles of the TAT and over 2,000 miles of my own track route from Georgia to NY - all just using tracks loaded in Garmin Zumo GPS (actually BMW Nav IV and NAV V devices). 

Anytime you introduce routing/rerouting into your guidance you run the risk of the GPS sending you somewhere other than where you precisely wanted to be. You can fix that with via points but if your track-->route conversion is for a long distance, that's going to be a lot of hassle to check it all along the way. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth it.

I thought you CAN get turn by turn on a gps track???

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:20:27 PM UTC-5, Mo Re wrote:

I must begin by saying I dug through the reviews and specs of a few android apps and tried to filter down to the best and this is the best imho.  Only Backcountry navigator has more map options but it is more complex and will not do turn by turn routing at all.

OsmAnd+ 2.4.7 android, navigation set to car and offline vector maps loaded of 2 states I was traveling.

So I began a motorcycle trip yesterday morning by navigating to a gpx track I had imported.  See attached.  When I got close it started sending me around in circles?....one way then the next...it was soo strange....then it said "in 1 mile make a u-turn" when I could have done it right there as I was on a 20' wide gravel road???...then I ended up turning of turn by turn and following the dot to the the track line which was not precise and had be backtracking a few times for mised turns.

1.  Is this just the fact that the gps track is using many dirt roads and not paved?

2.  Is osmand just not good with turn by turn routing to an imported gpx track?

3.  Is there other software, plugins or modes that can do this better???...I can live without the voice guidance if the display is correct in showing at least a rough estimate of how far to next turn and turn direction?

4.  Is there anywhere that explains the other navigation services, ie YOURS, OSRM, Straight Line and if they are useful and work offline?

tia,

[Poutnik]

You may mix the meaning of GPS and GPX.
You may also mix the meaning of GPS track and GPX track.

GPS is a device aware of GPS guidance system ( whatever of used satellite systems).
GPS is sometimes  meant as a FPS aware smartphone application, able to provide location and navigation.

GPX is XML based open text data format to store POIs (waypoints, favourites), routes and tracks.
Route = planned journey = is a list of ( usually sparse and important ) start/destination and intermediate points and info for a navigating person ,
later such a data for a GPS navigation application.
Track = record of passed journey = is a list of recorded passed positions, along with timestamps and optionally additional data like altitude or course.

GPS track is real track in sense of recorded physical movement.

GPX track MAY BE a real track in sense of recorded physical movement,
but as well it may be a route in sense of planned movement.

Many planning application providing GPX file provide a detailed route,
that is formally, according to GPX specifications, track,
but semantically and by its usage a route.

Like BRouter GPX, of GPX generated e.g. via MapQuest in Locus,
if exported from the Locus. 
( e.g. the average trackpoint distance of BRouter GPX is typically 50 m )

BTW, the MapQuest has very verbosely described
its navigation points.

So one thing is internal format of the GPS file ( track vs route )
Another thing is how it is created ( planning = route, recording  - track )


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[P Wat]

Hi Poutnik.
Good list of definitions.  Thanks.
Paul W
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[Poutnik]

Dne 03/12/2016 v 18:51 'P Wat' via Osmand napsal(a):

> So one thing is internal format of the GPS file ( track vs route )
> Another thing is how it is created ( planning = route, recording -
> track )

You can see, I mistakenly mix it as well, should be GPX. :-D

[Lennert Bakker]

Maybe you should put a bit more effort in understanding how gps, gpx, tracks and routes work before you try to find an app that does the same thing that you don't understand.

View some youtube tutorials about basecamp and creating tracks and routes. Maybe you'll understand. I always check a track for mistakes. In Basecamp I remove all strange loops and stuff. I create a start and finish waypoint so I can navigate to the beginning of a track. Route calculation can go wrong if the start and finish are close to one-other. You can work around this by getting on the beginning of the track and the turn on the navigation for the track.

If you understand the limits and advantages of navigating a track or route with via-points you might understand the options/settings of your gps app or device. If you get that you won't be surprised by weird gps behaviour and know how to fix it.

I've really used Osmand for many trips and had weird stuff happening but if you understand how it works you can do everything you want with the app.

[Peter B]

Good recommandation, could be given to a LOT of other questions in appropriate way !
Peter

[Mo Re]

I will try to learn basecamp a bit and then add the start and finish waypoint to see if that helps.  Good points thanks.

[Lennert Bakker]

Good luck! To help you get started I'll give you a few hints:
OSM maps for basecamp can be found at http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for starters just download the predefined, standard maps. So choose from the dropdown menu you should be able to download the region you want. If you want specific tiles or the new style map you'll have to wait before the map is ready for you. The system is a bit overloaded so it might take a week before your map is ready.

From within basecamp you have to export your track and waypoints to GPX. Give the start and finish waypoint a clear and unique name!

If you've got everything loaded in your phone just navigate to the start waypoint, than stop the navigation, clear/remove the destination, turn the track on and start the navigation. If you follow the line and the app wants to send you back to where you came from you probably have 'follow complete track' turned on. Or you didn't remove your previous destination.

A track can contain mistakes,sometimes the line will be next to the road or really completely off. There are a lot of gps devices which have a limited amount of trackpoints they can handle. Some people will filter the trackpoints and then the line between the points can be off.
A recorded track can contain navigation errors, cigarette breaks, even crashes (offroad). It can also contain a detour along an exiting singletrack. Blindly following a track will can get you into trouble so keep your eyes open, read the track and after a while you get used to ignoring mistakes or other weird stuff and recognise the fun bits.

It took me a while to learn how to navigate a track and offroad on a motorcycle you need to stay very focused. You're constantly reading the map/track and the terrain, ignoring mistakes, checking for intersections, sharp bends etc. But it's worth it!

Op donderdag 8 december 2016 13:38:18 UTC+1 schreef Mo Re:

[Lennert Bakker]

Oh yeah, I took a look at your track and saw why you think turn by turn was horrible. The track was cleaned and doesn't follow the osm roads. If you have "snap to roads" turned on the app will try to send you off the road because that's where the track is. In reality you might be on the track but OsmAnd puts you on the road so... Weird stuff happens.



Op donderdag 8 december 2016 14:32:11 UTC+1 schreef Lennert Bakker:

[Bart Eisenberg]

Another possibility: import the GPX to OsmAnd.  Create a navigational route to the destination *not* using that GPX.  And then alter the route using intermediate waypoints to conform to the GPX. That should provide turn-by-turn directions that more or less follow the GPX.  Of course it matters how dedicated you are to exactly following the GPX.  This assumes that the GPX is an approximation of where you want to go and and that the OSM data for the area's back roads are accurate.  

[Lennert Bakker]

I would not recommend that method for dual sport purposes. The app favours paved roads for navigation. Offroad, allroad, dual-sport and adventure riders tend to use tracks for a reason. I tried using routes for that pupose and failed. Too much frustration. I couldn't afford a garmin outdoor nav so began testing Osmand for tracks with good results.

Converting a dualsport track to a route within Osmand might mean the end of your phone cause building a route is possible but tedious and frustrating. Basecamp does a better job but still I'd prefer a crappy track without waypoints over a route created from a track.

[Mo Re]

thanks for all the input.  I am going to try to run naother gpx track up through ct this weekend using osmand with turn by tuen.  I will add a waypoint at beginning and end with names then rout ot the start, then attempt to run the track with snap to street off and complete track off and see what it does.

If it doesn't work and I just have to follow the dot is there a way to keep it zoomed in scrolling in center of screen when just following a track manually?

tia

[Lennert Bakker]

Yes there is a setting for that

Op vrijdag 9 december 2016 04:03:49 UTC+1 schreef Mo Re: