Possible places to host the new server
robert....@gmail.com
So far we have a couple of options posted for the where to host new
server, the current list is posted on the OSG wiki:
http://openscenegraph.org/osgwiki/pmwiki.php/Tasks/Server
I have emailed OSUOSL on Sunday, and have got my automated "support
ticket" saying that they get back to me, but as yet not reply. I'll
provide details once they reply. Taken time to reply isn't an
encouraging sign though.
If you have a suggestion then please add it the wiki or just post it on
this thread.
Your experiences with different types of places for hosting would also
be useful.
Thanks,
Robert.
Robert Osfield
http://www.newmediahosting.net/mrtg/sw3/216.218.249.252_3.html
I looks too me that we are probably averaging around 400kbits/sec, which if my sums are right comes to about 134GB/month. Please feel free to correct me :)
The server does host other things other than just the OSG cvs, website and mailing list, but I'd expect the majority of it to be down to OSG related services.
This bandwidth amount looks to be comfortably below dreamhosts lowest level service.
I believe the website size is in 10's of GB.
Jose mentioned in another thread about not being able to important mailman archives into the new lists. This would be a disappointment. I guess we might be able to come up with another scheme that allows one to search the old archives and new archives from one point.
Thoughts?
Robert.
Chris Hanson
> I have just had a look at the bandwidth stats on the current server:
> http://www.newmediahosting.net/mrtg/sw3/216.218.249.252_3.html
> I looks too me that we are probably averaging around 400kbits/sec, which if
> my sums are right comes to about 134GB/month. Please feel free to correct
> me :)
I concur, roughly.
> The server does host other things other than just the OSG cvs, website and
> mailing list, but I'd expect the majority of it to be down to OSG related
> services.
> This bandwidth amount looks to be comfortably below dreamhosts lowest level
> service.
Yes.
> Jose mentioned in another thread about not being able to important mailman
> archives into the new lists. This would be a disappointment. I guess we
> might be able to come up with another scheme that allows one to search the
> old archives and new archives from one point.
My suggestion would be to consider archiving the mailinglist into a
web format that can then be delved with Google, and transferring to
Google Groups for future operation.
This still doesn't solve the issue of where the CVS/SVN is run from,
as Dreamhost cannot offer that, AFAIK.
The CVS traffic is probably the larger bandwidth consumer than the
web site I would expect?
> Thoughts?
> Robert.
Jose L. Hidalgo
On Nov 15, 1:50 pm, "Robert Osfield" <robert.osfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I looks too me that we are probably averaging around 400kbits/sec, which if
> my sums are right comes to about 134GB/month. Please feel free to correct
> me :)
One of the good things of Dreamhost is storage grows 1.0Gb per week and
transfer 16 GB per week. And you start with
200GB of storage and 2TB of bandwidth.
> Jose mentioned in another thread about not being able to important mailman
> archives into the new lists. This would be a disappointment. I guess we
> might be able to come up with another scheme that allows one to search the
> old archives and new archives from one point.
Let me contact support and ask for it, and see what they say.
Jose L.
Robert Osfield
I concur, roughly.
Ooo you agreeable brusier you ;-)
My suggestion would be to consider archiving the mailinglist into a
web format that can then be delved with Google, and transferring to
Google Groups for future operation.
Moving osg-crew to google groups is an experiment int this direction.
This still doesn't solve the issue of where the CVS/SVN is run from,
as Dreamhost cannot offer that, AFAIK.
I thought Dreamhost did support SVN, its on the list.
The CVS traffic is probably the larger bandwidth consumer than the
web site I would expect?
I wouldn't have a clue on the balance of bandwidth.
Robert.
Gordon Tomlinson
I'm certainly up for helping out with things like the Web Site, ftp, forum type stuff
G.
Email : gor...@gordon-tomlinson.com
YIM/AIM : Gordon3dBrit
MSN IM : Gordon...@3dscenegraph.com
Website : www.3dscenegraph.com
__________________________________________________________
"Self defence is not a function of learning tricks
but is a function of how quickly and intensely one
can arouse one's instinct for survival"
- Master Tambo Tetsura
Robert Osfield
A couple of useful developments to report:
Jose has set up access for me on his existing Dreamhost account we can
do a trial with. We can't exchange password etc. via osg-crew, so
we'll need to head offline to exchange the details and coordinate the
trials. Reporting back to osg-crew as things progress. Please raise
your hands if can help out through with these initial trials, and we
can then take access discussion offline.
Second up Ellery mentioned the server move to Mark Lucas and Garret
Potts of the OSSIM project, and I followed contacting them directly.
RemoteSensing.org and OSSIM are also looking for a new home, and SDSU
has been proposed as a host, and John Graham their contact at SDSU,
has given the thumbs up. So it looks like RemoveSensing, OSSIM and
OSG might be able to live side by side on the same server :-)
SDSU won't/can't charge for the hosting service, but are open to
donations of disk space and other server hardware. John has
volunteered to help set things up, although right now most of the
servers at fully utilised, and the best he provide access to is a
sparc. SDSU are expecting a batch of new intel based servers but John
doesn't know when these might arrive.
Does anyone here live near San Diago? I'm just thinking about
possibility of face to face meetings with John to help coordinate the
passing on of new hardware, getting things set up. I don't know yet
how this might work out in practice. It could be that I could just
purchase things online and get them sent care of John.
If I did this I'd need to spec up a server for the purpose. For this
I need the help of your guys ;-)
I'll need to take a close look at my cash flow over the next three
months so I can work out how much budget I can dedicate to a new
server. Christmas being a slow time for being payed by clients, but
an expensive time at home... Would $1000, $1500 or $2000 be required
to get a reasonable server?
Another possibility might be just purchasing the rest of the half
share of the existing server and sending it to SDSU. Up side is that
it should just be slotted into the rack space and turned on and
tweaked. The downside is the downtime and potential risk of damage in
transit. The server is now a few years old so will wearing out.
Perhaps the current server could be just a stop gap.
Thoughts?
Robert.
Jose L. Hidalgo
On Nov 16, 11:30 am, "Robert Osfield" <robert.osfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jose has set up access for me on his existing Dreamhost account we can
> do a trial with. We can't exchange password etc. via osg-crew, so
> we'll need to head offline to exchange the details and coordinate the
> trials. Reporting back to osg-crew as things progress. Please raise
> your hands if can help out through with these initial trials, and we
> can then take access discussion offline.
Fine with that. Migration should be easy, and as long as we don't have
more than a single shell account on a server, we can't do much more
than copy files and see if wiki works, run cvs2svn (we need to copy the
CVS
tree) and see if there is no problem.
That two things are straightforward so I can test them, with no
problems. If we find
something weird among the process we can start to claim for help :)
(remember that we are hosted in a shared server, so we can not think in
change apache config, or mysql server, etc... we only have a shell
account to work with)
Proven that we are able to migrate at least wiki and subversion, then
we need to test
speed.
About mailing list I've open a ticket in dreamhost support service, and
I'm waiting for the response.
About buying a new server, sorry I have no clue :P
Cheers,
Jose L.
Robert Osfield
On 11/16/06, Jose L. Hidalgo <joseLuis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fine with that. Migration should be easy, and as long as we don't have
> more than a single shell account on a server, we can't do much more
> than copy files and see if wiki works, run cvs2svn (we need to copy the
> CVS
> tree) and see if there is no problem.
I'll dig around in the server and bundle up the CVS repository.
I already have a local copy of the wiki, but it's been updated since I
last took it so I'll grab another copy. Are you happy setting up
PmWiki?
> Proven that we are able to migrate at least wiki and subversion, then
> we need to test
> speed.
Good plan.
> About mailing list I've open a ticket in dreamhost support service, and
> I'm waiting for the response.
Thanks,
Robert.
Jose L. Hidalgo
On Nov 16, 12:54 pm, "Robert Osfield" <robert.osfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll dig around in the server and bundle up the CVS repository.
Copy it into the home of the shell account, then we can try use cvs2svn
(I'm going to install it right now)
> I already have a local copy of the wiki, but it's been updated since I
> last took it so I'll grab another copy. Are you happy setting up
> PmWiki?
No problem, to import PmWiki seems that we only need to copy it into
the new location, upload the wiki, or just the main page and some parts
to test ( I don't know how big the wiki is ).
Please when create the tgz's use '-p' to preserve permissions, that
will probably save us a headache.
Robert Osfield
On 11/16/06, Jose L. Hidalgo <joseLuis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'll dig around in the server and bundle up the CVS repository.
I have now put together tarballs of CVS OpenThreads, Producer and
OpenSceneGraph, and a snapshot of the wiki from a few days ago. I
tried to upload them to the account you set up, but failed. Not sure
whats wrong, whether the account name or password I am trying to not
right.
Rather than guess I've uploaded these tarballs to:
http://openscenegraph.org/downloads/Server-snapshots/
Here you'll find:
[ ] cvs-OpenSceneGraph.tar.gz 16-Nov-2006 06:22 14M
[ ] cvs-OpenThreads.tar.gz 16-Nov-2006 06:22 45
[ ] cvs-Producer.tar.gz 16-Nov-2006 06:22 3.3M
[ ] osgwiki.tgz 16-Nov-2006 06:27 118M
Cheers,
Robert.
Jose L. Hidalgo
Solved the problem with the password and everything uploaded, how do
you what the subversion server ?
#1: one repository
/trunk/OpenSceneGraph/
/trunk/OpenThreads/
/trunk/Producer/
/tags/
/branches
#2: one repository but separated projects
/OpenSceneGraph/trunk
/OpenSceneGraph/tags/
/OpenSceneGraph/branches
/OpenThreads/trunk
/OpenThreads/tags
/OpenThreads/branches/
...
#3: three repositories
(rep1)
/OpenSceneGraph/trunk
/OpenSceneGraph/tags/
/OpenSceneGraph/branches
(rep2)
/OpenThreads/trunk
/OpenThreads/tags
/OpenThreads/branches/
(rep3)
....
I'm going to download locally the cvs repositories and run cvs2svn
here, then depending on the option I will do the same in the server to
test how it works.
Jose L.
On Nov 16, 3:37 pm, "Robert Osfield" <robert.osfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jose,
Jose L. Hidalgo
One thing working...
The cvs snapshot of OpenThreads can not size 45 bytes ! It's empty, can
you try upload a new one?
:)
Jose L.
On Nov 16, 3:37 pm, "Robert Osfield" <robert.osfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jose,
>
> On 11/16/06, Jose L. Hidalgo <joseLuis.Hida...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'll dig around in the server and bundle up the CVS repository.I have now put together tarballs of CVS OpenThreads, Producer and
Robert Osfield
On 11/16/06, Jose L. Hidalgo <joseLuis...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd be include to go for option #2.
However, I'm completely open to suggestions. I don't have svn
experience beyond checking out 3rd party projects.
My metrics for what to go for would be the ease of maintainace, and
ease of use for end users. Which ever delivers the best in these
respects I'd go for. I can't comment on pros and cons of each
options.
Thoughts everybody?
Robert.
Robert Osfield
On 11/16/06, Jose L. Hidalgo <joseLuis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The cvs snapshot of OpenThreads can not size 45 bytes ! It's empty, can
> you try upload a new one?
Oops tar'd up the old defuct OpenThreadsUpdate directory....
Now uploaded to osg.codemaniacs.com the proper one... hopefully :-)
Robert.
Jose L. Hidalgo
On Nov 16, 4:25 pm, "Jose L. Hidalgo" <joseLuis.Hida...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> http://www.openscenegraph.org/index.php?page=Main.HomePage
>
> One thing working...
False alarm.... Working on it... :)
mlucasOSSIM
bring to the forefront.
The SDSU telascience center would be a good potential candidate for
rehosting OSG. We have been in contact with John Graham and they have
offered to provide resources to support the efforts of:
OpenSceneGraph
RemoteSensing.org and
OSSIM.org
Very high bandwidth and lots of computational resources that are
devoted to open systems and supporting disaster and humanitarian
efforts. The OSSIM and OSGeo teams have been working with John for
some time and have good working relationships there. Wouldn't cost us
anything to run there and we could start out on one of the Solaris
Blades, but it would probably be a good idea to provide a server or
additional storage that could be dedicated to our use.
For ossim and remotesensing.org I'll start looking into svn and trac
migration, but obviously the critical path will be to provide a smooth
transition path for OSG. For some background here is some of the
previous discussion:
******************
Robert
We are allowed to do all things that are FREE and OPEN.. as long as
there is no commercial data or software being distributed we are good
The best thing for us would be if you spent some money on a server that
we put in our rack at SDSC... I have pretty much filled up all my
blades except for a couple Solaris 9 Sparc blades. We are expecting to
get a pile of new hardware from Intel but not sure of the timing.
We can get you rolling on a Sparc blade right now and giving access to
developers is no problem... I am trying to figure out mailman right now
on Fedora Core 4... Looks like it wants to be setup on my primary email
server or have a true sub-domain defined in my DNS !
If you want to spend your budget on hardware we are always needing more
disk space :)
We cant charge for hosting... but we do take hardware :)
John
I can help get things installed and configured
Robert Osfield wrote:
Hi Mark, John et. al,
Thankyou for the encouraging emails w.r.t potential hosting at SDSU.
What type of access could have on the servers? Could we set up svn,
mailman, wiki's, ftp etc? I'd need to pass on responsibility of set up
and administering the website and services to members of the
OpenSceneGraph community, would it be possible to have a set of
engineers ( i.e 2 or 3) have access.
I like the ideal of being hosted alongside like minded project like
OSSIM ;-)
What about costs? I have modest budget that would otherwise go to a
commercial service provider.
Best regards,
Robert.
On 11/15/06, *Mark Lucas* <mluc...@mac.com <mailto:mluc...@mac.com>>
wrote:
Robert, I pulsed John Graham at SDSU. They control lots of
hardware and
bandwidth and would host our respective sites there. They are
also managing a lot of open geospatial and disaster response
activities so it would be a good idea.
Like yourself, I'd like to move to svn and probably trac. One
option would be to pool our resources in getting the
infrrastructure establish and then migrating the sites there.
Mark
Begin forwarded message:
Mark
All Very Good :)
Mark Lucas wrote:
So what would be the chances/implications of moving
OSG/RemoteSensing/OSSIM to SDSU?
Mark
Hi Guys,
I understand that Ellery Chan will have already informed you
that the OpenSceneGraph website is now looking for a new home
and engineers to help run. I have put up a page on the wiki to
help coordinate this effort:
http://openscenegraph.org/osgwiki/pmwiki.php/Tasks/Server
We also now have an osg-crew mailing list dedicated to
volunteers who support the various aspects of running the
OpenSceneGraph project. You guys are welcome to join:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/osg-crew?hl=en
It looks like we have enough volunteers with sufficient skills
to now setup a new server and set migrating the current
services. We don't have a formal plan of action yet, or where
we will host yet. How we tackle things depends very much where
we host it and what facilities we will have as part of the service.
I'd very much appreciate your thoughts and suggestion on this
topics.
Cheers,
Robert.
Chris Hanson
> Robert.
Apparently you're right:
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Subversion
I wasn't aware of that, but it's a good deal, if it works.
That would only leave the disposition of the mailing lists, which
I've already commented on.
I can create a Dreamhost referral code for OSG to use, that should
give you the maximum benefit/rebate. Let me know if/when a decision is
made and I'll set it up.
Chris Hanson
Buy out Don's portion of the server and move it to SDSU. You'll
probably need to relocate the OpenSceneGraph.com to somewhere else to
comply with their non-commercial policies, but that shouldn't be hard.
This is probably not the best server hardware but it has the upside of
being already running. The SDSU deal sounds great. I would not be too
worried about transit damage. It could probably even be sent from SF to
SD by local courier. Someone in CA would have to look for a regional
courier service, but that would be the best for protecting it in
transit.
Failing that, move the mailing list to GoogleGroups, and the Web/SVN
to Dreamhost.
Robert Osfield
On 11/16/06, Chris Hanson <xenonof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My recommendations would be:
>
> Buy out Don's portion of the server and move it to SDSU.
This depends on what Don wants to do with the server. His preference
was for us to have a new server. Don built the server, if we take it,
he'll be left empty handed. Although he might enjoy doing a rebuild
from scratch using latest hardware...
> You'll
> probably need to relocate the OpenSceneGraph.com to somewhere else to
> comply with their non-commercial policies, but that shouldn't be hard.
Dreamhost looks like a reasonable place for openscenegraph.com and
associated professional mailing lists. Potentially it could be used
as mirror/back up on the SDSU based one.
> This is probably not the best server hardware but it has the upside of
> being already running. The SDSU deal sounds great. I would not be too
> worried about transit damage. It could probably even be sent from SF to
> SD by local courier. Someone in CA would have to look for a regional
> courier service, but that would be the best for protecting it in
> transit.
When you say regional courier service, do mean something different
from the likes of DHL?
> Failing that, move the mailing list to GoogleGroups, and the Web/SVN
> to Dreamhost.
I had one report from a user who tried to subscribe to the osg-crew
but googlegroups wouldn't accept his password. I don't know if this
is an isolated incident, the fact that googlegroups still claims to be
beta or what.
Going with googlegroups would mean we'd need to keep the existing
mailing lists archives searchable using a seperate mechansim.
Robert.
Jose L. Hidalgo
My university can offer one of this two servers. No need to say
that the university (www.upv.es) has enough space, and bandwidth...
option #1
- AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ a 2,2 Ghz and 2Gb of RAM
- ATA RAID bus controller: Adaptec AAC-RAID (rev 01) with 4 twin hard
drives (500 Gb) in mirror mode, with hotplug, SMART, ....
- 2 gigabit ethernet interfaces
- We have here Debian with : Apache 2.0, PHP 5.0, Tomcat 5.5 / J2EE
1.4, PostgreSQL 8 + MySQL 5, dotProject 2.0.2, Subversion 1.4, Samba,
ProFTPD, Continuum, Gcc, java, ....
option #2
- Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz HT and 2Gb of RAM
- RAID with 2 hard drives (200GB) in mirror, with SMART.
- 1 gigabit ethernet
- Ubuntu Dapper, with the same services as #1 (more updated) and with
Trac and Tracking Mantis.
We have also, a CAVE system with 16 intanium2 processors, and we use it
to make compilations tasks.
This is what we have now, but we are going to update the servers and
hire an administrator dedicated only to give support for the projects
hosted in our servers.
I will suggest to use #2 by the moment, because is more updated, is
enough for OSG and we have TRAC !!!
Cheers,
Jose L.
Chris Hanson
wrote:
> My university can offer one of this two servers. No need to say
> that the university (www.upv.es) has enough space, and bandwidth...
> - Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz HT and 2Gb of RAM
> - RAID with 2 hard drives (200GB) in mirror, with SMART.
> - 1 gigabit ethernet
> - Ubuntu Dapper, with the same services as #1 (more updated) and with
> Trac and Tracking Mantis.
> I will suggest to use #2 by the moment, because is more updated, is
> enough for OSG and we have TRAC !!!
> Cheers,
> Jose L.
This too, sounds attractive, though being on the same site (SDSU) as
RemoteSensing.org seems to have some promise. A lot of OSG's bandwidth
is probably consumed within the US, and having the server close to the
American backbone would make sense.
Robert, Don's recent e-mails seem to indicate that he is not
considering a change in ownership of the existing server. How much did
the OSG project pay for the server? How much do you pay monthly for the
operation of that server?
I think we need to decide if we should buy a new server and send it
to SDSU, or move to Dreamhost. SDSU seems like a better option, but
more work. I could find a good 2U rack server for under $1000, no
problem.
On the low end, a 2.4GHz 512Mb RAM 80Gb HD 1U rack unit for $499,
with no OS:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2224195&CatId=330
If you wanted more RAM and HD, you could buy this $369 model with no
RAM or HD:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=35622&CatId=0
and put in a 250Gb ATA drive for $40:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2143105&sku=THD-250A2
or 500Gb for $195:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1723262&sku=THD-500A
or 750Gb for $380:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2203982&sku=TSD-750AS
plus 1Gb of RAM for $85:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1071020&Sku=ULT31664
You could throw together a decent modern server for $500 - $835
depending on how much storage you want. We'd need someone to install
the parts and the OS. I am capable of it, but my time is very limited
right now.
There's lots more reasonably priced rack systems here:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Recs=10&Nav=|c:330|&Sort=4
and from countless other vendors.
Jose L. Hidalgo
On Nov 17, 7:07 pm, "Chris Hanson" <xenonofarcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jose L. This too, sounds attractive, though being on the same site (SDSU) as
> RemoteSensing.org seems to have some promise. A lot of OSG's bandwidth
> is probably consumed within the US, and having the server close to the
> American backbone would make sense.
The University, like most in spain, is connected to RedIRIS or is part
of RedIRIS, and basically this is the core of all
Internet in Spain, this is really one of the highest bandwidth one can
use in Europe. I'm pretty sure that will be more than enough.
But we can try to test it next week, and see how it behaves.
I forgot to comment that the University will host OpenSceneGraph for
free, and it is constantly updating the machines, moreover we are
talking about the possibility to put the server in the University's
data center which will be even better and will give a better bandwidth
:) [ don't know when... ]
Cheers,
Jose L.
Chris Hanson
before: 3DNDHMAX
Normally, I get a $97 referral fee when I sign up a new DH customer.
This code rebates the maximum amount possible ($97) to the customer,
which is a good deal. There are some other plans where DH doesn't
permit the full amount to be rebated back, but I don't think any of
them apply.
Full Disclosure: If anyone wants to sign up with DH themselves, you're
welcome to use this code too, it's not like it's specific to OSG.
Because I'm rebating all of the referral fee, I don't get anything out
of the deal. I think I might earn $5 if you sign up and then refer
someone yourself though.
Robert Osfield
On 11/17/06, Chris Hanson <xenonof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This too, sounds attractive, though being on the same site (SDSU) as
> RemoteSensing.org seems to have some promise. A lot of OSG's bandwidth
> is probably consumed within the US, and having the server close to the
> American backbone would make sense.
I do like the idea of being sat alongside RemoteSensing.org.
However, its also good be hosted by a department which use OSG
heavily.
I don't know about a particular value of being based in the US though,
its not as if we are streaming imagery for googleearth, we are only
talking about a project website, mailing list and svn, it shouldn't
push any bandwidth limits. Also I don't have any evidence on OSG
usage being dominated by America, its pretty multi-national as far as
I can tell ;-)
Have a look what google trends thinks:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=OpenSceneGraph
As a percentage of searches the US doesn't even come in the top 10...
> Robert, Don's recent e-mails seem to indicate that he is not
> considering a change in ownership of the existing server. How much did
> the OSG project pay for the server? How much do you pay monthly for the
> operation of that server?
I can't recall the figures now, I have asked Don for current cost but
he hasn't supplied them yet. I recall its somewhere in the $40-80
bracket.
> I think we need to decide if we should buy a new server and send it
> to SDSU, or move to Dreamhost. SDSU seems like a better option, but
> more work. I could find a good 2U rack server for under $1000, no
> problem.
I think we have two good alternatives to Dreamhost now. I'll most
likely be putting openscenegraph.com up at Dreamhost,
openscenegraph.org to live at SDSU or UPV, or perhaps mirrored between
the two!
> On the low end, a 2.4GHz 512Mb RAM 80Gb HD 1U rack unit for $499,
> with no OS:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2224195&CatId=330
>
> If you wanted more RAM and HD, you could buy this $369 model with no
> RAM or HD:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=35622&CatId=0
>
> and put in a 250Gb ATA drive for $40:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2143105&sku=THD-250A2
> or 500Gb for $195:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1723262&sku=THD-500A
> or 750Gb for $380:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2203982&sku=TSD-750AS
>
> plus 1Gb of RAM for $85:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1071020&Sku=ULT31664
>
> You could throw together a decent modern server for $500 - $835
> depending on how much storage you want. We'd need someone to install
> the parts and the OS. I am capable of it, but my time is very limited
> right now.
Diamond geezer! As they say in London :-)
Its a compliment, thanks for looking up server costing. All look well
within what I can put aside for it, I was kinda expecting $1000+.
Cheers
Robert.
Robert Osfield
I have just heard back from OSUOSL, and the news is that they are
swamped right now so can't take on any other hosting for a few months.
Kinda now how they feel :)
Robert.