Dr. B.R. Ambedkar did a very very bad job and yet I see lot of people admire him

[Manoj Padhi]

Dear Mr. Nandkishor:

I am not questioning what he did for Dalits.. Even without reading about him - I can understand that. 

I have raised a specific issue - putting myself in his place.

If I were given that job in 1947, I would n't have blindly copying British System with minor or cosmetic modification. I would have compared the US system Vs British system and opted for US model of democracy.

So, I doubt his IQ now and trying to explore on this specific aspect. 

Reason: The whole country got screwed up at political model. IAS /IPS model too is not working. 90% of Hindu income from Tirupati temple worth 3000 crore - a pure Hindu income, which should have used to educate Hindus against caste system - is going to State Treasury where as - they can't touch any Muslim or Christian money..

So, Let me ask readers - what is there to difficult to understand ?

This is a clear cut case of  "not applying mind" to adopt the best democratic available in the world in 1947.

Although the blame should go to all committee members who drafted the Constitution of India, as Chairman of that committee -  Baba Saheb need to be blamed for that, unless some one can show us his "home work" - why he thought American system was bad ?

If I were Baba Saheb - I would have rejected the British model parliamentary democracy - which even forced a coalition model in Britain due to which our Dr. Manmohan Singh let Raja loot ..

Mr. Professor: if possible spend some time in research and get back to us. Our generation has got every right to question the wisdom of previous generation, specifically when we are in a screwed up state for that reason, under a dynasty rule, as explained in previous mail.

I am not questioning what he did for Dalit community ? Just because of his good work for Dalit community, he won't be given a free pass. If you are going to the seminar - discuss this. This need to be researched in stead of routine - Wah.. wah.. for his good work for Dalit community..

Thanks

Manoj Padhi

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:47 AM, nand kishore more <nkmor...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Padhi   To understand what Dr Ambedkar did is beyond your mental capabilities. Please  seek advise from more learned one to understand him.   More Nandkishor Associate Professor BBAU,Lucknow-25 --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Manoj Padhi <manoj...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Manoj Padhi <manoj...@gmail.com> Subject: National Forum | Dr. B.R. Ambedkar did a very very bad job and yet I see lot of people admire them.. To: Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:55 PM   On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Manoj Padhi <manoj...@gmail.com> wrote: Dr. B.R. Ambedkar did a very very bad job and yet I see lot of people admire them.. So thought to raise a question, which has been pondering in my mind.. He has given us a constitution, which favors corruption. allows dynasty rule. awards tickets to sycophants in the absence of Primaries and caucuses, like USA. He has given us a multi-party system, where common man like you and me can't afford to contest an election or even seek a party nomination. There is no party democracy or Number-2 in BJD (Naveen), RJD (Lalu), SP (Mulayam), LJP (Paswan), BSP (Mayawati), Chautala .. list is long.. Indirect election to US senate was stopped in 1910's and yet Dr. Ambedkar allowed indirect election to Rajya Sabha where, Dr. Manmohan Singh, Ram Jethmalani, Balbir Punj, Hemamalini can get elected and won't do any thing for the state. Smaller states don't have equal say and hence big coalition partners are getting more development projects.. So, where was his research about Pros and Cons of US constitution vis-a-vis the  British unwritten constitution ? As chairman of the constitutional committee, He did a very very bad and vision less job and if you are involved in research - dare to show us - how we have ended up in this banana republic ? I held him 100% accountable for the current mess - a system where citizens are helpless and no checks and balances like United States constitution.  -Manoj Padhi Request to members to re-circulate On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:51 AM, ravindragadkar <ravindr...@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear friends,   Greetings from the Centre for Ambedkar Studies Research!   On behalf of the Centre and the University Ifeel previleged to invite you to the National conference on "Amalgamation of Dr. B.R.Ambedkar's Vision and Mission in Higher Education -Present Status and Futre Strategies" to be held on 25th and 26th March 2011 in the University. I therefore request you to kindly contribute a paper on any theme of your interest and take active part in evolving a vision and mission document for the coming years. Themes: 1.Ambedkar and Higher education 2.Vision of universites on Ambedkar 3.Mission of Universities on Ambedkar-Programmes and activites 4.Ambedkar's vision and mission  and Instituional arrangement at higher eduation 5.Collaboration and association 6.Futre Vision and Mission TA will be paid as per university.  However Directors/Professors of Ambedkar Centres/Chairs and Social Exclusion and Inclusion are requested to claim from their reapective organizations. With warm regards looking forward to your early positive response,   Sincerely,   Dr. Ravindra D.Gadkar Director-cum-Professor Dr. B.R. Ambedkar Centre for Studies and Research, Kuvempu University, Shankarghatta, Shimoga(Karnataka) Mobile: 9379792202 Website www.kuvempu.ac.in       __,_._,___

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[Jibanendra Mahanty]

Even there are flaws in the reservation policies for SC and ST.
 
Can the tribal from Koraput or Kandhmal  compete with Meenas of  Jaipur, Dausa and Bharatpur to get the opportunity through the so called Quota system ?? For more info please check the  Lists of successful Candidates of Civil Services,  Railway services, Banking Services, etc to appreciate that the very objective in providing reservation has been defeated as a Tribal Candidate from KBK just cannot compete with economically better off  Meenas from the above noted districts of Rajasthan. Even Meenas of Bhilwara district of Rajasthan cannot compete with Meenas of Jaipur, as they belong to different economic  rungs of the Society.
 
Can the Scheduled Caste Candidate from Odisha compete with  Sahas, Biswas, Bardhans, Halders, Mandals,  etc of West Bengal ??
 
There are flaws in the Civil Laws too. For National integration and unity  all Citizens should have been bound by a Common Civil Law irrespective of caste/creed and religions.
 
To me it appears that the so called Architects of our Constitution had good faith in the "Divide and Rule policy" of the Colonial regime.
 
The above noted points are some of the examples of the  flaws.
 
J.N.Mahanty
 

 

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Subject: OTN: Dr. B.R. Ambedkar did a very very bad job and yet I see lot of people admire him
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Let us not forget that todays USA is different from 1940s USA. At that time UK democracy was the beacon of the world. Few countries wanted US democracy because it was crumbling through crisis: internal strifes because of bigotry and discrimination, and burning and looting due to malcontent, wars all over. Internment of Chinese and Japanese immigrants. No one liked the fact the President is not answerable to any one. The White house did not have a formal press core until after Trueman. So no one was there to question the President. So the president was like a dictator. The saving grace was division of power, so congress can put a brake temporarily.
Even when I came in 1965 still USA was burning.
SO INDIA DEVELOPED THE BEST AND NEWEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT AVAILABLE AT THE TIME.
If Indian people were as democratic as its constitution even today India will be an example for the world in democracy. So the problem of India is not its democracy or even its Government. The problem of India are its people, especially us the Hindus. No matter how cruel, Muslims practice their religion, so do Christians and Jews. But we hindus preach one thing and practice another thing. We have volumes of vedas, Gitas and what not? But they are only to read in the morning and evening and to preach others. When it comes to democracy, every common Indian is undemocratic as we can find any where in the World.
Subhas Mohapatra

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Subject: OTN: Dr. B.R. Ambedkar did a very very bad job and yet I see lot of people admire him

[Biraja Mahapatra]

Dear Manoj babu,

Please take some time to read the Indian Constitution if you have not read it.

I am sure a person of your caliber will like it.  It not only reads well, it will give you an impression that actually it has not been copied blindly from any other constitution.

 If the law makers have taken the best experience of others while preparing a document for administration, we cannot say they wronged. 

In fact when we are preparing a bye-law for any NGO, we also refer to many bye-laws and find out in them what are relevant to us and what are not.

Indian constitution has been constantly evolving and apart from parliament, supreme court and high courts have been contributing to its health for the last 60 years. 

Almost every day this book is being put to test to ensure fundamental rights and liberty of individuals and thousands of lawyers, judges and lawmakers are relentlessly working on it. Therefore our constitution is amended time and again.

 This flexibility without affecting the very core values of the constitution is one of the finest aspect of the Indian constitution that no other constitution in the world has.

The questions you are raising are not the constitutional issues, these are issues of individual inefficiencies which essentially reflect public character that we have.

with regards

Biraja Mahapatra

[Manoj Padhi]

Dear Biraja babu:
I am seeing the American democracy in action.
The fundamental differences between American and Indian constitution which could have profound impact upon our democracy are:

1. MPs are kept away from ministerial aspirations . MPs job is law making - if they want to become minister (=secretary), they have to quit that job and some one becomes MP/Senator etc. They have to defend their vote in next election. They can vote independently, not necessarily with party line because they are going back to people.

2. Their Senate is our Rajya Sabha - each state sends two senators and they were indirectly picked up until 1914, like our Rajya Sabha. Then they amended constitution to send them directly. They must be residing in that state.
      Also, this gives equitable representation to even smaller states like Alaska.
     This way Lalu, Mamta, Karunanidhi wouldn't be getting major projects for their states.

3. The party nominations for MLA/MPs (Congressmen /Senators) are not decided by Party President based on service to the party or sycophancy. They have to be decided by again people using two democratic  processes - Primary (all voters) and Caucuses(only with in party).

4. Absolutely  stunning checks and balances between Executive and Legislature.

5. Balbir Punj is our Rajya Sabha MP. Drawing salary for what doing nothing ? So is the case of Ram Jethmalani, Manmohan SIngh, Hemamalini. Our previous Rajya Sabha MP was caught taking bribe for asking question.

6. They don't shy away from media - they must explain their action. Compare that to Odisha CM - How many press conferences he does in a month or even a year ?

There are many - but had the above top 5 points been added to ours, we would not be in the road to a Banana republic.

No matter how good our constitution you claim - when people like us have serious disadvantages in seeking major party nominations and we are left with people, who join public service to loot - the only hope are PILs and Supreme Court. Even PM selects a corrupt CVC which is against the spirit of that post. PM is still sitting after causing such huge loss citing coalition Dharma, which is unthinkable in United States.

We are left with "Hope" .. someday things will be okay when good people will join politics.. But, I don't think that is going to happen in our lifetime.

Thanks
Manoj Padhi

Dear Subhas babu:
Correct me if I am wrong..
All the above were present in 1947 and had they just compared and reviewed once the rationale behind these decisions, they must have included these 5 criteria.



 

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